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Hudlin's Huddle / Thurgood Marshall
« on: June 17, 2010, 11:31:35 am »
The Good In Thurgood Marshall
Posted 06/16/2010 05:23 PM ET

Marshall at the Supreme Court Building in Washington, D.C., in 1967 after his swearing in as associate justice, a position he held for 24 years. AP View Enlarged Image
Thurgood Marshall came to be revered by many Americans.

As a civil rights activist and lawyer, he argued the case that led the Supreme Court to outlaw segregated public schooling.

Later he became the first black justice on the Supreme Court itself.

For all that, no one was more irreverent about himself than Marshall (1908-1993).

Everyone who knew him, from presidents to law clerks, remembers him as a friendly, light-hearted character, given to telling funny stories and politically incorrect jokes.

Some of those jokes came back to haunt him during confirmation hearings, but that didn't stop him. In 1950 he told Collier's magazine, "I intend to wear life like a very loose garment and never worry about nothin'."

This attitude sometimes led critics to call him unserious.

But Marshall's carefree attitude was a key part of his success. It kept him upbeat through grim events — including attempts on his life.

Marshall's Keys
•Led the legal victory to desegregate public schools and was the first black justice on the Supreme Court.
•"If the First Amendment means anything, it means that a state has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his house, what books he may read or what films he may watch."
And it gave Marshall a remarkable charm that let him work with anyone, even diehard opponents. In the sharply divided racial climate of the mid-20th century, he had an almost preternatural ability to schmooze.

"That's how he was," said Harvard law professor Mark Tushnet, a former clerk for Marshall who has written several books about him. "He knew that he was doing very serious work, but he was also doing it in a way that he could enjoy life."

Work And Play

Marshall showed a facility at both from an early age. Growing up in the black middle class of Baltimore, he was something of a hell-raiser at school. But his parents — a waiter and a schoolteacher — were adamant that their children would make something of themselves.

Marshall's father was especially fascinated by the law and sometimes took Thurgood to watch court proceedings.

In 1930, Marshall applied to the University of Maryland's law school, but was rejected because of his race. He was furious, but it only increased his determination to make a difference through the law.

In 1933 he graduated first in his class from Howard University's law school. He also became close friends with the school's dean, Charles Houston, a litigator with National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

As soon as Marshall graduated, he and Houston started working together on civil rights cases.

Two years later they avenged Marshall's rejection from Maryland by suing successfully on behalf of another rejected black applicant. Marshall pointed out that no state law school existed for blacks, so it could not reasonably claim to have "separate but equal" facilities.

Maryland's Supreme Court agreed, and in 1936 the NAACP employed Marshall full time.

For the next 20 years, he traveled the country, challenging local segregation laws and helping black defendants he thought were being treated unfairly. This often led him to Southern towns that had no lodging for blacks. So he stayed in private houses.

Things got hairy. In 1946, Marshall went to Columbia, Tenn., to defend two black men charged with rioting and attempted murder. He succeeded in getting one of them off; the other was convicted.

That was too much for some locals. One night, two policemen arrested him for drunken driving and took him off to a secluded spot by a river where angry men waited.


One of Marshall's colleagues followed them, and the police feared another race riot would erupt if the horde lynched the lawyer. So the cops took Marshall back to town, and he and his colleague escaped by sending another driver in the opposite direction in a decoy car.

"And sure enough, the mob was coming around the corner when we left," Marshall said in Juan Williams' 1998 biography, "Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary." "So they followed (the other) car, which we'd hoped they'd do. And incidentally, when they found out I wasn't in it, they beat the driver bad enough that he was in the hospital for a week."

This brush with death didn't stop Marshall from fighting civil rights cases and even befriending opponents. That approach worked even on the unlikeliest people.


In 1952 an NAACP employee, June Shagaloff, was arrested during an attempt to desegregate schools in Cairo, Ill. The authorities refused offers of bail. Enter Marshall. "The police chief ... (was) a fat, slobby, uneducated man with a big, stubby cigar," Shagaloff recounted to Williams. "Mr. Marshall took a straight chair and straddled it ... and just chewed the fat with this police chief. You would think they were old buddies. And that went on for a half-hour, 45 minutes. And finally Mr. Marshall said, 'How about that man's bond that he put up for her, pretty good isn't it?' And the police chief said, 'I guess so.'"

Shagaloff was released.

Meanwhile, Marshall and other NAACP lawyers were challenging segregation on progressively broader legal grounds. After his University of Maryland court victory, Marshall started arguing cases where there were such schools, but they had inferior funding and materials.

By the time the famous Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka came before the Supreme Court in 1953, Marshall was arguing that simply having segregated schools was inherently unequal treatment.

