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Black Panther / Re: BP - 19
« on: August 31, 2006, 08:44:04 pm »
that is definitely an out-of-character thing for Doom. He's a great many things, but racist has never been one of them, to my knowledge. And yes, if you're familiar with the character, it's a bit offensive to see him being portrayed that way.

Word.

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Black Panther / Re: BP - 19
« on: August 31, 2006, 07:54:18 pm »
Hello everyone,

I am (quite obviously) new here.  I am a massive fan of T'Challa and have been my entire comics reading life.

I just purchased #19 today, and had a MAJOR question about a particular part.

Doom: I've always said the African is a superior physical specimen.
T'Challa: Finish the sentence Doom. "...which compensates for his lack of intellect."
Doom: Generally true, yes. But clearly the Wakandan is exceptional. Perhaps a low-grade mutant strain in your peoples' DNA.

This scene makes Doom come off a racist, something he never has been in his 30+ years of history.  If anything, his hatred of everyone is quite color blind.  I was just wondering if the scene was meant to convey Doom has having racist issues, or if I'm just reading too much into it?

Doom definetly comes off as racist in that exchange. I've never known Doom to be a racist in the past, but matters like consistancy don't matter much around these parts.

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Black Panther / Re: BP - 22 ***spoiler alert*** maybe
« on: August 30, 2006, 06:57:30 pm »
I don't know the answer to your question, but I do want to see how Hudlin handles a BP vs. IM fight. My guess is he'll have Black Panther win in a clear, but unentertaining match.

I guess haters just gotta hate.

LOL, I can't win. If I said I thought the fight was going to be great, I'd be lying. If I say I think the fight is going to be weak, I'm hating. What's a guy to do?


Why do you think you have to say anything? We know you don't like the book. You didn't like the past issues, or the current one, and you won't like the ones coming out in the future.

We GET it.

I do like certain things about the book (and dislike a lot more), but I don't want to go down that road again.
If previous books are any indication, the art won't dissapoint.Suffice it to say that I hope this fight is done well, no matter the out come.

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Black Panther / Re: BP - 22 ***spoiler alert*** maybe
« on: August 30, 2006, 05:03:02 pm »
I don't know the answer to your question, but I do want to see how Hudlin handles a BP vs. IM fight. My guess is he'll have Black Panther win in a clear, but unentertaining match.

I guess haters just gotta hate.

LOL, I can't win. If I said I thought the fight was going to be great, I'd be lying. If I say I think the fight is going to be weak, I'm hating. What's a guy to do?

I could tell you why I think the fight might be boring, but I don't want to rehash old arguements. Don't force my hand.

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Black Panther / Re: BP - 22 ***spoiler alert*** maybe
« on: August 29, 2006, 04:23:32 pm »
***SPOILER ALERT*** Dont read below if you dont wanna know! (imma poet)

Just a spoiler alert because what Im typing about is in the newest Marvel Previews that is due out tomorrow.


The previews show BP is carrying a black sword while fighting Iron-Man when they come to visit a "civil war torn" US.  I know BP and Storm visited Atlantis and the Moon also after Latvernia.

My question to RH or anyone else is...is that black sword a BP design or did he get it from someone like the Black Knight while visiting the Moon or somthing?

I don't know the answer to your question, but I do want to see how Hudlin handles a BP vs. IM fight. My guess is he'll have Black Panther win in a clear, but unentertaining match. Then again, Iron Man is a major figure these days, so I'm sure Marvel will keep him from getting too dirty; gotta keep his stock high. So, final prediction, there'll be a "tie" some how. I don't mind that, but it's all in how the match becomes a tie.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: August 29, 2006, 01:19:14 pm »
Now if Cage could give a Black woman some love and be a real brotha.....but we won't go there!
*Shakes head in disgust* Yeah, lets not go there.

Back on topic.....this may be the highest commercial success in the history of the Panther character so Hudlin is definitely doing something right.....to all the haters this is pie in your face!   :)
You do know that the idea of marrying Storm to BP didn't originate with Hudlin, right?

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Black Panther / Re: Why Is The World Tour Ending So Soon???
« on: August 22, 2006, 05:34:22 pm »
Oh Snap!  BP is kickin Iron Ass!!  ;D




Thats some nice looking armor. Here's to a good fight.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: August 14, 2006, 07:08:54 am »
Every fight shouldn't have to end with the Panther looking worse than the guy he beat.  If 99% of the heroes of the Marvel Universe can walk away from fight without losing several pints of blood every issue, T'Challa shouldn't have to.

This quote provokes a lot of thought.

