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It was criticized that Ulimates has turned into "Blue Marvel and Co" by Ewing. However, I am beginning to think that it's Marvel Editorial behind this. I have been following Squadron Supreme and not to put too much of a spolier but Adam was in it and did some significant action. that wasn't Ewing's hand. I think Marvel has plans for Dr. Brashear or at least are trying to big him up in the MU. First, T'Challa is on Ultimates (along with Adam and Monica) and got a successful solo. A Black woman is replacing Iron Man. Smartest person in the MU is supposed to be a black little girl with the Devil Dinosaur and now Marvel Editorial is finally taking a liking to Blue Marvel.

Interesting.

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Eh,

I actually like The Ultimates. I am a fan of Blue Marvel just as I am of T"Challa so whatever shine he get's I'm good with. However, I agree, I think they are not using BP to his full potential and I am disappointed in that. But, as little as BP shines in this, it is WAY better then that mess Coates is writing the character in the solo book. Better a few moments on panel at least appearing regal and strong, then a ineffectual king not aware of Boka Haram style tragedies (rape camps? Really?) going on in his kingdom. Ewing actually started off more even handed in presenting the characters in the book, but admittedly, he has focused alot more on Adam lately. I intend to keep an eye and see if he starts giving more time again to the other characters, which I hope he will. Maybe it will take someone writing in to make the point in the "letter section" in the back of each issue. We can't be the only people noticing the lack of exposure of BP and other characters in favor of Adam. Anyway, for now, the book will continue to get my money for now.

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Its official: He's Killmonger.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1537840/who-michael-b-jordan-and-lupita-nyongo-are-actually-playing-in-black-panther

http://time.com/4420739/black-panther-movie-cast/
I am not surprised at all. I remember hearing from some folks that they thought he would be the White Wolf. I kept telling folks that didn't even make sense and he would most likely be Killmonger. I should have bet some money on it...

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LOL! As disappointed I am in Coates right now, I do find it humorous that I am seeing more and more folks on here with the same negative feelings. first, I thought it was just me. Then, I saw there were a few others. Even with the usual ones who stand by whatever writer that comes along and "keep hope alive" regardless of the continuing proof that a writer is not doing justice to the BP mythos, there are more folks not accepting any writer who claims they are fan of BP without proof in writing. I've been on some other forums and Facebook pages all supposedly honoring BP, but alot of the folks there are recent BP fans and have no real concept of how deep the mythos goes. They're all on board with Coates because to them they're just happy there is a black super hero they fell in love with on screen and they believe a black writer of urban social issues is going to do justice to the comic. You wouldn't believe the false facts you still see from supposed BP fans that when someone who has followed the characters for years challenges them they either don't know how to answer or double down in their ignorance. Heck, alot of them never even picked up a comic before Coates showed up. Now this hand picked feminist by Coates is coming along and I am wary as to what honor (or damage) she will do to the BP mythos. It's really disheartening because I want to support black comic writers, but I think Marvel has gotten in the habit of not picking actual comic writers but rather go for a black person known in another venue and throw them at black comic characters regardless of whether that's a character they will take to heart and write well. I guess the idea is as long as they're black, fans (especially black fans) will just roll with it and be happy with what they got. Maybe they're right. I guess the jury is still out.

Anyway, to echo someone's earlier post, I am glad there is the HEF where I can read, discuss or comment with actual longtime and new fans (who read up on BP history even pre-Priest) to have actual meaningful debates and discussions.

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As a Black Panther fanboy, Ultimates continues to disappoint me greatly. Many of my issues with this book, in regards to T'challa, is that the threats are beyond his power scale. His teammates include Superman and Wonder Woman types, a heroine made of light, and someone that can punch holes in dimensions.

So, when you get a chance to move beyond "punching people," T'challa should have his moment in the sun. He is the most dangerous man alive not because he can fly at super speed or punch planets... but because of his brain. He is one of the smartest people in the MU, he is calculated, a master planner, with the resources of Wakanda behind him. When he is with the Ultimates, he needs to become "Batgod."

 But, every time a moment in the book comes where HE should have the spotlight... Ewing decides to let other members take his shine instead. Whether its sharing Galactus-curing credit with Blue Marvel or this issue... letting Monica plan battle strategy.

