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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 14, 2014, 06:07:29 pm »
Sending positive imagery of black people to Marvel will get THEM used to seeing positive images if black people, and if THEY continue seeing positive images of black people on a CONTINUOUS basis, then HOPEFULLY change will come for the better for all non-white readers, because hopefully Marvel will get the hint and start portraying ALL non-white fictional characters in the same way that they feature the majority of their white fictional characters...IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

Much respect...but I think Marvel would respond more favorably to their black fans if instead of sending them a steady flow of positive images of blacks, we black fans rewarded any positive change in the portrayal of black characters and characters of color with our greenbacks.

I believe we had the best chance to do this by supporting Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER with Storm as Queen of Wakanda.

We see how that turned out.

That's what happens when you have a bunch of Benedict Arnold's masquerade as BP fans.

Exactly so. Whether knowingly or not, the nattering, impatient, sometimes zealous and seemingly jealous, resentful nature used by some BP fans in presenting their dissenting positions concerning story concepts and character depiction  did more to sap and frustrate any momentum gained by T'Challa (and T'Challa with Ororo), than did the most fervent poison efforts by those dedicated to the failure of the Black Panther or Black Panther with Storm because they disliked T'Challa or the T'Challa/Ororo pairing. Those "Benedict Arnolds" did more than lend aid and comfort to the opposition; they were the vanguard of their cause.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 13, 2014, 01:20:25 pm »
Sending positive imagery of black people to Marvel will get THEM used to seeing positive images if black people, and if THEY continue seeing positive images of black people on a CONTINUOUS basis, then HOPEFULLY change will come for the better for all non-white readers, because hopefully Marvel will get the hint and start portraying ALL non-white fictional characters in the same way that they feature the majority of their white fictional characters...IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

Much respect...but I think Marvel would respond more favorably to their black fans if instead of sending them a steady flow of positive images of blacks, we black fans rewarded any positive change in the portrayal of black characters and characters of color with our greenbacks.

I believe we had the best chance to do this by supporting Hudlin's BLACK PANTHER with Storm as Queen of Wakanda.

We see how that turned out.


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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 12, 2014, 06:27:29 pm »
Instead of continuously posting images of Storm getting bashed in the face with Valkyrie's hammer and continuously posting negative images of Storm that we can just about all AGREE ON that these were not good looks for her character, can we PLEASE START POSTING POSITIVE IMAGES OF STORM?

In this topic alone I've seen two flattering/positive images of Storm; one included in a post by Marvelous, the other in a post by Apexabyss. Then there are the unlettered page preview for the ongoing featuring Ororo dispatching a cadre of armed men with frightfully-impressive ease. This last may get at the conundrum which gives rise to your observation: the Black Panther fan base is slowly but surely becoming just like the many Storm fans who dislike Black Panther, only a lot of the Black Panther fan base seems to dislike Storm because of stuff that past WRITERS and EDITORS did, and not because of something that the CHARACTERS actually did themselves, as though they are real people in real life. This statement is part fallacy and part fact.

Speaking for myself and from what I've observed: "...the Black Panther fan base is slowly but surely becoming just like the many Storm fans who dislike Black Panther..." I respectfully disagree. From a character's standpoint - general appearance, powerset and potential - I would feel confident in saying Storm is favorably regarded by the HEF. "..., only a lot of the Black Panther fan base seems to dislike Storm because of stuff that past WRITERS and EDITORS did,..." Yes and ...not yes  :) I think that when some of us have posted something suggesting that Ororo was a "nut bucket", or seeming to ridicule her by name for sitting in the little chair beside the large, imposing desk of authority where Wolverine was sitting, we weren't showing a dislike for Storm or blaming her directly for beginning sexual relations with Logan almost immediately after her annulled MARRIAGE or for showing something of a subservience by sitting in the small chair rather than the big desk. Referring to Ororo as if she were entirely to blame for this foolishness was something like a "shorthand method" of saying what we really thought and what comprises the "yes" portion of your statement. We weren't blaming Storm. She's a fictional comicbook character who exists because writers, editors, and illustrators bring her to life. We are therefore, blaming the writers, editors, and illustrators for the things we dislike in their depiction of Storm's character.

