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Still dunno what kip is saying. ???

I wouldn't call comicbook literature referencing real-world history an intrusion;  it's actually a writing technique.

I was responding to or referencing this discussion:

Civil War had them doing outreach programs. So at most they would help on equal par with the technology of the period, but nothing that would cause them to stand out.

Also it's similar to Cap. I've only scene one instance when he was at the Normandy invasion. They usually have him fighting Hydra before he got frozen. I think it's so it doesnt disrespect the people who actually went through the real thing. The same would apply to Wakanda. By Marvels "outside your window" policy Wakanda cant do anything more than what really happened. They'd have to make up stories of fighting vampire slavers or something.
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I believe that's the point Cville is making, I Cap, they didn't have him taking part in real-life events as to not disrespect the people who actually fought there. Same with Wakanda, they don't want to disrespect the people who had to fight for their freedom by saying Wakanda actually had a hand in that.
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I'm not talking about someone complaining about and disagreeing with the politics of comics.  People did complain about Captain America hitting Hitler on the cover on a comic, before the US even joined WW2.  There were near riots over that political view.  I'm talking about it's normal for stories to happen in real historical--even concurrent events. (Cap vs the Nazis was just a singular example.)



...and this is where the real confusion lies.  ???

Can you cite a reference point that 'people' complained about Captain America knockin' hitler the _uck out on a comicbook cover?

What 'people'?  Who were these 'people'? ???
 
Can you cite a reference point that there were near riots over that issue?  ???

https://www.cbr.com/the-history-behind-captain-america-punching-hitler/

"We were inundated with a torrent of raging hate mail and vicious, obscene telephone calls. The theme was “death to the Jews.” At first we were inclined to laugh off their threats, but then, people in the office reported seeing menacing-looking groups of strange men in front of the building on Forty Second Street and some of the employees were fearful of leaving the office for lunch. Finally, we reported the threats to the police department. The result was a police guard on regular shifts patrolling the halls and office."

(the term near riots came from a video I watched years ago.)

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Latest Flicks / Re: (DC Animated) Justice League vs. Fatal Five
« on: February 08, 2019, 04:18:15 am »
hmm... with this loosely based on the Timm-verse Justice League, where's John Stewart?  Oh well..

I think they've got Mr. Terrific in there as a replacement, since they are focusing on the Jessica Cruz Green Lantern.

I was disappointed that we won't get to see a Cyborg/Tharok fight, but like Mr. Terrific and he really hasn't made a mark in animation.

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Captain America comics were produced during WW2 showing him fighting Nazis and no one felt that trivialized the servicemen who were actually dying fighting Nazis.  I mean, kids were reading about Cap fighting Nazis while their father, older brother died on those fields.  Never heard anyone saying that Cap's action trivialize their sacrifices.

You never heard any criticism about Captain America comicbooks because you were not around at that time. 

If there were any criticism about America's involvement in World War II, that person was, perhaps, ostracized and called names... like communist.  Look what happened to Martin Luther King Jr. when he criticized the Vietnam War in the 1960s.

I don't understand your point, any reading material that supported the American war effort was perfectly acceptable especially for the wild imagination of youngsters.

 I'm not talking about someone complaining about and disagreeing with the politics of comics.  People did complain about Captain America hitting Hitler on the cover on a comic, before the US even joined WW2.  There were near riots over that political view.  I'm talking about it's normal for stories to happen in real historical--even concurrent events. (Cap vs the Nazis was just a singular example.)

My point is that comics have a long history of intruding in on history.  Cap was involved in real events.  (And not just Cap, probably most comic book characters were.)  And not just comics--how many fictional movies or books related to historic events (and current events) have been written.   When people write fictionalized adventures in real historic/current events, they have to change something to tell a story.  But this doesn't trivialize the real people who went through those events.  Cap fighting on the fields of Europe didn't diminish the sacrifices of real men who died and bleed there.  So, if someone wrote about a Wakandan involved the Underground Railroad in the pre-Civil War South, it doesn't trivialized or diminish those who really went through it.   (Of course, I'm not talking about stupid writing; I'm talking about respectful stories.)

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On one hand I get that too (you don't want to trivialize someone's struggle), but no one complains that Captain America in WW2 diminishes the service of American soldiers--even during the war.  There have probably been a lot of real world events that comic book histories have subtly altered.  Actually, it happens a lot in fiction.




Huh??

Captain America comics were produced during WW2 showing him fighting Nazis and no one felt that trivialized the servicemen who were actually dying fighting Nazis.  I mean, kids were reading about Cap fighting Nazis while their father, older brother died on those fields.  Never heard anyone saying that Cap's action trivialize their sacrifices.

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Because Cap usually fights Hydra during WWII. Once or twice I've seen him at Normandy, but with my limited Cap comic exposure, he seems to engage in WWII fiction adventures. Same is true for The First Avenger. All he did was attack Hydra related stuff.

No, during WW2 and all the way up to the cartoon/movie universe time, Cap fought Nazis in WW2.   Hydra originally didn't exist until after WW2.  In the 50s he fought Commies. 

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Civil War had them doing outreach programs. So at most they would help on equal par with the technology of the period, but nothing that would cause them to stand out.

Also it's similar to Cap. I've only scene one instance when he was at the Normandy invasion. They usually have him fighting Hydra before he got frozen. I think it's so it doesnt disrespect the people who actually went through the real thing. The same would apply to Wakanda. By Marvels "outside your window" policy Wakanda cant do anything more than what really happened. They'd have to make up stories of fighting vampire slavers or something.

