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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:47:35 pm »
 You may care about the characters, but they're just colors on a paper

I disagree. Is Gatsby of The Great Gatsby just words on paper? No characters have a history and personality. They, the good ones anyway, represent some part of who we should or should not be and exist in a world off pages.

Comic book are no Gatsby IMO, but I feel what you're saying.  With this Panther, I look at him like you said, who we should be, and I love following his exploits every month, but at the end of the day, he is just an ink blot, those are just words on a paper, and unlike Gatsby, which is pretty solid in novel, comics are way more subject to change.  Sometimes things go in ways you don't approve of, that's life, time to move on.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:37:18 pm »
It's called being a fan.  People care about the characters and want their opinions, whether for or against the current product, heard.

That's the point.  They care.

It's called a waste of time.  You may care about the characters, but they're just colors on a paper and the people pulling the strings obviously are not feeling your views on how it should be done so railing against a product you don't support is merely of chasing after the wind.

And likewise, they can't feel your support.

Let's close up this forum and stop wasting time.

It's a nice place to fellowship with fellow Panther fans and being that this is his website, he probably does feel my support a lil bit.  Positivity >  Dissenion almost everytime.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:30:23 pm »
It's called being a fan.  People care about the characters and want their opinions, whether for or against the current product, heard.

That's the point.  They care.

It's called a waste of time.  You may care about the characters, but they're just colors on a paper and the people pulling the strings obviously are not feeling your views on how it should be done so railing against a product you don't support is merely of chasing after the wind.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:22:26 pm »
As it reads in my signature: Reginald Hudlin's Black Panther IS THE Black Panther.

Everytime I read that sentence, I die a little inside.  :(

Hudlins Panther is nowhere near as regal or intellegent as Priests BP. And those two characteristics are what should best define BP.

I read very little of Priests Panther, just part of the Captain America story and snippets from his interactions with Storm.  And while it was well written, I wasn't able to connect with that character like I am with Hudlin's.  Priest's Panther (PBP) was a lil too mysterious and unreachable for my tastes.  HBP is inteligent but not the mad scientist type like PBP.  He's always using his abilities to help others.  He's sincere, direct, encouraging and accessible to people, and I can't say that about anything I've read of PBP, or heard from others.  Hudlin's T'Challa is still a king, but very much a man of the people

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:11:04 pm »
Consider it what you want, it's nothing I haven't done myself.  A form of entertainment wasn't to my liking so I found another venue to give my attentions.  It's just common sense.  And I don't see the sense in whining about not liking a comic, no matter how long you read it, there are way too many other comics and forms of entertainment in general out there.  And boohoo, somone got called a name on the internet, what is this world coming to?  If you're feeling oppressed and not enjoying the conflict you feel you're getting, there are a number of avenues you can pursue.

I'm quite fine with conflict.  I haven't suggested thatthose who enjoy what Hudlin or Jones write to keep their opinions to themselves.

On the other hand, you have suggested that those who don't like or agree with what Hudlin has done to simply keep it to themselves.  That would seem the hallmark of a person with problems dealing with conflict.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and pursue another avenue, because so long as the forums are open to anyone I guarantee you there will be dissenters.

I have no problem dealing with conflict, I'm just questioning the point of the dissension.  If it's something you don't like, why bother?  We all have issues with the current product, I personally would like to see a little bit more action since the issues seemed to have been lagging since the end of the Cage arc.  But if something as a whole does not tickle your fancy anymore and you just get on forums to complain you're just being a nuisance.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 11:04:19 pm »
Once again you're putting too much stock on continuity, when I started reading Who is the Black Panther?   I neither knew nor cared much about the previous incarnations.  But having enjoyed Hudlin's Panther so much, it made me open to read stuff from Priest/Kirby to see how the character was previously done whereas before I wouldn't have given them a second thought.  Marvel's bogged down in almost 50 years of outdated backlog so a good story, continuity or otherwise is a good story period.  And spare me the "my opinion" garbage, that's a given and if you don't want your opinion challenged, you deliberately walked into the wrong place.

I believe continuity is essential to a great story. If you don't know what your character has done, who she's met, or her origins, you cannot know your character. Of course, thats just MY OPINION. ;D Challenge away.

Now THAT's the spirit!  I think continuity has it's place, but as far as the Panther story, all the loose ends have been easily forgivable, (Klaw, Radioactive Man, could careless) and against the continuity of the rest of the universe I was not bothered at all by the inconsistencies.  I don't care about much of Panther's exploits as an Avenger, compared to Who is the Black Panther?  I think his original origin is crap and until I started reading it, I was all but done with the 616 Marvel Universe because it was all just plain stale.  Continuity can be great but it can also limit a story's potential and what the writer can do if everything's already been written.  One thing I like about the Panther is it being fresh.  I don't know what he's done, who he's met etc, and I'm finding out issue by issue.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 09:47:01 pm »
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When Bruce Jones wrote INCREDIBLE HULK, I dropped the title due to his mishandling of the characters and continuity.  That does not mean that I stopped caring about the character I had followed for over twenty years.  Nor does it mean that I sacrificed my right to voice an opinion contrary to those who enjoyed the title.

Yeah, you have a right, but what's the point of bothering people that are enjoying the comic, that's just arrogance.  You didn't like the new direction, so you dropped it, why not just move on?

I consider it arrogant to expect a longtime fan to keep his opinion to himself because you don't agree with him.  I try to be respectful of those who like a book that I do not like and, from what I've seen, Jer has tried as well.  Yet he is met with people calling him names simply because he doesn't like what Hudlin has done with BLACK PANTHER.