Firstly, I think the people PBP (Priests Black Panther) fought were deadly adversaries, and to have PBP walk away unscathed would do his adversaries, and there for PBP a disservice (after all, if you can walk away undamaged from a fight, you must not be fighting the best out there). PBP took heavy damage from Killmonger (The guy who has Panthers number-Point blank, he can whoop Panther), Ironman, and Iron Fist. There is no shame in getting defeated by any of them. But PBP wasnt defeated (except by Killmonger); He tied Ironman (a more impressive feat than beating Sabertooth), and tied Iron Fist! I don't know how anyone can complain about that.

Also, I'm one of the readers who doesn't like my heroes to be invincible. Victories mean so much more when they are earned in blood and pain.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: August 13, 2006, 05:15:47 pm »
Oh, please no....not McGregor's Panther.

Don't get me wrong, I liked it for the most part, but I got soooo tired of seeing T'Challa looking like he'd been through a meat grinder EVERY issue.  He literally ended every issue with the Panther bloodied and tattered.

Let's not go back to that.

Getting wrecked yet triumphing > Walking through your adversaries.

*Has fond memories of Panther tieing Iron Man leaving them both incapacitaded in a wrecked White House*

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: August 13, 2006, 03:05:49 pm »
 You may care about the characters, but they're just colors on a paper

I disagree. Is Gatsby of The Great Gatsby just words on paper? No characters have a history and personality. They, the good ones anyway, represent some part of who we should or should not be and exist in a world off pages.

there is fiction and non fiction, this is FICTION
Whats your point? The Great Gatsby is fiction too.

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Black Panther / Re: In the Time it took to make this thread?
« on: August 13, 2006, 03:02:04 pm »
I guess that I'm the only one that is appreciative of Loren's post.  Now I can just look at the series as a reboot and stop asking myself questions.

Thanks, Loren!

You are not alone. I co-sign this post. And its too bad Hudlin didn't just make this clear from the begining. Ah well, we know now.

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Black Panther / Re: what is wrong with spears!?
« on: August 13, 2006, 07:19:13 am »
There were some cool spears in Priest's Black Panther (PBP).

T'Challa had a solid gold straight spear that had some kind of thread wraped around it. IIRC, it was Bashenga's Spear. It was probably the worst looking one.

Killmonger had a three pronged spear with a wooden handle. There is also some technological enhancements on the handle (purpose unknown).

Malice had a spear that could de-assembled into two or three peices for portability.

Man-Ape had the best spear (even though it was more like a lance). It was solid metal, prongs at both ends and a and gaurd. My discription doesn't do it justice; this thing was sick!

I understand there were spears in the most recent Avengers movie. I didn't see it yet, but I'm not at all opposed to the idea of spears in general.

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Black Panther / Re: In the Time it took to make this thread?
« on: August 12, 2006, 11:57:21 am »
I'd highly doubt changes were ever made to any Super Hero's history that didn't upset someone. So to act like those displeased with the change to Panther's history  are some new part of some new phenomena is ridiculous. There will be fans of the changes and there will be those displeased with the changes. It's to be expected.

A total strawman argument.  I never said or suggested that the hero revisions I cited didn't have their critics.
My point was they were hugely popular, in that the people that liked them far outnumbered the relative few that didn't.

And yes, there are fans that will always be displeased with changes.  But one would think, at some point, those same fans would get over it and move on.  When Priest took over the Panther title in 1998, how many fans of Don McGregor and Jack Kirby -- who wrote the title in the 1970s -- did you see flooding the message boards complaining because Priest's Panther was nothing like their versions?  And of those, how many of them were still complaining years later after Priest's run had started?  How many of them were bitching because the Black Musketeers (from Kirby's run) or King Cadaver (from McGregor's run) were virtually ignored in Priest's run.  Few, if any.

At some point, those not pleased with this series probably will drop it and move on. Most will anyway. As for the lack of disgruntled McGregor, and Kirby fans  complaining about Priest, well, Priests run was seen as a clear improvement over Kirby's run, and one that does justice to McGregor's-by and large, anyway.

So I guess as much as people dislike change, the dislike is magnified when the changes are seen as sloppy, or bad for any other number of reasons.

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Black Panther / Re: In the Time it took to make this thread?
« on: August 12, 2006, 06:21:43 am »
I'd highly doubt changes were ever made to any Super Hero's history that didn't upset someone. So to act like those displeased with the change to Panther's history  are some new part of some new phenomena is ridiculous. There will be fans of the changes and there will be those displeased with the changes. It's to be expected.

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Black Panther / Re: In the Time it took to make this thread?
« on: August 11, 2006, 04:58:24 pm »
I don't get why its a big deal with BP being retconned or rebooted. It happens ALL THE TIME IN COMICS! Why is it such a big deal now?

Thats easy:People were really fond of Panther's history. I'd imagine this would happen with any other character too. Like if Spiderman was rebooted so that he wasn't raised by Aunt May and Uncle Ben, but was raised by his parents.

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