So, to the conundrum I mentioned earlier. There are those who looking at how easily Storm dispatched that armed force confronting her in the preview pages would regard those images as powerful and positive images of Storm's character. Then there are those of US who see this confrontation as a continuation of the x-writer's preference where Storm's interaction with black people - and black males in particular - is concerned. One person's treasured positive image of Ororo in action is another person's trashy negative image of white writer's depicting Ororo beating the hell out of black men yet another time.

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The continuous posting of negative images just reinforces everything we see as wrong with the X-Office,

Yes it does, and quite nicely too.

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but the more these negative images are continuously posted, the more negativity they will create,


I wouldn't put it past a smarty-pants writer who might happen to look in on the HEF from time to time and who upon viewing any negative image and accompanying derisive commentary to decide to troll us a bit by injecting more of the very type of activity we find distasteful into his/her stories. How many heterosexual black male mutants survive in the x-verse? How many of those enjoy exposure or a relationship with a female? How many bisexual or heterosexual black males have we seen in the x-verse while black female mutants like Joanna Cargill and Monet St Croix crave the attention of white male mutants? Do you remember what happened between Quentin Quire and the black male mutant "Slick"? Do you remember what "Slick's" girlfriend's reaction was after that incident?


Now, is it really fair to ask us to play nice with people who want to play us?





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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 12, 2014, 06:32:07 am »
Whatever Pak does? It's gonna be waaayyy better than what Storm's gotten from the X-Office lo these many decades. Better than Storm got from anyone NOT named CJP, RH, or McDuffie, Yost, or Aaron during SEE WAKANDA AND DIE.

If this "Pak" comes through for Storm, he does right by Storm by doing the right thing with his write thing, and he somehow propels her above and beyond where she has languished for decades there won't be any sour grapes from this quarter. I would love to see an Ororo Munroe/Storm character created who has an appeal not simply to her core(cuckoo), audience but to the entire comicbook fandom. It would be fantastic to see Storm written and illustrated such that she grabs the attention of the casual comicbook fan, the purchases swell and
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Storm=First Black Female Solo Comic Book Lead for the Big Two since...what? Monica Rambeau's miniseries or whatever?
enjoys a long, successful run.

Those of us who offer criticisms of her past portrayals and cautionary comments of what we could get from this new ongoing aren't doing so to sabotage the ridiculous book promotion campaign by Storm's "fans"(enablers). If people are going to read the book, they will read the book and good luck to them  :) Those of us expressing doubts do so on the strength of decades of a depiction of Storm which while it might keep some happy - that group of RoLo/mohawk haircut-loving/fake-fierce-one-minute-flirtatious-floozy-the-next group of enablers- has truly disgusted many of us who know that beneath all of that mutant madness and the x-crement she's had dumped on her, there is a gem of a character who if someone - like this "Pak" - does not act quickly, will find its fruition not in Ororo where it deserves to be, but in a character like Ororo...one likely to be of another race and ethnicity. When we criticize Storm's past and express caution about Storm's future we're being pragmatic.

I'm rooting for Storm to succeed. But in some Storm ongoing support posts I read it's like hopeful farmers wanting to get into the chicken egg business who are not only counting the eggs before they've hatched, but counting those eggs before they have any chickens in the coop. The chickens haven't arrived yet. I would hate to see the looks on those would-be chicken farmers' faces who've counted up all the eggs their chickens will hatch when the shipment arrives and they discover that instead of uncrating all the chickens there are iguanas in the crates instead.

...ya know?  ;)



 

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Black Panther / Re: Let's play matchmaker for T'Challa
« on: July 11, 2014, 05:09:01 pm »
Bit apprehensive of the idea, to be honest. Have a sick feeling that if T'Challa is the father, there's the strong possibility that he'll be portrayed as having been a deadbeat dad.

If the father was weasel man he'd likely be portrayed and regaled as "Da Man!"  If T'Challa is the father he would be depicted and reviled as a "deadbeat". That noxious concoction is the formula for selling comicbooks to the asses...er, ummm...to the masses. I meant to say to the masses.

I now kinda wish they'd would have hooked Storm up with Spider Man.

Just because it would have been the same sh*tstorm in reverse.

Only difference is if you put Spidey on the cover of an Xbook sales go up.

I keep trying to put this puppy into reverse but I just can't see it...I'm embarrassed to say.

Are you suggesting that Spider Man fans would see Storm as not being good enough for Spider Man?

