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Panther Politics / Re: Reginald Hudlin - the feminists' enemy
« on: January 14, 2007, 10:41:34 pm »
No wonder the feminazi stereotype is so durable.  You've got too many White women who belief "marriage = slavery," thus turning off everybody.

Agreed. I think that also because their have a fanboy vision of Storm that isn't being fulfilled. That's why they make stuff up about Storm being turned from a Goddess, an X-Man and a warrior into a trophy wife(who has a knack for adventure). They wouldn't feel that way had it been Forge, Wolverine, Gambit, Kitty, or the dirt in her greenhouse.


Personally i find this thread more than a little on the racist side.
::)

Y'know there's a saying that says: If you threw stones in a room full of dogs, the ones who got hit the hardest are going to yell the loudest. Time and time again HEFs are being charged with being "a little on the racist side" because we don't subsribe to "I've got a good friend with your skin color so I'm not racist, however..." cushion for discussions.

Bitch please, if you are not a crackerasscracker then STFU no one is talking about you, if you're not a negroassnegro then STFU no one mentioned you, and if you're not a silly "feminist" then STFU because you aren't the focus of the discussion.


OH GAWD!!!! You got me rollin' my seat reading this, Toya!  :D

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Other Comics / Re: Marc Guggenheim on Blade
« on: January 14, 2007, 09:45:11 pm »
Wait.I thought both Blade's human parents were Black,but it was the White vamp who bit Blade's momz and was thus responsible for ushering him into the vamp world while simultaneously murdering his momz,sending him to live with his White "aunt" (who was also a prostitute?) whom knew and was good friends with Blade's momz,and we haven't learned the rest? Now,bear in mind,I only hae BLADE#1 and I haven't been back to read it in quite awhile,so I'm going off of memory.I liked the SHIELD super-unit idea,but I thought that the art really torpedoes alot of the story.I honestly thought and think still that the art was WAKK,by professional standards,and doubly disappointing to those of us who are also BLADE movie and series converts because both the movie AND the series had lush visuals.

The series shouldn't've been canceled,btw.It was tite,and had good ratings,just not what SPIKE wanted it to have.But didn't it outdo THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER? I don't know,but it was definitely close...and I'll buy the series DVD if they release it.

I thought both Blade's parents were Black as well, but I knew that that politician was referred to has his "father". I will have to go back and reread issue#1.

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Vox Populi / Re: The Black Superhero Argument Thread
« on: January 14, 2007, 08:02:45 pm »
This thread is an unpleasant flashback to many a college conversation.  "Why do all the black students sit together?".  Now, there are 30 tables of white kids sitting together, but the BLACK kids are the ones who get asked this.

How long ago did you graduate from high school?  I'm in college, so it wasn't all that long ago for me.  I don't remember there ever being "black tables" in my high school.  The activity-based cliques tended to sit together, because that's where you made the best friends.  I sat with other band geeks, including the black bass player I've played with since sixth grade and continue to right to this day, a gay black saxophone player, an Indian girl, and six white folk.

The football team sat together, and they didn't seem to make a split between white football players and black football players.  The preppie rich kids all sat together.  They were probably the whitest group of tables, but the preppie rich black kids sat there rather than in a subgroup of "the black table."  I just don't remember there being racial splits in my school.


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I don't think those all white superteams were formed with the express purpose of excluding black people, so why the presumption the other way?

I don't think it requires much presumption to guess the intentions of people who are spelling them out in plain English.  If you set out with the express purpose of creating an all-black superteam, then race is necessarily the primary consideration. 

I'm still not saying a black superhero team couldn't easily make sense and work.  I'm saying it doesn't make any sense to throw together all the big-name black superheroes from all over the world on the basis of nothing but race.

I believe RH was talking about college (as was I in my example). But, remembering my high school days, you had that phenomena there too. Even though folks mixed and mingled between the sides it was still noticeable that the different ethnicities ate together. BTW, This is STILL a common practice at some colleges and high schools. I have younger relatives who talk about this so I know it STILL happens.

In fact, I remember times when a couple of us colored folk would be sitting in the cafeteria and we would see someone come in and we'd wave then over. Sometimes that black person would purposely go sit with the non-black group because,as was explained to us later, their non-black friends made comments about why the black kids were sitting together and were bothered by that. Funny, how they didn't see it as a problem while THEY were doing it.

