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Latest Flicks / Re: CAPTAIN AMERICA
« on: July 25, 2011, 01:34:32 pm »
One of the most memorable film experiences I had recently.

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 20, 2011, 03:43:25 pm »
You are right they don't have all the time in the world, but a few lines here or there would maybe elevate bit characters to characters that you actually care about, especially since Angel and Darwin had some of the biggest transformations in the film. Angel turning and Darwin dying. More time was spent on showing Banshee how to fly or Havok how to control his powers. And as I said before Beast and Mystique got to talk about more about the issues at the heart of it. I wish that Angel and Darwin could've done that, with a reference or two thrown in there.

Angel's turn would have been nice like seeing Sean or Alex be like "what are you doing??" during the fight scene would have been nice, a little tribute to Darwin's sacrifice would have been great, you're preaching to the converted on that one.  However, I would have preferred less of all the kids in favor of more Erik/Charles scenes to be honest with you

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 20, 2011, 03:28:31 pm »
Civil Rights was a domestic issue that encapsulated a larger issue, a human rights issue, a global issue that was also occurring at that time, the independence movements sweeping the globe. Though the movie wasn't completely based in the US, a good deal of it was, and in the South to boot. So, Angel or Darwin should be so trusting of these other white mutants? And these white mutants should be so trusting of them? Being a mutant trumps race? Or should it be something a bit more complicated? As I said it was a missed opportunity, not only to honor the legacy of the X-Men (which the movie did with, filmwise anyway, with the cameos and including Magneto's backstory), but also to flesh out Darwin and Angel. As for economy, they didn't need to show Magneto Nazi-hunting (even though I thought it was cool; they could've sliced off some time from that and just show him arriving to take on Shaw and I think we would've gotten the point).

Like I said, I can't defend the treatment of the tokens, but even then I'd rather see Magneto own some Nazi's rather than a couple more lines for bit characters, plus the scene in Argentina was one of the better parts of the movie.  Plus it showed Erik's savagery and how far he'd go in his quest for revenge.  I would have liked to see more of Charles and Erik's debates about mutants and humans personally and maybe develop their friendship more on screen, but they don't have all the time in the world. 

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 20, 2011, 12:00:47 pm »
I'm not saying that what you described won't happen, though I doubt it. I can see them expanding more on the mutant v. human conflict and if you close your eyes and imagine, you can read race/Civil Rights in those discussions.  I don't think they have as much incentive to address the issue as they did in this film.

For one, who knew if they would get another film, two, who knows if the second film will take place in the 60s? It could take place in the 70s, 80s, or 90s for all we know. Granted, many of us might consider Civil Rights an ongoing issue, but I doubt that is a widespread feeling among whites, plus the hightide of Civil Rights activism was the 50s-60s. I think XFC just missed a nice opportunity.


I'm saying that the opportunity is bigger because the Civil Rights angle will fit into the story now.  As I said before the Holocaust and Missile Crisis were only there and only mentioned as to advance the plot.  Hell besides those two events and a JFK speech the film came off as a timeless setting with very little lingo, clothes, technology from the 60s.

The main point of the film was about the development of Erik and Charles and how they met/parted company to pursue their own goals.  There was no real reason to just throw a bone at the CRM and no real reason to raise an eyebrow about it, the only historical things mentioned were for the advancement of the plot.  Now with the success of the first film there's bound to be sequel.  Bryan Singer mentioned that in a sequel touching on the Civil Rights movement is possible.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/06/x-men-first-class-james-mcavoy-magneto-xavier-sequel-singer-vaughn.html

Now while I think the way they handled Darwin and Angel was tacky I don't find fault with the Civil Rights angle yet because I think they streamlined everything to tell their story

BTW you make great conversation, thanks


I disagree. The whole rift between Charles and Erik is centered around the ideas of prejudice and how do you address it: resistance or accomodation/assimilation. These issues were even given quite a bit of screentime with the conversations between Beast and Mystique. And these are some of the key issues of the Civil Rights Movement. I don't see how a reference to Civil Rights, like in X1 or X3, affected those stories in a negative way or threw them off their game. It just gave just acknowledgement.

I think some people opposed to the inclusion of civil rights in XFC believe that supporters are calling for another plot or sidestory to be added. I, for one, am not. I think it could've added some color so to speak to what was already there and juxtaposed the mutant and black situations, not to mention perhaps giving Angel and Darwin something to talk about, or the others in relation to them.

By your reasoning there was no real reason to include the Cuban Missile Crisis or Cold War politics in the film. That's not how the story went in the comics anyway. They chose to center the film around that. With the Holocaust it is understood that that's a big part of Magneto's backstory, so I got that. But they could've gone in any direction they wanted to to fill out the rest. The director seemed to want to make a Bond type film and added a fictional account of the Cuban Missile Crisis by choice. The idea that he ignored the Civil Rights Movement, perhaps the biggest domestic issue facing the US at that time, irks me. Well a sequel 'touching' on that is possible, I'm not holding my breath, and if they do it, it will be the lightest touch they probably can devise.