The opposing counsel on the case, John W. Davis, was a man Marshall had watched and admired as a law student at Howard as he argued cases before the Supreme Court.

Even though Davis was such an ardent segregationist that he came out of retirement to argue the case without pay, during the proceedings he and Marshall were seen having dinner together. Marshall defended the action by saying, "It's very important to have a civil relationship with your opponent."

Tushnet says this was true to Marshall's character, and good strategy.

"It affected the way adversaries thought about him — not just about him, but about overcoming racial segregation," he told IBD.

Finally, the Supreme Court ruled in May 1954 that segregated schooling was contrary to equal protection guaranteed by the Constitution.

Marshall was a star and became more and more accepted by the white establishment. Even FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, infamously suspicious of civil rights activists, helped Marshall in his efforts to rid the NAACP of communists. (The purge even took one of the group's founders, W.E.B. Du Bois.)

Marshall had no patience with separatist black activist groups such as the Nation of Islam. Even Martin Luther King's civil disobedience rubbed him the wrong way, since it involved breaking the law.

Still, Marshall put the movement's interests before his own and supported King in public.

High Places

Marshall's stance led to a series of government appointments. In 1961 President Kennedy chose him as a federal appeals court judge, making him only the second black person to hold that position.

In 1965 President Johnson, a Marshall friend, made him solicitor general to the White House.

In 1967 Johnson nominated him to the Supreme Court. Marshall served there for 24 years, retiring two years before his death in 1993.

At his funeral, Chief Justice William Rehnquist pointed to the words at the Supreme Court's entrance, "Equal Justice Under Law." "Surely no one individual did more to make those words a reality than Thurgood Marshall," Rehnquist said.

In The News / Re: BP Spilllin'
« on: June 17, 2010, 07:45:44 am »
I have not been following this story as closely as I should have, but is there some obvious fix that no one is doing that they should?  Do people consider the possibity that there is no fix, at least, one that currently exists?

I keep hearing that the President needs to "take charge", but is there a clear plan of action?

I don’t know of an obvious fix, but I have read about mitigating measures that were ignored or turned down for what sound like political reasons.

For example, I’ve read that the oil on the surface could have been burned instead of allowing it to be diluted with sea water and reach shore. Was burning turned down for fear of backlash from the same environmental lobbies that have oil companies drilling in deep water instead of shallow water?

When folks call for Obama to “take charge” I think they were largely calling for him to engage. Even without an obvious clear fix, having the President engaged, sends a message that this is a serious problem worthy of his attention.

The Fox news followers are going to have a field day with President Obama’s initial lack of attention to this catastrophe. Even if he gets it right now, this event will be a serious Achilles’ heal for the President during the upcoming midterm elections and the President’s re-election bid for a second term.

His best bet now, is to stay engaged and lead us out of this disaster. The day after that, he should fire the advisors that enabled him when he wasn’t paying attention.

Obama is definitely damaged from this, but he can recover if he plays it smart from here.

In The News / Re: BP Spilllin'
« on: June 16, 2010, 04:34:49 pm »

As for stopping the leak and cleaning up, are there resources being withheld?
How do we know?

I'm not sure. I have read that the US & BP have not accepted offers of help from foreign governments and that tankers with out US registration/flags are not being allowed into the gulf to collect oil. We know that the head of BP & Obama didn't even talk for the first 40 days or so - that's crazy!

That said, after a four hour plus meeting today, it sounds like the government is finally getting the idea that they need to take charge - honestly, better late than never. But again, taking charge (at least to me) means solving the problem. The blame & politicising can come later. The President will have a lot more credibility, on this issue, after he has taken charge, stopped the leak, and cleaned up the mess.

Then, he can use that credibility to push forward the bigger picture agenda.

General Discussion / Re: Father's Day
« on: June 16, 2010, 04:24:53 pm »
I'm still trying to come up with a great gift. My dad is 84, super active (rides a Ducati almost every day!) and seems to have to things he wants. If you have an idea, post it quick! I'm running out of time...

In The News / Re: BP Spilllin'
« on: June 16, 2010, 09:47:27 am »
I'm with you Magic. This thing is huge and BP & the Obama administration seem to be asleep at the switch. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to have less impact than I think... but I don't think so.

I'm concerned about the impact too, but what do you think the administration should be doing?

I think the Obama administration should set aside all politics and blame for the time being, then "manage" the situation. Bring every resource that is needed to stop the oil flow and clean up the mess.

There will be plenty of time to go after BP, change regulations, set new standards, raise taxes, move the economy away from an oil base - but first the focus has to be on solving the problem.