T'challa is a damn king who is fought and led his people in WARS. He has proven to be one of the best strategic minds in the Marvel Universe. Why isn't he providing battle strategy here? Why isn't he giving his thoughts ont he subject?

The answer is simple... Ewing likes Monica and Blue Marvel. They are the "real" main characters of this book. T'challa is in this book to try and increase sales... nothing more, nothing less.

So, overall we get this again...

... T'challa standing around, in the background. We didn't even get a "T'challa reaction panel" to the botched mission (we got Monica's, Adam's, Carols, and even MAC's). This is just getting beyond frustrating and I want him on an Avengers proper book next relaunch please.


I continued discussing the Ultimates as a whole here: http://blackpanthermarvel.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-ultimates-8-spoilers-and-thoughts.html

Overally, i did feel it was one of the better issues of this book. But that isn't hard because they were actually interacting with the MU as a whole and not floating around in space pontificating.
First off, welcome to the HEF. Always good to see new voices and opinions here. on BP. Always good to see another BP fanboy, like myself and others here.

Now as far as Utlimates goes, I don't agree at all that it is showing "threats beyond T'Challa's power scale". What exactly is that considering he has gone up against Silver Surfer had plans to take on Hulk, took on Tony Stark, fought Captian America, Iron Fist and other super powered individuals including Galactus? Personally, I liked See Wakanda and Die arc and though I didn't recall the writer saying Wakanda couldn't fight the Skrulls in aregular fight, that seems out of character based on it's mythos so the writer had to be misquoted or worse was bying into the hype the "BP haterz" were psewing at the time.  By you own admission of BP's history as king and warrior against many super powered threats, I see that statement as kinda of contradictory. Sure, I think having BP give some more strategic plans on panel would be good but I am not convinced that Ewing is disrespecting T'Challa or "giving his moments away" to other team members. If anything, Ewing is presenting "badass, uber confident, man with the money, monarch" type which is also a point of tension because of his personality within the team. After all, it IS a team book. NOT a Black Panther solo. In fact, I am much happier in Ewing's interpretation of BP than Coates who is writing the solo book. A book that every month I find myself on the precipice of dropping, but I keep giving him another chance to get the story up to par. I for one am a Monica and Blue Marvel fan so I am glad Adam is getting alot of exposure in this book (seeing it's the only place we can) as well as Monica. In fact, I actually thought Monica wasn't getting ENOUGH exposure in this book as the three characters exposed most times is Carol, T'Challa and Adam. However, it looks like Ewing is starting to show more of Monica as a tactician and power house of the team other than walking around every issue being a listening board and trying to soothe peaoples feelings when they are having some type of personal conflict. She and Adam don't have a solo book, so the more we see, the better.

I don't know the level of degrees Ewing likes any particular character, but I think he is trying to expose all the character's as much as possible. Of course we see more of one than another at times, but that can evolve over time. Carol, I understand as Marvel is pushing that character to be their premier character. As mentioned, we are seeing more of Monica. Whether Ewing heard fan criticism or not, he is starting to bring her out more often. Adam and even members of his family now) have been brought out. With the popularity of BP being at an all time high right now, I can't believe he isn't gonna have some "super uber" moment for T'Challa coming up. He's presenting BP as a bad ass so he has to give T"Challa a situation to back it up.

The Ultimates is not bad and BP's characterization isn't either, for a team book. I mean really folks, Ewing ain't no Hickman! After the horror of the post-Hudlin era, Doomwar, and the lackluster protrayal of T"Challa in favor of sub-characters in BP's own book, I will take Ewing for now.

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Black Panther / Re: Which writer diminished T'Challa the most?
« on: June 21, 2016, 02:15:25 pm »
Jason Aaron

Can't believe I didn't include him.
Aaron? Really? Didn't he do the "See Wakanda and Die" arc? The one that T"Challa took out the Super Skrull and the entire invasion? I actually didn't have a problem with Aaron compared to all the other writers before Priest and after Hudlin.

Can we officially add Ta-Nehisi Coates to the list?

Phuck Ta-Nehisi Coates.

Yes, I said it.
I wasn't ready to say something that drastic yet, but I totally understand your feelings on him. I might join you soon based on what I'm seeing in his writing. Funny though. I remeber alluding that "all folk ain't your kinfolk" in reference to what Coates was doing with BP and somebody responded that, because of Coates work in journalism chronicling the plight of people of color, the analogy shouldn't be applied to him.