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 11, 2014, 03:23:04 pm »






Of course, the average X-Koolaid drinker will tell you that the above depicted beatdown that Storm recieved from Valkyrie in't canon even though it's pretty damn obvious that it is.


Her face smashed into the ground, butt up in the air, there's the majestic mutant Storm in the classic cartoon depiction of someone who has been knocked the funk out. Valkyrie bashed Storm's brains out of her head. The beating he took from Iron Fist left T'Challa with a brain aneurysm. Ororo took a terrific wallop to her headquarters from a mallet fully matching the girth and likely exceeding the weight of the torsos of Valkyrie and Ororo. It's as if Storm had been hit in the head with a keg of beer mounted on a club.

The blood blasted from her nose and mouth was more than might be seen in some who have sustained a gunshot wound. Her face should have swollen to the size of a beach ball, but there she was...knocked the funk out, butt up in the air but face as beautiful as ever. Apparently, the writer and artist who depicted Ororo so disgracefully deigned to show her some small degree of dignity.

When Thor kissed Ororo into unconsciousness in the CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS miniseries, small hearts shot from her head as she swooned. In this instance, once Ororo awakened on the beach it would have been fitting to have her eyes spinning in their sockets counter to each other, small canary birds tweeting and circling her head and Ororo reciting her own version of the child's Halloween ditty "Trick or Treat".   "We're elite. Smell my feet. Give me someting sweet to eat."

But this "Pak" is going to make Storm into Marvel Comics' equivalent to Superman.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 11, 2014, 09:02:56 am »
Now Greg Pak has put himself in a scenario that he cannot achieve nor accomplish. You cannot just flat out say that a character for over 30 years of writing is suddenly the "superman" of marvel. How can the person be if she isnt even among the leaders of the x-men?

Ororo is going to be the Superman, Modesty Blaise with a little Adam Warlock thrown in for good measure. This idiotic "Creep" character to be introduced in the ongoing looks to be a setup for Storm's version of Pip the Troll....since her Logan the Troll is otherwise engaged at the moment. The first issue has yet to hit the stands and already Ororo is expected to see some of the same ol', same ol' albatross characters weighing her down as an X-Man and not only that, she's already been saddled with a waste of page space character called "Creep" of all things.

I sure hope "Creep" isn't a heterosexual goofy black male. If so, I'll be creeping away from the Storm ongoing with the quickness.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 10, 2014, 07:42:48 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Damn...

That is hilarious.

Poor Ororo. Poor, poor, poor Ororo.

Why do those who do so, write her to be so incredibly stupid at times?

Ohhhhhhhh she's talking big game. Big, big game.

"We're the X-Men, Sabra. We are some of the most powerful beings to ever exist. We are elite."

Elite, my ass-troturf.

Ororo is so elite that she needed help fighting Dracula. She was bested by Thor - an Avenger - by being kissed into unconsciousness  ;D ;D ;D Her "power" wasn't squat v.s. Thor's smooching skills. Valkyrie isn't a goddess. She's a Defender...or ex-Defender. She's an ex-Defender with a really, really, really huge hammer with which Ororo is very well acquainted.

Getouttahere with all that "we are elite" noise and get back to crying about how hard it is to be a mutant  ;D


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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 10, 2014, 05:14:26 pm »
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The longer this debate goes on, the more certain I am that it was probably a mistake to give Storm a solo series in the first place.

Batman's parents were killed by criminals, so Batman goes after crime and criminals.

Captain America was created to fight the Nazis, so that is why he goes after enemies of freedom.

Green Lantern got his alien space cop ring from an alien space cop so's he could take his place as an alien space cop.

But Storm was living on a moutaintop in Kenya when some bald dude (how did the Professor get his wheelchair up there anyway?) asked her to join his strike force and she actually joined him instead of laughing his face like a reasonable person would have done.

Ororo Munroe wasn't born fully-grown, complete with powers over which she had supreme command, and content to live on a mountaintop in Kenya. What about the plane crash into her family's apartment which killed her parents leaving Ororo orphaned, homeless, and claustrophobic? At least Batman/Bruce Wayne had Alfred and his murdered parent's billions. Ororo had nothing but a master thief to steward her through a traumatic childhood into her teenage years and a hard road to hoe. Talk about Hard Knock Life.