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Other Comics / Re: STORMBRINGERS: ISSUE 1 COVER AND AD
« on: January 14, 2007, 07:01:57 pm »
Will you be soliciting in Diamond's Preview.  I would love to support ya and get some for my store.  If not, PM me with info on where I can get copies.   :D

Marvelous:

Thank you!
Yes, that's the plan.
Diamond has approached us twice about submitting to Previews.
So we'll do that next month and hope to be in the February issue for distribution in April.
You'll also be able to purchase directly off the Stormbringers website.
I'll keep you posted on our Previews appaearance.

Thanks Again,
Stormbringer1

Congrats! I have been waiting for this to come out for awhile now.

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Black Panther / Re: Voice your Opinion "SMALL WORLD!!!"
« on: January 14, 2007, 12:58:42 pm »
When Black Panther first appeared in the FF his country had laser cannons along its border defenses.
That's my two cents.

Nuff said

True, but that was 616 Panther.  This is Ultimate Panther.  Different dude.  Different Wakanda.  I'm not defending some of the choices the Ultimate creators made, but I think it's unfair to compare this Panther with the 616 one.

I'm aware of that,bruh,and never misconstrued the two.But my point about the lack of "in-story explanation" about the vibranium tipped spears and the complete ignoring of high-tech weaponry that was utilized to drop the invaders in the first place (or am I wrong about that? Didn't the Wakandans SHOOT DOWN the aliens?) being deployed against THE ULTIMATES when they came to Wakanda.Weren't the Wakandans using spears and whatnot against IRON MAN?

My reply wasnt necessarily directed toward you, Supreme.  It was mostly directed at the posters who were disappointed that the animated Ultimate Panther wasnt like 616 comic book Panther.

Granted. But then why are all the other heroes in the Ultimate Avengers movie competent and able to throw down? Even though it is a different universe they aren't that much different then the ones in the 616. Wakanda and T'Challa are weaker in character than all the other Ultimate universe characters.

I would guess that it's because movie Ultimate Panther is something of a rookie.  Wakanda may be weaker than 616 but they are the only country that successfully fends off the invasion.  Actually, The Ultimates and the 616 Avengers are a lot different.  Ultimates are harder edged and morally ambiguous.  More real world-ish if you will. 

But EVERYONE is a rookie in the Ultimate verse. This comic line is starting everyone fresh with a new turn on their characters. Therefore, it seems odd that Panther and Wakanda are the only elements that come across a weak.

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Other Comics / Re: Marc Guggenheim on Blade
« on: January 14, 2007, 12:50:28 pm »
As far as Black people with a white parent look like you don't have to make that point with me as I agree and it only repeats what I said in a previous post.
Yes, sir!!! ::)

Alright, carry on then.  ;)

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Other Comics / Re: Marc Guggenheim on Blade
« on: January 12, 2007, 06:56:21 pm »
...I do think it was done to make the character more acceptable to the majority of readers in comics...

Acceptable, I don't know. I believe the sensationalism of racial issues is being exploited, yes.

OK. We have a difference of a opinion here. That's cool. Again I relate this topic back to that of the Luke Cage argument. As to if racial issues is being exploited? I agree with you here.

...as this was not the initial make up of the character before Guggenheim.

But if his father has never been seen on panel, no one (other than Marv Wolfman) can say who he is or isn't. I don't want this to turn into a geneology(?) debate, but there are Black people with a white parent, who don't "look it".

I can't recall if his father appeared on panel before so until I do I'll give this point to you. As far as Black people with a white parent look like you don't have to make that point with me as I agree and it only repeats what I said in a previous post.

As for being born in the UK in a whorehouse with a different father, that was a creation of this new writer as well I believe.

For some reason, I want to recall that when Blade first appeared in Tomb of Dracula, he was originally based in London (something to do with chasing, er, Dracula).

Did you read the 2002 mini-series? Anybody?

Alright so was he born in a whorehouse? Just curious.

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Vox Populi / Re: The Black Superhero Argument Thread
« on: January 12, 2007, 06:42:15 pm »
But if you set out specifically with the intention of creating the Blackvengers just because you want a team with nothing but black people in it, that doesn't sit well with me. 
Attempting to offer some constructive comment:
People like to see themselves and things they know represented in comics, which is the basic reason why White creators create a large majority of White superheroes, even in an environment like NY City, where that is realistic. It is also why many Black creators, when given free reign, tend to create Black heroes.

Moving beyond individual characters, people tend to hang out in groups of similar cultural backgrounds to themselves, which will often (although not always) mean people of the same ethnicity. Now for Black people who are into comics, this is something that is not represented in comics: You may have (a smattering of) Black heroes, but you don't get groups of them. Therefore, there is a natural urge to want to see a super-group that is Black.