Hmm, okay.

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If a writer has to vigorously defend their story to fans.. they are doing it wrong

Disagree. Priest dealt with MUCHO HATE when he revamped TChalla into THE REAL BP that our own R to the H built on and made even iller. If you have to vigorously defend your story to the fans? Depends on WHY you have to do it. The fans could be morons. You could suck. Could be something in between, depending on the consistency in quality of the book.

In Priest case he wasn't defending vigorously against but moronic unfans who complained about what he was doing despite the fact that they didn't even bother o read the comics and were bitching just because of their own racial insecurities Priest even mentioned that was he case.

So again if a writer has to vigorously defend their work to the fans then they are doing something wrong.




Again, this is not quite accurate. These moronic guys WERE fans...OF THE SUCKTASTIC TCHALLA. THE WEAK DUDE. THE "WAKK PANTHER" INSTEAD OF THE "BLACK PANTHER". Feel me? And I had to edit my post because I accidentally deleted the other half of it. Check the whole thing out, and see if you feel where I'm coming from. Or not. It's all good either way, brutha.

Again that's not a true fan. If a "fan" says T'Challa should run around in spandex beating up bad guys with no tech or anything because that's how he is.. which isn't even the case because he whooped the FF with tech and his strategic mind. As for your fan fiction I have only read it a couple of times. And really the debate we had forever ago about T'Challa going o Against here and winning is very realistic given  his track record. But in Mayberrys case I an see the fan's side and because he Even said the story was to promote Doom. Despite originally trying to play it off that it was a bp event.

I agree that anyone who wants a  weak TChalla is NOT what I would call a TRUE FAN. I have even opined on the original HEF that such fans were so deeply racist, fearful and insecure that many of them are simply "lost causes".

But it's ALSO true that these fans...ARE fans. They are fans of the D-Lister TChalla. And they have been [ hopefully permanently ] muzzled by the shine that TChalla is so justly receiving. I don't won't and can't agree with 90% of  their take on TChalla. However. I can't dismiss them as not being "fans".

They are fans of the dominant weak D-Lister that Marvel has shown TChalla to be post his FF intro, pre Peter B. Gillis and of course pre-PRIEST, RH, LISS, EWING, ETC.

I have ZERO problem referring to any reader who prefers a watered down T'Challa/Black Panther mythos as not being a fan of either concept.

I also have ZERO problem referring to any reader who engages in ridiculously hyperbolic fanwankery as being an equally problematic segment of readership.

I'm fair minded like that.
I agree with this and Ezyo's position in this debate. Can't really say anything more that doesn't already make the point.

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I remember way back in a discussion about Blue Marvel we talked about Ewing's project with the new Ultimates team. With some of the criticism's of Coates "Panther" thus far, I expected to see more comments about this book. Afterall, they are the catalyst for Civil War 2. I personally, like it and the way they depict T'Challa and Blue Marvel though I want to see more of Spectrum. I actually am starting to like (let alone pay attention for the first time) Captain Marvel. I really hope this book gets a good following and continues for awhile.

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http://collider.com/black-panther-michael-b-jordan-marvel/

What, they going to kill off Klaw in the first 10 mins like they did Crossbones?


Not necessarily. He could be a recurring villain that is finally killed in Black Panther 3.

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Must be a new villain because can't be Kilmonger


...why "can't" he be?  Height?  ???


that and just overall build plus age


He's too young to be Killmonger (Chadwick is older)?  ??? He can be any age they say his character is, same as Chadwick. Plus Hardy is much shorter than Bale was in The Dark Knight Rises yet thanks to movie magic he appeared to tower over him. Build? Have you seen how built he is in Creed?

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and I'd rather someone darker that you could make an African accent more credible.


...what?

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Lets learn from the Halle Berry as Storm mistake.


...what? Jordan is light skinned to you?

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I would really like to see Wesley Snipes in the movies in some shape or form being that he was attached to a BP film coming out for so long


Fancastings aren't happening. Jordan's here. Sorry. Now whether he's playing Killmonger. That I'll give you, but I think he is. Again we'll see. Interesting to know your reasons against though.