This is why I used real life historical examples that demonstrated Afraknas self liberating and thus makes it easy to insert Wakanda and the actions they took to support these efforts.

I believe that's the point Cville is making, I Cap, they didn't have him taking part in real-life events as to not disrespect the people who actually fought there. Same with Wakanda, they don't want to disrespect the people who had to fight for their freedom by saying Wakanda actually had a hand in that.

I see both your points on how the fiction could possibly be misconstrued as insulting the reality. That being said, then there should be no in-fiction commentary on why Wakanda did't help Afrakans if real life events curtail such. Personally I think Afrakans (so called Blacks) the world over would relish the idea and imagery of real life Afrakan successful revolts, slaveships takeovers, autonomous communities and birth of sovereign nations tweaked with a little Wakandan involvement.

On one hand I get that too (you don't want to trivialize someone's struggle), but no one complains that Captain America in WW2 diminishes the service of American soldiers--even during the war.  There have probably been a lot of real world events that comic book histories have subtly altered.  Actually, it happens a lot in fiction.

To me the bigger issue is, we can't have it both ways.  Is Wakanda an isolationist nation that has remained hidden from the world, feared by those around them and T'challa is changing that. Or was it always progressive and involved in the world?

That said, I do see a difference between Wakandans outside of official channels--even against the will of the crown--getting involved.  The later reminds us that no matter the nation--no nation is so monolithic that people don't act against the norm of their society.

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Other Comics / Re: Naomi
« on: January 27, 2019, 05:51:51 am »
I know they say there is going to be a big payoff down the line, but there was nothing about that book that interested me.  They need to be a little more obvious with the pay off to convince me to buy it.

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Though the idea is cool brother Ture, as mentioned above it would unfortunately take away from killmongers arc as well as T'Challas speech to his father and ancestor's.

A way to get what your suggesting across (assuming Avengers endgame resets back to the beginning of infinity war) would be for T'Challa to show Erik what he has done sense he died, as it's been two years since the events of BP 1. Enough time for him to show Erik that he is making an effort and how it all started in honoring him and his uncle by making the outreach program where his home used to be


I don't think so brother Ezyo. I think it adds more depth and intrigue to Wakanda's narrative. Your idea has merit and I can see that fitting in with my account of how things should go in BP2.

If Wakanda was apart of all that then why didn't anybody know? Royal family included? Especially if they were in the US destroying plantations, why didn't Tchaka take his nephew? Having them involved, when the main point was Wakanda stayed out of it, kinda weakens both sides,  and makes T'Challas decision  less impactful in my opinion

I would say there were those who knew, especially members of the Royal Family. The nephew piece requires a little imagination. The concern I feel needs addressing is why would Wakanda stay out of such horrific events? That is a weak position for them to justify.

But I think that was the point of the movie--they--the Royal family and official position--weren't justified, they were wrong.  For all they did right, they were wrong about this.  T'Challa is fixing their mistake. 

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Well at least we may now know why is behind the Shadow Council.

Papa Zemo revealed her the previous week. I assumed she'll show up in the present at some point.

Now that you say that, I remember seeing her picture last week.

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Well at least we may now know why is behind the Shadow Council.

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Finally watched the last two episodes... Very good.  So question, been thinking about getting rid of cable; how do watch this without cable?

Keep the cable Kip. Get rid of the premium channels. This Black Panther cartoon is that good. If Redjack and company can maintain this level of quality up for a few seasons, this animated series can not only carry us through til Black Panther 2 but lend its influence to such. Hell this crew could do a Black Panther animated feature film. Job well done.

No worries if you get rid of the cable however Kip. Here are alternatives. Money saving alternatives.

YouTube
From $1.99

iTunes
From $1.99

Google Play Movies & TV
From $1.99

Vudu
$1.99

Amazon Prime Video
$2.99


Already have one of the most basic packages and it's still over a hundred a month, just for the cable.  I could switch to an antenna, Hulu and Netflix and still spend much less.

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Finally watched the last two episodes... Very good.  So question, been thinking about getting rid of cable; how do watch this without cable?

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Latest Flicks / Re: AQUAMAN
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:34:19 am »

Nicole Kidman is classy as ever, good to see her character (and the father) live to see the end of the movie, I would have normally predicted that one of them would be sacrificed by the end.

This surprised me too; this is the first version of Aquaman where his parents lived--expected a repeat of the Throne of Atlantis animated movie, or "dead parent" motive during the tidal wave.  I wonder if this was a reaction the dark Snyder universe and wanted it to be positive, upbeat and light.  (It was a good move, whatever the reason.


The Leviathan's voice....  :o :o :o :o :o :o  So, what was the pitch with that?  LOL.  So, now, what does it do?  Go back to sleep?  I'm thinking this is a trump card for virtually any threat to the kingdom now.


Eh, Superman would still win. GRIN.

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Latest Flicks / Re: AQUAMAN
« on: December 31, 2018, 07:15:57 am »
Saw it yesterday.

Enjoyed it, but I liked Wonder Woman better.

I do agree with some who already said they put too much into this movie; it might have been better to set up Black Manta with the first scene, and leave the rest for the second movie.

One problematic thing I had with the story
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Aquaman's arrival on the final battlefield, was actually quite bloody for someone who plans to become their king.  He killed thousands?!? l

But it is funny to a certain degree, Orm's right.  We do treat our oceans terribly and in such a world, it's hard to imagine that Atlantis would ever side with the surface world.  Atlanteans would probably be our enemies and rightfully so.

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