From what I saw, they included only what was needed to move the story, the Holocaust as we agree made Magneto, but even with that, it wasn't the holocaust that was touched on as much as that event with Shaw that drove Magneto.  And with the Missile Crisis, that event was used just as a Global threat for the X-Men to stop, nothing more.  Besides the previous X-Men films, very little else got any nods or references.  Yes the Civil Rights Movement was a big domestic issue for the US, but the movie wasn't about Domestic US issues, alot of the settings weren't even in America.

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 20, 2011, 09:37:55 am »
I'm not saying that what you described won't happen, though I doubt it. I can see them expanding more on the mutant v. human conflict and if you close your eyes and imagine, you can read race/Civil Rights in those discussions.  I don't think they have as much incentive to address the issue as they did in this film.

For one, who knew if they would get another film, two, who knows if the second film will take place in the 60s? It could take place in the 70s, 80s, or 90s for all we know. Granted, many of us might consider Civil Rights an ongoing issue, but I doubt that is a widespread feeling among whites, plus the hightide of Civil Rights activism was the 50s-60s. I think XFC just missed a nice opportunity.


I'm saying that the opportunity is bigger because the Civil Rights angle will fit into the story now.  As I said before the Holocaust and Missile Crisis were only there and only mentioned as to advance the plot.  Hell besides those two events and a JFK speech the film came off as a timeless setting with very little lingo, clothes, technology from the 60s.

The main point of the film was about the development of Erik and Charles and how they met/parted company to pursue their own goals.  There was no real reason to just throw a bone at the CRM and no real reason to raise an eyebrow about it, the only historical things mentioned were for the advancement of the plot.  Now with the success of the first film there's bound to be sequel.  Bryan Singer mentioned that in a sequel touching on the Civil Rights movement is possible.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/06/x-men-first-class-james-mcavoy-magneto-xavier-sequel-singer-vaughn.html

Now while I think the way they handled Darwin and Angel was tacky I don't find fault with the Civil Rights angle yet because I think they streamlined everything to tell their story

BTW you make great conversation, thanks

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 20, 2011, 08:11:16 am »
The Holocaust and the Cuban Missile Crisis were touched on because they were essential points to the plot of the movie.  The movie isn't about all the major issues of the sixties, it's a fantasy story about the rift between Xavier and Magneto, that's what they were trying to do.  Take it easy guys
Honestly those 2 are the most drawn out parts of the 60s that will always and always been addressed.


Furthermore, I don't buy that 'let's wait and see' stuff. They had two black characters on the team in this movie. As it stands they have no black characters on the team at the end of the movie, so you really think they are going to address racial issues in a second film? XFC gave them the perfect opportunity to juxtapose the fight for mutant and civil rights, their similarities and their differences. What incentive is there to do it now?

I wasn't asking for a Civil Rights subplot, but it would've been nice if it had factored into the characters of Angel and Darwin. All I wanted was a mention, a shout out like in X1 and X3.  

The possibility of racial issues being addressed is very possible in the second film because at the end of the film they first film they established the "Mankind vs Mutant" dynamic that drove Erik and Charles apart.  In the first film it was just about them discovering their own gifts and the existences of others like them. 

When they stopped the threat at the end, then the humans turned on them setting the stage for the next film where this is now not a just an opportunity for a mention of the Civil Rights Movement but now there's a huge opening for it to be a major part of the storyline with the general public possibly being alerted to the existence of mutants and the crazy backlash that inspires.  Coupled with Xavier and Magneto taking their stands on their views between humans and mutants I think there's a bigger incentive of them bringing this up than you think.

That being said, I can't defend their treatment of the token characters.

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 18, 2011, 08:23:13 pm »
The Holocaust and the Cuban Missile Crisis were touched on because they were essential points to the plot of the movie.  The movie isn't about all the major issues of the sixties, it's a fantasy story about the rift between Xavier and Magneto, that's what they were trying to do.  Take it easy guys
Honestly those 2 are the most drawn out parts of the 60s that will always and always been addressed.

They are only there to show the origin of Magneto and make the setting of the rift between him and Xavier

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 18, 2011, 08:22:00 pm »
All I care is if the actor has the character down. That is it. Of course they wont use a "plus sized woman" but honestly all it is complaining about "how she looks".


...but don't you understand?   Hollywood and Hollywood movies is all about appearances or "how you look".