Goodness, I believe Boseman is pushing 40 and Jordan is in his twenties? I saw Jordan in Creed, he was a light or middleweight, Kilmonger is clearly a heavy weight. Jordan is very much lighter than Lypita or Boseman or any African that I know. Good grief
Well, we know part of the reason he got cast in this flick is he is  Coogler's boy. Plus he is recognizable to young movie fans right now. Isn't that how he got cast in Fantastic Four?

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True dat. I think I'll try posting a Tweet on Coates' Twitter site, invite him to join the festivities.

That may very well be the only way to get him to see sense. :smh:
You would hope. But, didn't Hickman (or was it Mayberry) stop by in here way back during "Doom War"?  I recall him not taking the criticism too well and then later he made that little quip in an interview about giving BP and Namor fans something to stop whining about it in Secret Wars...which he never really did. and the whole killing Namor off without BP exacting his revenge? smh.   Hopefully, if Coates stops by and listens to some of the hardcore BP fans in here will open him to some positive suggestions moving forward with his book.

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Funny. A lot of us wanted an authentic black voice to write Panther and this is what we get. Meanwhile, Panther's best portrayal since forever is being written in Ultimates by Ewing, who has shown to respect Panther more in 5 issues in a shared team book than Panther can get in his solo.

This book is horrible. Normally I judge a book by its third or forth issue, but two issues in... How high the mighty Wakanda has fallen. This is worse than any flood could have ever done to the golden city. Normally, I'm a fan who will wait for a good pay off for a story to conclude, but after seeing Cap 3 already 4 times this past week (let's be honest, while the Cap movies are my favorite Marvel movies, this was mostly for the Panther) and wanting more of a Panther fix, this was a damn near slap in the face.

I dunno. I just.... I dunno. I'm a little numb to this book right now. I'm going to go ahead and pull the this run like I normally would, but I don't think I'll read any more until this arc is finished. Read it all in one setting. Then judge it. But as of now, coming behind Captain America 3, this series is the worst thing ever to expose new readers to the character and his mythos.

agreed, and yes Ultimates is the T'challa I'm familiar with
Yeah, I am getting this feeling of "Oh,no. Not again" with the flow of Coates writing this book. I had such high hopes with a black writer coming on to write this comic, but the truth is he was probably never really a fan of BP, especially if he thought Hickman was great. If he wanted to do Spiderman, it means he was all good what the writers after Hudlin and McDuffie had done. I've been on other forums on the internet and there is a alot of new fans BP has gotten based on Civil War movie.  In fact, I was surprised how many black comic fans didn't know much about T'Challa at all. Alot of the old fans who have followed BP have already been in some debates with folks who are suddenly claiming htey've been with BP from Day 1 but with comments show they don't know much more than what they got off Wikipedia or nothing true to the character at all. The new fans need a real intro of the great character that many of us have followed for years. If this is there introduction to BP, I am frightened. I can see people being turned off and others accepting what is written even if Coates tarnishes the image of T"Challa. I'm trying to give Coates the benefit of the doubt, but if an improvement isn't seen by issue #4 then I won't bee collecting this book and hope that sales will drop enough that Coates or Marvel gets the message and gets a new writer. I guess it proves that just because you get a person of color to write a POC character story doesn't mean they will do that character justice. All your skinfolk are not necessarily your kinfolk.

Well stated post...dont know if the "skinfolk arent kinfolk" quote is fair...I think Coates for better or worse is trying to tell a specific story coming off of what he sees as a post traumatic Wakanda, and though I DEFINITELY have some issues with how he's going about it I dont think his goal is to show disrespect to T'Challa or not show him justice.  Dude has spent his career writing about issues regarding racism against black people in america and so forth...a POC writer isnt always going to take the route all or even most black people or even most black fans of this character agree on...and though I dont think he's trying to show disrespect to the character I can see in a few indirect ways he (and maybe Stelfreeze as the artist too, who im sure is given free reign to draw what he wants) may not even be thinking of. 

Overall, with only 2 issues in, it would have to be explained hopefully at some point how all of this is going on in Wakanda without T'Challa knowing about it or doing anything about it...I agree that is making him look somewhat blind and ineffective.  And the two Dora having to be on the run with one sentenced to death for the crime of killing a mysoginist and possible pedophile seems forced and not overkill.

