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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 05:18:46 pm »
The best casting choice, Kevin Spacey as Luthor was wasted on an inferior film.


Actually, next to Gene Hackman, Michael Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor was far superior.  :)

Gene Hackman's Luthor sucks donkey balls. Michael Rosenbaum had the benefit of several years playing the character and getting to know him and own it. But at the end of the day Rosembaun's is just a teenage girl wet dream version of Lex Luthor. Spacey had a couple scenes in which he blew them both out of the water. That scene with the kryptonite shard was insane. Spacey is better than Hackman because he plays Luthor straight. No goofing around. He is a shark. Sadly the movie is a bore fest.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 05:13:41 pm »
That's not the reason the movie sucked. It was due to Singer infatuation with the Donner's movies. Returns is take by take a remake of Superman the movie. Scenes and dialogues are virtually copy/pasted from film to film. Sheere unoriginality that's what killed SR



This is simply not true.

The television series, 'Smallville' has a lot more in common with the original 'Superman' movie directed by Richard Donner  than 'superman returns'.

'superman returns' was truly awful... as in, god-awful.  :-[
Smallville was crap too. Too trapped in the past. too trapped in the gooffball Clark Kent who couldn't learn to fly even though every other kryptonian appearing in the show flew right away. A pile of nostalgic crap just like Superman returns.

In Smallville Clark wasn't a goofball like Donner's Clark Kent. If anything he was angsty, earnest, and at times a bit too somber (when he was the Blur but dressed more like the Punisher). There was some humor in Smallville but I don't remember much of it coming from Clark being overly nerdy like Reeve's Kent. And Clark was a victim of the "no tights, no flight" rule that went on far beyond its expiration date. It had nothing to do with him being a goofball.

I thought Smallville did a pretty good job paying homage to the Donner films while con-temporizing Superman for today's audience. Whereas with Superman Returns I think it was a slavish attempt to latch onto the Donner films without the charm and appeal of the Donner/Reeve's cast. The story also lacked enough action and super feats and the lifting of the kryptonite-island was just too much, the one super feat in the film that actually shouldn't have been done. The best casting choice, Kevin Spacey as Luthor was wasted on an inferior film.
I liked Smallville for the first couple of seasons when I thought it was going to last only for 3 or 4 seasons. Then they started to delay the outcome and it got boring and convoluted real fast. Never liked the idea of Clark and Luthor knowing each other in Smallville. By goofball I meant "dense". They made him dumb and indecisive on purpose to elongate the plot. I think the series got hindered by been part of the CW known for their soap operish style aimed at teenage girls. Hated that nonsense of the blur. It was like they were ashamed of Superman. Yeah let's have Clark doing Superman stuff but we won't call him Superman and he will be dressed like The Crow or The Punisher. Also instead of hiring an actor let's hire an underwear model to play the part.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 05:03:25 pm »
How can any human being hate on an universe that gave us John Stewart?



Because I know more about how dc comics does 'business' than you do...

I know more about the racists that worked at dc comics than you do...

That's why I despise dc comics.

I'd be more concerned with the racists that work there today. Are there any racists working there today?

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 04:18:46 pm »
Battle: You can talk about a movie you haven't watched. Let's leave it at that.



You've got that right!  :D


This HEF thread has become far too 'dc comics-centric' for me as I despise dc comics and most of the characters to even care to discuss.
I shall bow out gracefully from this.

I meant "Can't" but whatever lol.

How can any human being hate on an universe that gave us John Stewart? But also reduced him to eternal 3rd fiddle. I hope it is truth that they want John as their main Green Lantern for the Cinematic DC universe.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 04:15:58 pm »
When Superman was created, he was a bully who would kill.

Then they changed him to be more kid friendly and the Comic Code Authority locked that in.

It was changed once.

DC is changing it again.   In the ComIcs he is becoming harder.   He is acting at times closer to his original 1940's Version.   What you are seeing is DC had decided they don't want Superman to be the noble, paragon of goodness.   They want him to be darker.   This isn't the movies alone,  it is DC as a whole.   The Superman you are talking about is going away.


which is a sign of poor writing and a bankrupt editorial vision. they can't picture a superhero who isn't dark at their core. as a result, ALL superheroes must have that core.


It's not only simplistic, it's short-sighted and, thus, doomed to fail.

If you feel like it pick up Action Comics by Greg Pak. Superman is not dark at all. He's just a kid who lost his adoptive parents at 17 and since then has to be making things up as life comes. But he is still the big guy who defends the little ones. In my opinion Superman is more super than ever.


I wouldn't know. Until i see what they let David Walker do with Cyborg, DC comics are dead to me. Didio's track record is just too sh*tty.

Man, I'm waiting for Cyborg's comic to drop as well. Hope it is good.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 04:03:16 pm »
When Superman was created, he was a bully who would kill.

Then they changed him to be more kid friendly and the Comic Code Authority locked that in.

It was changed once.