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The Holocaust and the Cuban Missile Crisis were touched on because they were essential points to the plot of the movie.  The movie isn't about all the major issues of the sixties, it's a fantasy story about the rift between Xavier and Magneto, that's what they were trying to do.  Take it easy guys




I tend to agree w/ a lot of other folk's opinion that X-Men: First Class deliberately misses what the original intent of the 1960s comicbook was all about which was commentary about teen agnst,  being misunderstood and racial predjudice; these were all very vivid issues of that era. You don't have to beat the viewers over the head with the concept in the movie but you also cannot pretend the civil rights movement never happened in that timeline  either, y'know.


It isn't about pretending the civil rights movement didn't happen, it's just that the Civil Rights Movement had nothing directly to do with the plot.  The movie was about how Magneto and Professor X came to be and why they're on opposing sides.  The real life events touched upon were only featured as they were necessary to the plot.  The holocaust is featured only as it relates to Magneto and Shaw, and the Missile Crisis is important to the main plot.

The X-Men are just being formed, when they get fully active and people start to discover mutants, then the racial elements will come in to play and we'll see how Hollywood manages that but until then let's keep our fingers off the button

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 18, 2011, 03:31:56 pm »


If Xavier's integrationist attitude is naive (and it is), I'd argue that Magneto's faith in violence and ethnic nationalism is equally so. For me, that really is the beauty of the film. I don't think it can be reduced to who is "right." As Magneto says, Xavier thinks all humans are like Moira. And as Xavier replies, Magneto thinks all humans are like Shaw.


I came away thinking that both views in and of themselves lead to disaster.  Xavier is as quoted naive to a deadly fault, and Magneto is reckless and overaggressive to the same end.  Neither side pays any attention to the consequences of their paths, Xavier just believes humanity will someday just up and change it's mind, and Magneto just rages on intent on making humanity suffer for his pain. 

The only way for them is to work together and hammer out their differences because they need each other.  You can't go to war with humanity, and you can't just wait on them to accept you either. 

SPOILERS!!!



The scene on the beach sums it up perfectly, Charles needs a Magneto to stop those missiles and Magneto needed Charles to stop him from returning them to sender

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Latest Flicks / Re: X-men First Class!
« on: June 18, 2011, 03:15:13 pm »
come to think of it they missed on a golden opportunity to sneak in the civil rights movement
That's the biggest failure of the film.  They touched on the Holocaust and the Cuban Missle Crisis but didn't use the "Malcolm/Martin" debate which made the X Men relevant in the first place.
That's the thing. If they want to talk about "equal rights" and "civil rights" they could have at least have video footage of their speeches discussing this same topic.
They could have easily slipped it in during the montage, I think they ignored it on purpose.
But hey everybody lets just pretend none of this sh*t happened so it'll all go away unless it is about the holocaust and how evil the nazis were again.  ::)



The Holocaust and the Cuban Missile Crisis were touched on because they were essential points to the plot of the movie.  The movie isn't about all the major issues of the sixties, it's a fantasy story about the rift between Xavier and Magneto, that's what they were trying to do.  Take it easy guys

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Latest Flicks / Re: GREEN LANTERN
« on: June 17, 2011, 10:36:27 pm »



SPOILERS!!!








Would it have killed them to have some kind of leadup to Sinestro taking the ring?

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Sports Talk / Re: UFC 128: Shogun VS Jones
« on: April 05, 2011, 11:55:23 pm »
dang man your picks been off lately fam, lol. What's going on? Didn't you learn from Wesley, always bet on BLACK! Jones is the truth! No, seriously, check out what he was doing hours before he became the youngest UFC champion ever
http://www.mmamania.com/2011/3/19/2060696/jon-jones-twitter-details-his-subduing-a-thief-after-robbery-attempt


Hey, even Jordan missed a shot every now and then. 8)

I never imagined Jones was that good and that Shogun could be that bad. While I praise Jones on a historic victory I can't help but think that Rua wasn't 100%.

Lets see how long the young man can rumble at the top of the mountain.


Shogun was 100%, he just ate a knee to the face

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Sports Talk / Re: LET'S GET IT ON! The all-encompassing MMA thread
« on: March 01, 2011, 10:38:20 am »
IMO Jon Fitch lost the first two rounds 10-9 each but won the last round 10-8 making it a draw

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Sports Talk / Re: Finally! The Rock has come back to WWE RAW!
« on: February 21, 2011, 04:49:01 pm »
Almost forgot what a real entertainer.  7 years fly by and Rock is still lightyears ahead of everybody.

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And Jordan needs to chill too. He won all his championships with brand new Hall of Famer Scottie Pippen. Pip is easily top 50 all-time, probably somewhere between 20 -30.
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Everybody needs to get off his case, from what I understand about the current state of free agency no players have ever been in the position Bron, Wade and Bosh are in.  Jordan and Barkley played on the teams they played for because they never had much choice.  They couldn't do what Lebron did whether they wanted to or not.  Sounds like jealousy on these guys part

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