It has absolutely nothing to do with White people, despite the assumption you seem to make that the only justification for a Black Avengers would be to exclude White people. I repeat: It has nothing to do with White people or their exclusion. I hope you feel less disturbed now.

In relevance of this topic, does any body remember Friends or Seinfeld?

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Vox Populi / Re: The Black Superhero Argument Thread
« on: January 12, 2007, 06:37:48 pm »
I don't buy that. I don't accept internet whining as an accurate canvassing of public--phootey--opinion. People are willing to say anything to look cute, smart, moral, etc. (he said, typing on a web forum...)

When I say "public outrage" in that context, I'm talking about the fictional public of Marvel New York (not comic readers).  It was an ongoing subplot throughout the first several story arcs of Busiek's run.  Protesters were always outside the mansion, half of them protesting the team's lack of minority members, and the other half protesting against the fact that mutants were on the team.  Thor ended up leaving the team because the media wouldn't stop hounding them.  Nevertheless, Cap stuck to his guns in his belief that the Avengers would choose a lineup based on merit and never on skin color, and Triathalon was only made a member after he had proven his worth.

I realize that for a long time there were no black heroes in comics, and many teams were all-white, but more recently writers have tackled that very subject in the pages of team books, and to me it seems like purposely making an all-black team in the name of evening the score is taking a step backward. 

Again, I point out, it happens in the real world. In comics, no matter what the make up of a team, it is still decided by writer's choice. It is NOT EVER going to happen naturally because it comes from the imagination or a real person.

In the end the only real issue is that it is YOUR opinion this SHOULD NOT happen. Not that it CAN"T nor be ILLOGICAL.

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Black Panther / Re: Voice your Opinion "SMALL WORLD!!!"
« on: January 12, 2007, 06:23:41 pm »
This is just another in a Looooooooonnnnng line of things that Make Me Detest and Despise the Ultimate Universe even more.

If the Ultimate Comic book Version of T'Challa is just like the little Weak @$$ Movie Version of T'Challa then I won't be picking up the Ultimate Avengers Comic Ether.

I HATE the Ultimate Universe >.<

I think the Ultimate 'verse sucks a@# too. I REALLY hate the Cap America. To me, he is arrogant bully. This is not the man that would inspire the ideals of America in me nor would I follow him into battle. The Cap of the 616? Though he is still a soldier, he doesn't follow blindly his orders and when he sees the true ideals of America being perverted he does something about it. He is strong, a soldier and if that character were real he would inspire me. I'd follow the guy into Mephisto's lair with only a rock in my hand if he asked.

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Black Panther / Re: Voice your Opinion "SMALL WORLD!!!"
« on: January 12, 2007, 06:17:18 pm »
When Black Panther first appeared in the FF his country had laser cannons along its border defenses.
That's my two cents.

Nuff said

True, but that was 616 Panther.  This is Ultimate Panther.  Different dude.  Different Wakanda.  I'm not defending some of the choices the Ultimate creators made, but I think it's unfair to compare this Panther with the 616 one.

I'm aware of that,bruh,and never misconstrued the two.But my point about the lack of "in-story explanation" about the vibranium tipped spears and the complete ignoring of high-tech weaponry that was utilized to drop the invaders in the first place (or am I wrong about that? Didn't the Wakandans SHOOT DOWN the aliens?) being deployed against THE ULTIMATES when they came to Wakanda.Weren't the Wakandans using spears and whatnot against IRON MAN?

My reply wasnt necessarily directed toward you, Supreme.  It was mostly directed at the posters who were disappointed that the animated Ultimate Panther wasnt like 616 comic book Panther.

Granted. But then why are all the other heroes in the Ultimate Avengers movie competent and able to throw down? Even though it is a different universe they aren't that much different then the ones in the 616. Wakanda and T'Challa are weaker in character than all the other Ultimate universe characters.

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Other Comics / Re: Marc Guggenheim on Blade
« on: January 12, 2007, 04:26:06 pm »
Well, Blade's no less relevant as a Black character (or less Black, to me) for having a white father. I think there will be something other than race about this Lucas Cross than we know after only five issues.

No I don't think it makes Blade any less black either. I am not one of those who looks at some one with one black parent and parent of other ethnicity as any less black or anything else to that regard. African Americans in general are a mixture of many things as it is. I have Cherokee and white (German) in me for example). But I do think it was done to make the character more acceptable to the majority of readers in comics as this was not the initial make up of the character before Guggenheim. As for being born in the UK in a whorehouse with a different father, that was a creation of this new writer as well I believe.