DC is changing it again.   In the ComIcs he is becoming harder.   He is acting at times closer to his original 1940's Version.   What you are seeing is DC had decided they don't want Superman to be the noble, paragon of goodness.   They want him to be darker.   This isn't the movies alone,  it is DC as a whole.   The Superman you are talking about is going away.


which is a sign of poor writing and a bankrupt editorial vision. they can't picture a superhero who isn't dark at their core. as a result, ALL superheroes must have that core.


It's not only simplistic, it's short-sighted and, thus, doomed to fail.

If you feel like it pick up Action Comics by Greg Pak. Superman is not dark at all. He's just a kid who lost his adoptive parents at 17 and since then has to be making things up as life comes. But he is still the big guy who defends the little ones. In my opinion Superman is more super than ever.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 03:58:46 pm »
When Superman was created, he was a bully who would kill.

Then they changed him to be more kid friendly and the Comic Code Authority locked that in.

It was changed once.

DC is changing it again.   In the ComIcs he is becoming harder.   He is acting at times closer to his original 1940's Version.   What you are seeing is DC had decided they don't want Superman to be the noble, paragon of goodness.   They want him to be darker.   This isn't the movies alone,  it is DC as a whole.   The Superman you are talking about is going away.

In the comics the original ones Superman bullied bullys. If you liked to beat your wife.  If you had a good time making other people's lives miserable he would f*ck you up. Current Superman is no where near that hard. He's tough of course. He has regained some of that grit he lost when Byrne and his ilk turned into a pansy farmboy. But he's just grown a backbone and as he has said a couple of times since Flash Point: He doesn't like to punch down. Pa Kent taught him to punch up.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 03:54:17 pm »
Actually no Redjack. A lot of people died when the huge Daily Planet globe came crashed down thru the building itself. It's a cartoon but in all logic plenty of people died there.



Regarding murder... No, just no. Self defence is not murder. What Superman did in MOS doesn't constitute murder under any legal system in the world. Not even wrongful death. Superman doesn't exist from the 1950's. He is amongst us since the 1938 and back then he killed and he was a gritty vigilante bringing hardboiled justice on crooked politicians and wife beaters alike.
If he murdered Zod then he also murdered Doomsday. What was he supposed to do? Let Doomsday wipe every lifeform in the planet? You call it lazy writing but doing the opposite is lazy too. Oh let's create this perfect scenario in which Superman never has to make a hard choice. He just wins in the end because bad guy gets all teary due to his heroism or a great speech.

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Seem to remember reading while lurking pages and pages of complains about how Shuri was eyeing the Wolves... Or were the Doras?

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 03:34:25 pm »
By the way Redjack in that youtube video Superman flew through several buildings. I wonder how many were killed?
And how did Batman make to survive a backhand from Darkseid? He's just a normal human after all. Yup I forgot it was Bruce Timm's universe where Batman can do anything and Superman is a weak punk ass.

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Shuri was just a panel or so to be the next notch on Wolverine's belt of conquests. So what's your point?

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 03:23:59 pm »
I think both films were created by people who absolutely failed to understand Superman. While Superman Returns was a bad Superman film, it tried hard to actually be a Superman film. It failed, yes, but it was absolutely trying to be a Superman movie.


Man of Steel is not a Superman film. The people behind it do not understand Superman and the same people are behind Batman v Superman. It will be crappy in precisely the same way as MoS.  The entire point of pairing the two characters is that they are opposites.


Both Batman and Superman in the Snyder-verse are basically the same person, i.e. men with tragic pasts with broken psyches (Batman by rage, Kal by fear) who can't solve any of their problems without murdering their opponents.


While a soft case can be made for Batman being little more than a crazy vigilante (although why anyone wants to see that is beyond me) a fearful Superman, one who can't outthink his villains is not Superman.

We haven't seen this version of Batman in action yet so how could you possibly know Batman has killed anyone in this iteration of the character? Tim Burton's Batman bombed factories with people inside. Nolan's Batman allowed a man to die in a trainwreck. Superman back in the 30's killed criminals or allowed them to die. In comics John Byrne Superman summarly executed General Zod by exposing him and his cronies to lethal kryptonite radiation. Years later, that same Superman fought and killed the creature known as Doomsday. (Lots of people died during that fight because the monster just like Zod and the kryptonians in MOS refused to fight away from populated areas) Killing is part of the legend on this characters. In MOS Superman killed Zod as a last resort after every other possible way to stop him was exhausted. If you think that Superman is all about smiling to the camera and downing cats from tree branches it is you who doesn't know anything about Superman. Snyder had the balls to pit Superman against enemies that wouldn't simply stand there talking while he flew someone away from danger.


Not only has Batman killed in the movies his actions have led to the death of multiple civilians. You might be able to get away with that by presenting him as a ruthless , PUNISHER-esque vigilante but that's the only way. THAT version of Batman would, in no way, be classified as a hero, super or otherwise.