SPOILERS

the scene with the big soldier, for instance, that threw him down...I can almost guarantee that Coates didnt write that scene but just the inner monologue (which was an excellently written) that was going on during it...I bet he just put in "Tchalla fights to get past soldiers" and Stelfreeze, who I also think invented and is a fan of that "magnetic push" thing, likes drawing it.  I'd like to think that that soldier was superhuman with augments in strength...which is something that shouldve been shown through TChalla's inner monologue while fighting him and being surprised by him...cause a normal human even that size should be no match for Panther.  But again, im betting its something Stelfreeze just drew up for a fight scene that Coates didnt even write in of notice.  And with him being a novice probably didnt even think to question Stelfreeze...whom I admit should know better himself.

It will be interesting to see I admit how new fans especially are going to react to this after a few more issues after coming off the movie...and how sales will be affected...some fans black and white have been drawn to it Im sure just because Coates name is on it..but those fans are coming in without the same expectations of Wakanda and Panther that many old fans have...along with no knowledge of whats come before.  So to them this may all "make sense" and is acceptable and may even be seen as an great read...which in some cases it is but to one who has been a fan of Panther before is highly questionable.

Either way, I think it will be interesting to see where he's going with this, though I agree he needs to show TChalla and Wakanda in a better light...and soon.
I'm well aware of Coates social commentary and literary writings, but as some others have already pointed out, he is not an actual drama or comic entertainment writer. A particular social agenda also seems to be something he is trying to push which kinda makes since knowing his resume. And his praise of Hickman while ignoring Hudlin gave a glimpse of his thoughts on the path forward, at least to me. The "skinfolk ain't always kinfolk" remark was a play on words in exactly just what you yourself just referred to in that a black writer won't always take the route most black fans of a character agree upon. Especially, if that writer may knowingly or unknowingly do the character a disservice. The point is that many of us cried for a writer of color to take back the mantle in expectation that he would write the character in a way that immediately restores T'Challa's former glory. Now that we got that, it seems we're not totally comforted in what Coates has done so far. However, as I said I am still giving him a chance to see what he does....up to a point. Besides, as long as Ewing is writing BP in "The Ultimates" I can still get the T'Challa most of us have been waiting for to return.

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Funny. A lot of us wanted an authentic black voice to write Panther and this is what we get. Meanwhile, Panther's best portrayal since forever is being written in Ultimates by Ewing, who has shown to respect Panther more in 5 issues in a shared team book than Panther can get in his solo.

This book is horrible. Normally I judge a book by its third or forth issue, but two issues in... How high the mighty Wakanda has fallen. This is worse than any flood could have ever done to the golden city. Normally, I'm a fan who will wait for a good pay off for a story to conclude, but after seeing Cap 3 already 4 times this past week (let's be honest, while the Cap movies are my favorite Marvel movies, this was mostly for the Panther) and wanting more of a Panther fix, this was a damn near slap in the face.

I dunno. I just.... I dunno. I'm a little numb to this book right now. I'm going to go ahead and pull the this run like I normally would, but I don't think I'll read any more until this arc is finished. Read it all in one setting. Then judge it. But as of now, coming behind Captain America 3, this series is the worst thing ever to expose new readers to the character and his mythos.

agreed, and yes Ultimates is the T'challa I'm familiar with
Yeah, I am getting this feeling of "Oh,no. Not again" with the flow of Coates writing this book. I had such high hopes with a black writer coming on to write this comic, but the truth is he was probably never really a fan of BP, especially if he thought Hickman was great. If he wanted to do Spiderman, it means he was all good what the writers after Hudlin and McDuffie had done. I've been on other forums on the internet and there is a alot of new fans BP has gotten based on Civil War movie.  In fact, I was surprised how many black comic fans didn't know much about T'Challa at all. Alot of the old fans who have followed BP have already been in some debates with folks who are suddenly claiming htey've been with BP from Day 1 but with comments show they don't know much more than what they got off Wikipedia or nothing true to the character at all. The new fans need a real intro of the great character that many of us have followed for years. If this is there introduction to BP, I am frightened. I can see people being turned off and others accepting what is written even if Coates tarnishes the image of T"Challa. I'm trying to give Coates the benefit of the doubt, but if an improvement isn't seen by issue #4 then I won't bee collecting this book and hope that sales will drop enough that Coates or Marvel gets the message and gets a new writer. I guess it proves that just because you get a person of color to write a POC character story doesn't mean they will do that character justice. All your skinfolk are not necessarily your kinfolk.