Obama needs to lead. Leaders solve problems.

I'm dying for Obama to handle this right, but I see his administration posturing and trying to gain political advantage rather than just solving the problem.

When a heart surgeon is in the middle of saving a life that is not the time to preach to the patient about cholesterol or taxing fast food restaurants. Save the patient, then work the agenda!

« on: June 15, 2010, 02:48:58 pm »
Well, that about sums it up!

Men have long needed an articulate spokesperson; Mr. Thug is quite the gift in that regard.

I'm a man and he does not speak for me. Wow, a hundred steps back with this guy.

Well, O.K. BPStorm4ever, you busted me for exagerating.

Mr. Thug will have to serve as spokesperson for all men - except you.

General Discussion / Father's Day
« on: June 15, 2010, 01:27:06 pm »
I'm looking for ideas. What are you giving your dad for Father's Day?

Or, if you are a dad, what are you hoping to receive?

Hudlin's Huddle / Re: Rent a White Guy
« on: June 15, 2010, 01:25:04 pm »

I have THREE white friends who do this on a annual contractual basis for a VERY LUCRATIVE living.  All of them are good-looking guys with perks out the wazzoo, such as posh condos in the BEST districts, maids, cooks, drivers, a private car, free tix to expensive entertainment, dancing girls, free liquor, and....and...and.... JUST for being good-looking white boyz!  

oh my.
i wish some country had that gig for brothers!


Quiet as it's kept THIS country has such gigs for the brothers.
There are firms in the US doing business as minority enterprises that are actually owned and operated by white folks.  
They put a Black face and/or Black name on the business to win government contracts or Negro favor.  It's all a scam!

I have a baby on the way and I could use the:
1. vacation
2. easy money
3. free time
4. easy money. oops. i already said that.

hook me up. puhleeez? you can even tell 'em that I'm an American movie and TV star. they should love that!

Don't forget about me, Mastrmynd.

I've got more kids than a sea turtle! So if you find this easy money, pot of gold, take me along!!

Hudlin's Huddle / Re: Rent a White Guy
« on: June 15, 2010, 09:57:11 am »
oh my.
i wish some country had that gig for brothers!

that is...sad.
i've been saying for awhile how sad it is "asians" put so much stock into being white.
i look at most of their cartoons and most of those ambiguosly gay action characters look like white men and not asian ppl.

go figure.

I like white guys as much as the next person, but had no idea being white was revered in asian communities.

Any idea where this came from?

In The News / Re: BP Spilllin'
« on: June 14, 2010, 12:00:37 pm »
I'm with you Magic. This thing is huge and BP & the Obama administration seem to be asleep at the switch. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to have less impact than I think... but I don't think so.

Hard Choices / Re: Lingerie
« on: June 10, 2010, 04:04:32 pm »
So, to be clear, the question is, what do men like to see on women, not....    :P

Yep, Hypestyle the question is what you like to see on women... if you got some other secrets, we don't wanna hear about em! :-[

Finance / Re: What stocks do you own?
« on: June 09, 2010, 02:50:10 pm »
I have stocks with my job Dish Network & Echostar (parent company)

Do you have a "lock up period" or are you free to sell them at will? Unless you are locked up, you might want to step back and take a look at the entire pool of stocks available, then decide what it makes sense for you to own.

Often, by default, people own shares in the companies they work for. Sometimes this ends up not being a sound investment.

Just my two cents.

No lock up peroid.  I am free to sell them


Zulu, Without a lock up, I think you step back and ask the question: Of all the stocks to choose from, would I buy today, the ones I already own?

If the answer is yes, sit pat.
If the answer is no, you make changes.

One other thought: by holding only two stocks, you have a lot at risk with either one of them.

Hard Choices / Re: Lingerie
« on: June 09, 2010, 02:27:35 pm »
Black on Lighter skin (see almost ANY issue of SHOW's "BLACK LINGERIE" magazine) White , yellow or red on Darker Skin.

It just goes to show you Kristopher, it takes all types.

I'm the polar opposite - White on darker skin for me! More lace is a bonus!

Hard Choices / Lingerie
« on: June 09, 2010, 07:50:41 am »

Color, style, details what's your favorite combo?

Finance / Re: What stocks do you own?
« on: June 09, 2010, 06:29:32 am »
I have stocks with my job Dish Network & Echostar (parent company)

Do you have a "lock up period" or are you free to sell them at will? Unless you are locked up, you might want to step back and take a look at the entire pool of stocks available, then decide what it makes sense for you to own.

Often, by default, people own shares in the companies they work for. Sometimes this ends up not being a sound investment.

Just my two cents.


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