Thing is the Blade series has never done well, even after the movies came out. I agree with that. So if the story does pick up new readers than I can except this change and roll with it. I'm not gonna get caught up on what was thrown away before for the character. As a Hudlin BP fan, I wouldn't want to be a hypocrite. However, I still think a better artist needs to get on the book.

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Vox Populi / Re: The Black Superhero Argument Thread
« on: January 12, 2007, 04:02:21 pm »
If someone were to create an all-black team with new characters, thereby broadening the stable of black heroes in the MU, that could easily be done in a manner that is natural and unforced.  I could think of a dozen ways an all-black team could be created without raising an eyebrow from me if the characters were new creations.

But when you talk about cramming every existing black character you can think of into one book with the rationale that "they're all black and therefore friends," that's another story.
Why'n't you say that from the beginning?!

I watched this exchange there have been a number of valid points (even Action Jackson). So let me make some points here.

1. It may seem wrong to specifically create a team based on the fact that they are all black, however, real world dynamics shows that this type of thing happens all the time. Whether it is meant to be racist or not, it happens. Sometimes it just has to do with cultural comfortability. An example would be how at some predominantly white schools, most of the balck kids may sit in a group in the cafeteria while the white kids sit on another. In fact all the different ethnicities do this occasionally. The basketball example, if a coach picks intentionally picks all black players. Is this racist? Possibly. However, he may just be going on the talent he sees. In fact, A white coach may end up picking the same all black team and the main thing in his mind is the skill level of the players. I don't think the choice is necessary racist. In fact, later down the line a white player of skill could be added to the team if his skill level is proved to be adequate. This is how I view all these majority white super hero teams when they do have one black hero. Luckily, we see more teams with more than just one black character but they are still too few.

2. This point was already made and I think it needs to be stressed, that people who interact amongst one another through certain events tend to come together an many times form groups. It could be all white, black brown or polka-dot. The interactions maybe because of where they live, work or save the entire planet. IF all the heroes are white or black this IS a realistic possibility. The MU and DC universe is full of mostly white teams. Yes, you have your teams with the one (or if your lucky) two black or brown persons on it but they do not make up the majority. The should NOT be a problem if the reverse is true. THAT would be a hypocritical stance to take. I will not insult anyone by even bring up the race issue on that though it could possibly be applied.

3. This is the most important point really even if the other too are dismissed. ANY team created in the comic books would be put together by choice. The writer decides who is going to be on that team. IF it is all white, all black, white with one black, black with one white, it doesn't matter. Someone consciously put the team together. Is it racist? Again, what if the writer is looking at skill levels he wanted group together or other dynamics as to where all the heroes were located. If they all came from East Side Detroit, or Nigeria, chances are their all going to be black. If the heroes were put together from Ireland or Moscow, chances are they are all going to be white. And if the idea WAS to put a team together who is all black, who is to say it isn't to create more balance in the MU since, as everyone as pointed out ad nausea, that the MU is made up of mostly white teams? BTW, a white writer may do that. In fact, I would expect a all gay/lesbian team to show up or at least be proposition soon too (I could see Judd Winick pushing for this judging by his work and ideology).

And as the point about is being okay if the characters are not MU but all new ones? That doesn't fly either because, once again, the MU and DC are made and have been made up since there birth, of all white or majority white current teams. These are not new characters we're talking about here.

The real issue is about taste. If you don't like the idea about an all black team than fine. I respect your opinion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and more power to you. In fact, there are both white AND black folks who wouldn't like that. But understand, to say it is wrong for an all black team to be intentionally created based on the current climate of the comic book scene or saying that in real world situations that would not happen is absolutely false.


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General Discussion / Re: Good Morning All
« on: January 12, 2007, 03:09:31 pm »
Hello HEFfers (BTW, am I considered a HEFfer now too?). I got up this morning and went in to work for a 1/2 day. Except a coworker needed some reports done so they could send something out so I ended up being here longer than I wanted. I had planned to get home early and pack for a weekend trip I'm taking to San Diego, make a quick stop to an event my frat is participating in, and then chill before I have to get on the road.
Unfortunately now my time table is off. This SUCKS!

...and of all things on a Friday. Damn!  >:(

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General Discussion / Re: Uploading pics and avatars on this board?
« on: January 12, 2007, 03:03:03 pm »
Why? It was so much more convienient. What will happen to the hudlin 100?

Nothing. Just go to Photobucket, upload the pictures from your hard drive and post them as a link w/the IMG command.

[*img]www.assntitties.jpg[/*img]

Girl, you are something else.  :D

Thanks for the instructions.

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