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I might be one of the people you are referring to. It was not my intention to disturb you. I do have an issue with the promotion of homosexuality ahead of racism and colonialism in a Black Panther comic. Why did Coates delay discussing racism yet puts homosexuality front and center? I think he did so because in a way homosexuality is more acceptable to discuss and it endears him more to liberals, etc. It's a safer topic, relatively speaking. And I do think of the financial incentive as well. You don't want to be controversial, or too controversial because that might affect the bottom line.

Black misogyny is also something that's discussed and used as a charge against black men quite a bit, but what about black misandry? (Misandry=hatred or dislike of men). Misogyny is something that should be pointed out and condemned, but it is okay to portray and accuse black men of being dogs, lazy, shiftless, trifling, abusive, criminal, and stuff in popular culture, etc. and that's seen as okay. Further there is a larger issue of showing black men as ineffectual and sexless (unless it is interracial sex, homosexual sex, or dysfunctional heterosexual sex). I'm not saying that there aren't black men who aren't abusive or sexist, but at the same time black men are painted with a broad brush and seen as unworthy for a variety of reasons.

I do want this Black Panther series to be about T'Challa. He should be front and center. He shouldn't be a side character to two totally new characters and their romance. Personally I would rather see the promotion of more intraracial, heterosexual relationships in comics and across the media, more so than any other kind of romantic/sexual relationship where black characters are concerned.

I did not advocate for the death of those two characters. It's not something I promote or cheer when I see it, but I also understand that homosexuality is being promoted hard in the media right now, along with interracial relationships, and for me its an issue of just rolling with it...to an extent.

And I do have concerns that black people have to be for 'everyone' far too much. When for one, not everyone is for black people. And two, that means that often I feel black people have to put their concerns on the back burner to mollify our so-called allies or fold them into a "universal" coalition that still leaves blacks at the bottom. I am concerned that Coates might wind up doing that with T'Challa, leaving him in no better a spot than where he found him. If at the end of his run we know more about these two characters than we do about him or haven't seen him kick major ass then I think that troubling pattern will hold.

Post of the week!!!
Emperorjones, your clarity on these matters is letter perfect.
Co-sign!

And this too:

@Kimoyo - At this junction in the Panther's 50 year comic book career the only thing certain is the deconstruction of T'Challa and Wakanda. The use of a diarchal, triarchal, hell even an omniarchal would only service this end.

@ Sal - that article revealed that Coates originally pitched Alonso about writing Spider-Man. Panther again receives sloppy seconds. I wonder if Coates were writing Spider-Man if he would have injected Spiderman's reluctance at being an unappreciated superhero? Would he have dealt with the human trafficing in New York city. Would he have written two gay men dealing with so called homophobia with violence and would he have been heralded for doing such? Well maybe Coates will pull a Priest.


With some exceptions all these past decades we witnessed writers hedging the Black Panther's potential. Writing an inefficacious king who does not dispense justice, emprisonment or capitol punishment to those most deserving. I cite Zemo, the KKK, the Supremacists, the nation of Azania, Anton Petorius, Apartheid South Africa, Doom, Red Skull, Namor and Thanos. Get the picture.Nothing but fodder for a new writer of Coates' pedigree.

Instead however, we must contend with a writer who finds justification in fabricating tales of a reluctant king whose nation tolerates the abuse of women and human trafficking.

Are we going to witness yet another highjacking of the Black Panther's comic book, the usurpation of T'Challa as we did with Everett K. Ross, Kasper Cole, Shuri and now by Ayo and Aneka? First it was argued for a white narrator, then a bi-racial protagonist, next a woman, now two lesbians. Where is the argument for T'Challa the Black Panther?


To me, Reginald Hudlin will always remain the only writer to chronicle the Black Panther Mythos in a manner that was focused, dedicated and straight up unapologetically BLACK.

There was ZERO ambiguity in Hudlin's take on the mythos and for that, I will always remain grateful.