More to the point, Superman murdering Zod was an example of sh*tty writing and exposed a flaw in the writer's understanding of who and what Clark Kent is. Superman isn't the story of Kal El, the son of Jor and Lara. It's the story of Clark Kent, the son of Martha and Jonathan.If you don't understand what that means, you don't understand Superman. The creators of MoS clearly did not understand what that means, NOR did the creators of Superman Returns. In any case, no one was presenting the 1930s version of either of these characters.


You know who DID understand Clark as well as Batman? The guy who wrote this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQabrSpKcJw


The people who made both the recent "superman" films did and do not understand this fundamental thing and, as a result, wrote sh*tty versions of the character albeit dressed up really nice with some awesome fight sequences and FX. Superman isn't about the super powers. If you think he is, you've missed the point too.


If you think you're talking to someone who doesn't know a sh*tLOAD about how to construct a compelling character you need to step back a pace and regroup. No one has said Superman is about saving cats in trees. If someone said that, and you disagree, go find them and argue with them.


That guy isn't here.

You're talking about John Byrne's Superman also known as post-crisis Superman. Or as I call him "Spidermanized Superman".
The thing is there's not a single version of Superman so you can't say someone's take is not correct. That Spidermanized Superman killed Zod and his kryptonian allies with kryptonite after they had already been turned powerless. They were no longer a threat but John Byrne's Superman aka post crisis Superman aka pre-flashpoint Superman executed them.

And in MOS Superman did not murder Zod. If you say Superman murdered Zod then every cop that has ever killed a criminal to defend himself and others is a murderer. Then you must allow yourself to be killed instead of fighting back otherwise you'd be a murderer. And yes I know Superman is not a cop but self defence applies to him as well as anyone else. MOS is Superman actually facing a not so easy situation without the benefit of the writer tailoring a perfect outcome from him. Yeah he could have chosen not killing Zod but then Zod would have massacred 7 billions humans just to get back at him.


PS: According to you Tim Burton's Batman is not a hero and neither is Nolan's? Is that what you mean?



Battle: You can talk about a movie you haven't watched. Let's leave it at that.

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Shuri's is one of the most important contributions not only to the Black Panther franchise but the comic book industry itself; as such, her creation should not be called into question. It wasn't Shuri who took anything from Tchalla, it was Maberry, Arron, Hickman and if I'm being honest Hudlin.
 
Shuri is unique among so called black characters. Unlike Storm who was created to be a so-called minority character, designed to help diversify a predominately white male team while simultaneously morphing into a white fanboy's fetish symbol; Shuri represented a sovereign cultural integrity exemplified by royal familial bonds that gave Afrakan women and girls a heroine to identify with.

Unfortunately Ororo was a cultural time bomb ready for detonation the moment she came in proximity to any other Afrakan (so called Black). Reggie's attempts to defuse Storm were undermined once he stopped writing her. However it was under Hudlin (and the artists with him during much of his tenure) that Shuri  (and the re-imaged Dora Milaje) helped to redefine and promote an often under valued aesthetic.  Shuri came to epitomize not only the warrior but responsible ruler-ship, a true Black Panther.

For all the lip service paid to such concepts as diversity and so called minority representation it seems natural to have a Shuri, Queen Divine Justice and Dora Milaje as much as a Ororo, Monet St Croix and a Misty Knight.

Thus a more credible argument would be structured around the lack of detail in outlining Wakandan ascendancy to the throne and the consistency in maintaining such. A broader approach to that argument would be the fleshing out of the entirety of Wakandan society and culture.

Shuri is just a retcon that undermined T'Challa in every possible way. Dark meat for the Wolverine to feast upon. Don't delude yourself.

The only way that statement could be true is if Reggie created her to dilute BP and. ..I won't dignify the rest. 

Yes,  she is a recont.   Marvel let Reggie do a soft reboot on BP.  Got rid of the tumor,  gave him a sister.  So.   Not the first recont.  Won't be the last.   That is standard fare for comics.

What is more dilution than having him crippled and replaced by his sister? I don't think that was Hudlin's intention when he originally created the character but it was exactly what happened.

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Marvel didn't need a viable female character. It had dozens of viable female characters it has Storm and it has Monica Rambeu. We only have one T'Challa one black male of African origin and they took him away and replaced him with a new honey for Wolverine. Every line uttered by Shuri every scene and every adventure she was involved was screen time taken from T'Challa. By the way she was chumped too. So much that she's dead.

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Latest Flicks / Re: Batman v Superman
« on: April 27, 2015, 01:15:14 pm »
That's not the reason the movie sucked. It was due to Singer infatuation with the Donner's movies. Returns is take by take a remake of Superman the movie. Scenes and dialogues are virtually copy/pasted from film to film. Sheere unoriginality that's what killed SR



This is simply not true.

The television series, 'Smallville' has a lot more in common with the original 'Superman' movie directed by Richard Donner  than 'superman returns'.

'superman returns' was truly awful... as in, god-awful.  :-[
Smallville was crap too. Too trapped in the past. too trapped in the gooffball Clark Kent who couldn't learn to fly even though every other kryptonian appearing in the show flew right away. A pile of nostalgic crap just like Superman returns.

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