As a child, she had to resort to thievery to survive.  As a teenager, Ororo was attacked by a pervert and nearly raped. She had to kill the beast in the defense of her virtue...and her life. Was Batman, Captain America, or Hal Jordan ever in a snap kill or be killed situation where they actually had to take the life of another living being through an intimate and deadly act of violence? Compared to what Ororo has faced up to this point, Bruce Wayne, Steve Rogers, and Hal Jordan come off as wimps, as wusses. Alfred was brewing tea and drawing baths for Batman. Ororo was a homeless teenager who had to stab a scumbag to death to ensure she'd mature into womanhood...and to make her way to that mountaintop in Kenya to wait on that bald dude.

Before she'd make it to that mountaintop, she'd meet an African Prince whom she had to rescue from assailants. A romance would develop, but because the young Prince was duty-bound to become King of his fabulous homeland and avenge his father's murder, the romance would be brief and Ororo would be alone once more, discovering her powers and in using them to alleviate the suffering of her fellow humans, she would become misunderstood and worshipped as a goddess. How did Xavier get his wheelchair up that mountain, you ask. How did Ororo educate herself. There's the truly remarkable feat. Prof X probably got his chair up that mountain the old-fashioned way. He thunk his way up that-there mountain and there he was, up that-there mountain.


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Without a premise for adventure baked into the character's backstory the writer will be forced to resort to write Storm stories as solo Xmen ("Storm has to fight Mr. Sinister! Without the Xmen!! BY HERSELF!!!") or the Storm goes back to Africa("Storm returns to Africa to bring a vicious Warlord to justice!" stuff that so many resent.

Ororo has an amazing backstory. It's simply been overshadowed by the goofy, gawd-awful goo her adoring fans lovingly refer to as being an X-Man. This ongoing could be Storm's one chance to distance herself from those other nasty mutants....but I for one, wouldn't bet the farm on it; that is if I owned a farm. Prof X lied to Ororo, to Peter Rasputin, probably to weasel man (he didn't have to lie to Kurt Wagner as Nightcrawler was running for his life and probably grateful to Prof X for pulling his butt out of the fire), to get them to be his "New X-Men". Prof X used the worst sort of headgame on John Proudstar to coerce him into joining his new team. He wanted to use them to rescue his original X-Men from peril.


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O.K I guess there's the third option of making her Captain Planet with boobs where she flies around the world beating up polluters ("Roxxon/British Petrolium! face the wrath of Storm!").

At least option 1 involves stories that the Xfandom might care about. The others don't even offer that.

I can't be mad at Pak. What the hell can he or anybody else do with Storm given the character's limitations?

And now we have people swearing up and down that she is too powerful to be doing any of that stuff.

Which doesn't make her any more interesting, by the way.

At least if Storm was depowered her solo book could be a Modesty Blaise ripoff that would work as a companion piece with Marvel's other Modesty Blaise ripoff book, Black Widow.

And since that Black Widow book is actually REALLY GOOD (reformed amoral spy now uses her amoral spy tactics to do good deeds-see how actually having a premise works?) being in the same class could only help.

In the book's defense, Storm does have a name writer and a great artist that I've never heard of.

Maybe that will be enough.
My prediction is that this "Pak" will set Storm on a course which she would have traversed with her ex-husband T'Challa as Queen of Wakanda had Hudlin been allowed to work without being accosted by the LCBRD lunatic fringe. That bunch might have wanted Storm to be a significant mutant, but not the most important mutant in the world by virtue of being Queen of a mighty nation of negroes. Storm can be an important mutant...just not the most important mutant. She'd be intruding on weasel man's turf if that were the case. So my guess is that Storm - needing help to topple corrupt governments, combat natural disasters; etc... - will need help from mutants she already knows and will probably meet (and flirt with), a flatscan male of Asian or Caucasian extraction.

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Black Panther / Re: Let's play matchmaker for T'Challa
« on: July 09, 2014, 03:15:11 pm »
Bit apprehensive of the idea, to be honest. Have a sick feeling that if T'Challa is the father, there's the strong possibility that he'll be portrayed as having been a deadbeat dad.