Coates is no friend to the Black Panther mythos.
I was all excited for the first issue especially when I heard it sold out. But, now I'm reading these reviews and I'm no longer very hopeful for this series. Fact is, when Coates was announced as taking over and he started out praising that jack-ass that started the "deconstruction" BP with the whole Doom War fiasco, I kinda saw the writing on the wall, but was hoping I would be wrong. Well now we know. Oh, well. I guess I can still get my fix of T-Challa along with Blue Marvel in The Ultimates.

Yeah, I know. I know.  I lurk quite a bit on this forum and every blue moon I speak up.....    ::)

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Black Panther / Re: New Avengers, New Black Panther, New Black Power???
« on: September 23, 2015, 01:59:55 pm »
Oh, and seriously. Why do you people who post on CBR even take Xpac seriously with his facade as a Black Panther fan. The f*cking moron has successfully nestled himself in the "BP thread", and has fooled you all for YEARS in to thinking that he's an actual fan. Because all he ever does is "cleverly" try to diminish damn near every single thing T'challa does. He constantly roots for the villains who are against BP, takes the opposing stance of good developments/ideas (to build up the character) that the fanbase (no matter how stupid the opposing idea is), and he pins faults on BP's actions that he doesn't pin on other characters who do the same. And worse, he passive-aggressively takes the blame off of Namor, frequently (like 99% of the time) attempts to soften the blow of what should rightfully paint Namor as a complete scumbag and non-hero, and pins the vast majority of blame on every bad thing that's happened to BP ON BP. Which is complete crap.

He's even down played him fighting Black Dwarf and takes damn near every single opportunity to sap whatever momentum BP does, by trying to be "objective", when his shade throwing shows that he's anything "but" objective. Often condemning him for any sort of revenge and playing this dishonest "he needs to be the bigger man" bullsh*t. And that he always needs to turn the other cheek as some pitiful pacifist. All the while constantly pointing out BP's mistakes, but damn near none of the things that he's done right.

It's infuriating watching him over these past few years make you all who post there (and T'challa) look like complete neutered suckers.
 
And "no" I'm not saying that the thread needs to be/should be a circle jerk, but it's just getting pathetic at how predictable his pedantry bullsh*t is. It's amazing that he's still same exact passive-aggressive hater, as when I was there, and no one's picked up on this yet. His entire schtick is to be as big a "Wet Blanket" as he can possibly be when it comes to BP. Especially when it comes to him taking the offensive over bad things done to him, like 99% of other heroes are able to do without anyone batting an eye.
I don't frequent CBR anymore due to all that rascist claptrap over there. I have no idea who Xpac is and based on the responses from those form the HEF that used to post over there (before some got banned. Sometimes for calling out racist b.s.) I'm not exactly sure who you are talking to over here. Most of us here would be clownin' this Xpac if he were here on this forum.

As for T. Coates writing BP, as I said in another thread, I am not holding my breathe. Coates, a New York Times writer who has no dramatic fictional storytelling experience, writes a book about his personal experiences and growing up in the city and the plight of blacks and suddenly is chosen by John Stewart and other liberals as the the "spokeperson" for blacks. He doesn't mention Hudlin or Priest in the article introducing his appointment at Marvel, but plugs Hickman???? Uh,oh!

Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised, but we'll see.

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Black Panther / Re: Ta-Nehisi Coates to write Black Panther.
« on: September 23, 2015, 01:51:33 pm »
I have already gone on other sites where this news broke, to voice my hesitancy with this news. First off, I am not aware of any drama related fictional work Coates has done. He gets applauded by for his book, "Between the World and Me" and gets a plug from John Stewart and all of a sudden he's the go to guy for the plight of Black America for liberals. I think its good his work is getting exposure among people other than black, but the man is essentially a writer for a news paper. What about the black comic book writers with experience in the genre who are already out there? It just seems like Marvel is trying to appease the critics of its lack of diversity in it's writing staff for BP and other comic title characters of color. Besides, no offense intended, but didn't they kind of do that by approaching Reggie back when? Now you saw how the fanboys reacted to Hudlin's "pro-black" T'Challa series. We've all seen how they have deconstructed his work over the years. How in the world do you think they are going to react to Coates? Then again, Coates doesn't mention Hudlin or Priest but is giving props to Hickman (to which most of us here have serious issues with) in the article. Maybe its even more dubious that Marvel picked T. Coates to write the book afterall.

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