And that is wrong.

Consider it what you want, it's nothing I haven't done myself.  A form of entertainment wasn't to my liking so I found another venue to give my attentions.  It's just common sense.  And I don't see the sense in whining about not liking a comic, no matter how long you read it, there are way too many other comics and forms of entertainment in general out there.  And boohoo, somone got called a name on the internet, what is this world coming to?  If you're feeling oppressed and not enjoying the conflict you feel you're getting, there are a number of avenues you can pursue.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 09:40:38 pm »
Erased?  Did they recall all the old issues and destroy every bit of evidence of them?  Don't be so over dramatic, the fans still have the older issues and being a longtime comic reader, there is no comic that I've ever followed from X-Men to Spider-Man to Robin etc that hasn't ever went in a direction I didn't approve of.  It happens, and there's no need to make a federal case out of it.

Erased. Reboots are like a reset button they supersede the events that came before them. And sloppy  reboots are worse as they dont even give the reader the benifit of clear history. As for the federal case, no. Just...no. I'm simply expressing my opinion in the proper venue. Unless this forum is only for people pleased with every thing about this book.

Once again you're putting too much stock on continuity, when I started reading Who is the Black Panther?   I neither knew nor cared much about the previous incarnations.  But having enjoyed Hudlin's Panther so much, it made me open to read stuff from Priest/Kirby to see how the character was previously done whereas before I wouldn't have given them a second thought.  Marvel's bogged down in almost 50 years of outdated backlog so a good story, continuity or otherwise is a good story period.  And spare me the "my opinion" garbage, that's a given and if you don't want your opinion challenged, you deliberately walked into the wrong place.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 09:02:44 pm »
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When Bruce Jones wrote INCREDIBLE HULK, I dropped the title due to his mishandling of the characters and continuity.  That does not mean that I stopped caring about the character I had followed for over twenty years.  Nor does it mean that I sacrificed my right to voice an opinion contrary to those who enjoyed the title.

Yeah, you have a right, but what's the point of bothering people that are enjoying the comic, that's just arrogance.  You didn't like the new direction, so you dropped it, why not just move on?

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 09:00:11 pm »
Who cares?  Continuity is luxury of entertainment, it doesn't matter how much it's changes, it's by no means a stone written rule.  As for these upset people, why are they upset?  They don't know how to put a comic down?

They're upset becasue a favorite hero of thiers has had his past erased or muddied.

Erased?  Did they recall all the old issues and destroy every bit of evidence of them?  Don't be so over dramatic, the fans still have the older issues and being a longtime comic reader, there is no comic that I've ever followed from X-Men to Spider-Man to Robin etc that hasn't ever went in a direction I didn't approve of.  It happens, and there's no need to make a federal case out of it.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 29, 2006, 08:28:25 pm »
where are those ''a lot of upset people''?? where are they?? who cares about them??

LOL@ you asking that question as if you have no internet access...
As for who cares about them, obviously not you...But as one of them, I say the continuity shouldn't have been touched or should have been scrapped completely. You can't half start over.

Who cares?  Continuity is luxury of entertainment, it doesn't matter how much it's changes, it's by no means a stone written rule.  As for these upset people, why are they upset?  They don't know how to put a comic down?

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Black Panther / Re: New Avengers 22
« on: July 29, 2006, 08:25:04 pm »
Well Cap has been on his heels since Hill had the soldiers point their guns at him, if he has a long term goal I'm sure we'll find out in due time but right now the point of the resistance is to take a stand for what is right.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 18 The Wedding
« on: July 28, 2006, 09:18:39 pm »
Black Avengers PLEASE!

Black Avengers?  Come on

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Black Panther / Re: New Avengers 22
« on: July 28, 2006, 08:24:45 pm »
i said it back on hefa forums vol I and i will say it again here. in real life i would sooo be in support of the registration act. yall would be to. the minute wolverine does a fastball special and cuts the head off of a sentinal that falls on to your house and destroys your comic book collection you would want someone to pay!!. home owners insurance will cut you a check but nothing could replace your valuables.

now in comic reality. hell naw. power to the people bring the man down. stark and ms marvel are real sell outs!! no justice no peace. ;D

Yeah, I'd be mad if Wolverine tears up my crib, but I'd be hella grateful to Cap for pulling me out of the burning building.  The thing is, the heroes aren't the problem, it's the villains that start the trouble and by focusing everything on the heroes it's like

SPOILER!!


 Falcon said in issue 21 about what happens next when the villains strike when nobody's in position to stop them

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Black Panther / Re: New Avengers 22
« on: July 28, 2006, 08:11:43 pm »
I heard,

That Bendis total mucked up the whole SHRA. But, as I read BP#18--I see the same thing. Maybe Marvel, needs to better outline the law. Because, as it stands Tony is making people with superpowers--the gov't slaves. This new development that all superpowered people, whether they are heroes or civilians, have to register makes Tony's argument lose its merit and becomes  a load of BS that is going to flush alot of people's lives down the crapper.

After reading the Avengers, I realized what we have here is not a Registration; this is a Draft, but instead of young men, the Draft is for all super-powered beings.  And in the United States, Drafts are both legal and constitional.

The more I read Civil War the more on Cap's side I am. These latest refinery to the SHRA just makes me back Cap 100%. Sometimes, legal ain't moral. If anything Americans are known for fighting for their values especially when the law denies them. So not feeling Tony. Mavrel is making it a one-sided legal issue and a one-side principality issue.

I been on Cap's side since day one, I just don't like how they're blaming the heroes for something at the end of the day, a villain did.

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