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Hard Choices / Re: Hard Choices: Lupe Fiasco or lil Weezy?
« on: January 25, 2008, 07:01:20 am »
Mr. Fiasco
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If she gets nekkid...I'm there tonight!
actually i don't know that, because i didn't hear commentators talking about injuring players..In regards to Jordan, they would say, you can't stop him, you can only contain him..I've never heard anything close to "praying for injuries" for players.
Oh, come on now.. you know good and well, back in the day, people mumbled under their breath all of the time how the only way to stop Jordan, Sampras, Lendl, Sosa, Venus/Serena, Hingis, et. al. was to pray for an injury..Quoteok so does this little revelation somehow justify her comments? I'm quite sure everyone here knows that the term lynch didn't originate strictly for black folks, but the underlying meaning is there nonetheless..only black folks were being lynched for something they had no choice of...being black. Talking about a thief being lynched is somewhat ridiculous in comparison, unless you're implying every black person lynched in history was a criminal.
OF COURSE it was a dumb thing to say on open air.. but the lynch mob references did not start with the Jim Crow era, folks.. I hate to burst everyone's Willie Lynch-a-thon, but at one point in this country's history, stealing a man's horse bought you a one way ticket up the hanging tree, white, black, red, yellow, brown, or otherwise...
What's ridiculous is trying to assume you know what the commentator was thinking when she said what she said..
Was it insensitive? That's a no-brainer. Was it a racist comment? No more than Halle referring to her hook nosed caricature as that of her Jewish counterpart..
Equating my comment on her ignorance of the cultural context in which her reference was taken with somehow justifying her comments was quite the cheap shot, I might add.It sounded like a justification to me, unless you actually believe this lady literally woke up yesterday and have no clue about the history of this country or what lynching means in regards to our people..if she's that ignorant, then her ignorance is of a new breed
I'm saying there is a bit of leap from ignorance to malice.. I can't speak to what was in her heart and mind when she spoke.. but there are more choices than "secretly hates all black people"who said she "secretly hates all black people"? If she felt that way, i doubt she'd say it on national tv anyway, but saying something as disrepectful as "lynch him in a back alley" is coming pretty close.
actually i don't know that, because i didn't hear commentators talking about injuring players..In regards to Jordan, they would say, you can't stop him, you can only contain him..I've never heard anything close to "praying for injuries" for players.
Oh, come on now.. you know good and well, back in the day, people mumbled under their breath all of the time how the only way to stop Jordan, Sampras, Lendl, Sosa, Venus/Serena, Hingis, et. al. was to pray for an injury..
ok so does this little revelation somehow justify her comments? I'm quite sure everyone here knows that the term lynch didn't originate strictly for black folks, but the underlying meaning is there nonetheless..only black folks were being lynched for something they had no choice of...being black. Talking about a thief being lynched is somewhat ridiculous in comparison, unless you're implying every black person lynched in history was a criminal.
OF COURSE it was a dumb thing to say on open air.. but the lynch mob references did not start with the Jim Crow era, folks.. I hate to burst everyone's Willie Lynch-a-thon, but at one point in this country's history, stealing a man's horse bought you a one way ticket up the hanging tree, white, black, red, yellow, brown, or otherwise...
thanks, i thought it meant, In A World Without Sin for a minute thereHi Curtis, can you please tell me what IAWWS means?
Sure, IAWWS = I Agree With Wise Son
It happened so often it became an acronym. You may see the occasional IAWC, too. That is if I manage to say something worthy of Wise Son's approval.
Hi Curtis, can you please tell me what IAWWS means?Actually going back to Imus, Dog The Bounty Guy this Tiger lady and beyond I think that "politically correct" speech is hindering racial progress. Let EVERYONE say what's on their mind and let's get to the heart of the matter.Political Correctness doesn't stop you from saying what you want, it just means that you accept that your words have an effect, positive or negative, upliftment or offence. Some people are not prepared to take responsibility for what they say, and so choose not to speak and just mutter under their breath about 'political correctness'. If anything, someone being too scared to speak their mind because of the spectre of 'PC' only serves as a reminder that most bigotry has fear at it's heart.
IOW, PC only stops cowards from speaking their mind. IAWWS.
In my mind we have two scenarios, either she's the dumbest lady on the planet or she knew exactly what she was saying.
See in my mind, there is a third. She said it, and then she thought to herself "crap, that was a stupid thing to say."
I have a friend who is currently in remission from breast cancer. I remember a few years ago we were out with a bunch of people at a bar. She has also become a smoker (makes no sense, I know) and I made some flip comment about how she should quit or it'll give her cancer. I immediately was horrified with what I said, not even thinking that this was a woman who had just gone through a terrible ordeal. I started to apologize and she told me not to because she knew I just wasn't thinking about it for that split second. She was my friend and knew where my heart really was.
That's not really a good comparison. Smoking can cause cancer, but what point is made by saying Tiger should be lynched? When my friends are beating me in madden or mortal kombat or what not, my first thoughts aren't, man, someone should take him in a back alley and lynch him..see the term is a little harsh and considering she lives in this country and is over the age of 3, i'd imagine she has quite an understaning of what terms and word associations could be considered offensive..especially, you know, lynching someone.
For what I understand she was was just joking that the only way to stop Tiger is to kill him. I'm not saying that it wasn't a dumb thing to say, because it was a very dumb thing to say. That's what happens when you don't think before you speak. But I don't think it is worth dwelling on because, in my opinion, it was not made with any malicious intent but rather a bad joke gone very very wrong.
In my mind we have two scenarios, either she's the dumbest lady on the planet or she knew exactly what she was saying.
See in my mind, there is a third. She said it, and then she thought to herself "crap, that was a stupid thing to say."
I have a friend who is currently in remission from breast cancer. I remember a few years ago we were out with a bunch of people at a bar. She has also become a smoker (makes no sense, I know) and I made some flip comment about how she should quit or it'll give her cancer. I immediately was horrified with what I said, not even thinking that this was a woman who had just gone through a terrible ordeal. I started to apologize and she told me not to because she knew I just wasn't thinking about it for that split second. She was my friend and knew where my heart really was.