If the father was weasel man he'd likely be portrayed and regaled as "Da Man!"  If T'Challa is the father he would be depicted and reviled as a "deadbeat". That noxious concoction is the formula for selling comicbooks to the asses...er, ummm...to the masses. I meant to say to the masses.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 09, 2014, 03:09:29 pm »
If they really wanted to make Storm transcend the X-Universe,  this is what I would do.   Move her out of X- housing into a place on her own, maybe near her family.   

 :D ....maybe near her family.... :D

What family?  ;D






The one that is being created as you type this!  ;)

I was thinking of the family Reggie introduced us to.    Hmmm....thinking about it, since mutants seem to run in families, it seems she should have a mutant cousin or two.

uh oh....introducing anything Storm-related that smacks of Hudlin's enhancements to her character could spell quick and certain doom for this ongoing.

Yeah.

X-DWEEBS AFTER READING A GREAT STORM BOOK THAT INCLUDES RH'S BACKSTORY FOR STORM'S FAMILY: "She has a Black family? Dang. That might mean that STORM is ACTUALLY BLACK.


Nooooooooooooo!!!!

hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate!!!"

Yep, something along those lines, possibly followed by: "They went and made Nick Fury black; then, they made the movie version of Alicia Masters black. They made a black Spider-Man. What's next...a black Johnny Stor....ummm..."

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 09, 2014, 01:58:47 pm »
If they really wanted to make Storm transcend the X-Universe,  this is what I would do.   Move her out of X- housing into a place on her own, maybe near her family.   

 :D ....maybe near her family.... :D

What family?  ;D






The one that is being created as you type this!  ;)

I was thinking of the family Reggie introduced us to.    Hmmm....thinking about it, since mutants seem to run in families, it seems she should have a mutant cousin or two.

uh oh....introducing anything Storm-related that smacks of Hudlin's enhancements to her character could spell quick and certain doom for this ongoing.

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 09, 2014, 01:53:01 pm »
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1) What Pak's goal is with the "Storm" ongoing is to make Storm the Marvel equivalent of DC's Superman.
Decided not to read any further once I have noticed that.


That's the impression I got from some of the interviews. Just like Superman is the icon of DC, I think Pak wants to make Storm the icon of Marvel.



*sigh*

The icon of MARVEL is Spider-Man.



Hilarious!!!  :D    Way to keep everyone firmly grounded Battle

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Black Panther / Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« on: July 08, 2014, 05:12:22 pm »
If they really wanted to make Storm transcend the X-Universe,  this is what I would do.   Move her out of X- housing into a place on her own, maybe near her family.   

 :D ....maybe near her family.... :D

What family?  ;D

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And since the whole "annulment" was written by X-writers that just goes to show how "highly" they regard Storm. :smh:


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since the X-fans purchse it, doesn't that same disregard shown by the X-authors extend to a majority of the paying X-Fans? Or am I incorrect?

Before the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY, it was said by many that Ororo wasn't doing much of anything as an X-Man and that there didn't seem to be much of anything in particular planned for her going forward. She was seemingly "disregarded". While Ororo was Queen of Wakanda, some of the MPFFF ("paying X-Fans), complained that Ororo was snatched away from the X-Men, ruining the "big plans" in store for her character, just so she could prop up a C-List character nobody enjoyed reading about. The annullment happens. Ororo returns to the X-Men. The "big plans" she was snatched from are revealed to be Headmistress of the Jean Grey School, Logan's bed mistress, and not much of anything else. Disregarded, her character begins a slow descent to where it languished prior to the MARRIAGE OF THE CENTURY.

The X-writers and MPFFF manifested a high regard for Ororo which in the long run wasn't all it was put up to be. Storm isn't the first lady of the X-Men. She never was. She never will be. Contrast her character trajectory with the Green Lantern, John Stewart. Bruce Timm's favorite GL, Stewart was chosen to be the representative of the GL Corps in the DCAU Justice League and JLU animated programs. There was resistance from those who preferred Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner, but Timm stuck to his guns and with John Stewart. Today, while Ororo is simply just another X-woMan, John Stewart is believed by many to be not simply another Green Lantern, he is believed to be THE Green Lantern. You've heard it. You've read it. When the GL movie came out, many fans could be heard to say, "But I thought the Green Lantern was black..."

The X-writers gave lip service to having a high regard for Storm. Bruce Timm talked having a high regard for John Stewart and then, Timm walked what he talked. You see the results.

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