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BET Life / Re: Purpose of American Gangster
« on: December 30, 2007, 11:07:00 am »
Damn! No one ask The History Channel or A&E what's the purpose of profiling Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, but they do it anyway. Why? America is fascinated with outlaw culture. I know that the media has a poor track record in their portrayal of blacks, but America Gangster is more than that. It wasn't made to instill pride in Black Youth or glorify the crimes of these Gangsters. It's purpose is to tell the stories of these criminals and the circumstances that led to their lifestyle choices as well as the people and community they impacted and the outcome surrounding their actions.

So far American Gangster has accomplished that purpose on all fronts. It doesn't glorify nor offer an apology. It is what is.

Myself, I'm glad BET decided to do a show profiling black gangsters because that's a hidden history most Americans in the mainstream are unaware of, and some members of the black community are ashamed of acknowledging.


I got to object on what's in bold & italics.  I don't think it's hidden at all, view crime rates in major cities
where majority of Blacks reside in and you will find plenty of Gangsters

that draws us back to my question "What constitues an American Gangster"?


My question to you is, "Have you ever watched the show?" When I was talking "hidden", I mean, not too many people knew who Nicky Barnes is or Frank Lucas, but ask people who John Gotti is or Al Capone and you'll get tons of answers. Now American Gangster's not going to highlight gangsters that are still active in the game, but the ones who left like Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas they will do.

Your question of "what constitutes an American Gangster" is leaning towards an obvious answer.

I've watched the show.  I've seen gangsters in reality as well.  When you said not too many people know who these
people  are,  are you a viewer expecting that these people should have a "Light Of Fame" for crazy acts against society ?
 Correct me if I took you wrong but from what I placed in bold, it's informative to know who these people are ? Criminals
to say the least, informative to BET Viewers who mostly consist of teenagers and young adults.


Do you consider Dick Cheney an "American Gangster"?



By the context of your posts, you made it clear that you have nothing but contempt and disdain for these usavory characters (like most people should), but should we sweep these people under the rug and disavow any knowledge of them for the sake of political correctness? Or should we just assume that the people profiled on American Gangster aren't worthy of the recognition that's usually reserved for other gangsters like Sam Giancana, Frank Nitti, Al Capone, John Gotti and so forth. Are these The American Gangsters you're comfortable with?

Until I see the outcry and furor over Al Capone and John Gotti on A&E and The History Channel I may be inclined to subscribe to your viewpoint, so I'll stick to my opinion that a show like American Gangster is a relevant program that deserves a place on Television.

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BET Life / Re: Purpose of American Gangster
« on: December 30, 2007, 10:32:21 am »
Damn! No one ask The History Channel or A&E what's the purpose of profiling Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, but they do it anyway. Why? America is fascinated with outlaw culture. I know that the media has a poor track record in their portrayal of blacks, but America Gangster is more than that. It wasn't made to instill pride in Black Youth or glorify the crimes of these Gangsters. It's purpose is to tell the stories of these criminals and the circumstances that led to their lifestyle choices as well as the people and community they impacted and the outcome surrounding their actions.

So far American Gangster has accomplished that purpose on all fronts. It doesn't glorify nor offer an apology. It is what is.

Myself, I'm glad BET decided to do a show profiling black gangsters because that's a hidden history most Americans in the mainstream are unaware of, and some members of the black community are ashamed of acknowledging.


I got to object on what's in bold & italics.  I don't think it's hidden at all, view crime rates in major cities
where majority of Blacks reside in and you will find plenty of Gangsters

that draws us back to my question "What constitues an American Gangster"?


My question to you is, "Have you ever watched the show?" When I was talking "hidden", I mean, not too many people knew who Nicky Barnes is or Frank Lucas, but ask people who John Gotti is or Al Capone and you'll get tons of answers. Now American Gangster's not going to highlight gangsters that are still active in the game, but the ones who left like Nicky Barnes and Frank Lucas they will do.

Your question of "what constitutes an American Gangster" is leaning towards an obvious answer.

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BET Life / Re: Purpose of American Gangster
« on: December 30, 2007, 10:21:00 am »
Damn! No one ask The History Channel or A&E what's the purpose of profiling Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Dutch Schultz, Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, but they do it anyway. Why? America is fascinated with outlaw culture. I know that the media has a poor track record in their portrayal of blacks, but America Gangster is more than that. It wasn't made to instill pride in Black Youth or glorify the crimes of these Gangsters. It's purpose is to tell the stories of these criminals and the circumstances that led to their lifestyle choices as well as the people and community they impacted and the outcome surrounding their actions.

So far American Gangster has accomplished that purpose on all fronts. It doesn't glorify nor offer an apology. It is what is.

Myself, I'm glad BET decided to do a show profiling black gangsters because that's a hidden history most Americans in the mainstream are unaware of, and some members of the black community are ashamed of acknowledging.

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Black Panther / A Theory regarding Cannibal
« on: November 10, 2007, 04:05:40 pm »
Recently I looked up an entry on Vampires on Wikipedia and I came across a paragraph about a particular vampire called a Hopping Corpse. A Hopping Corpse origin dates back to China and has the ability to jump from body to body. I'm thinking that Cannibal is a Hopping Corpse vampire seeing he relies on lifeforces rather than blood.

Another theory that I was turned onto o the Comic Book Forum board is that Cannibal is really Black Panther's old foe Kiber The Cruel, but I'm going with the belief that Cannibal is a Hopping Corpse Vampire. At any rate, I would like to see Blade guest star so he could help Brother Voodoo deal with Cannibal.

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Black Panther / Re: Great villains to turn up in Black Panther!!!
« on: November 10, 2007, 03:54:07 pm »
I'm not really with the Thanos idea, but the long brother for Storm has potential. Maybe he can debut as a leader of the terrorist group ULTIMATIUM.

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Black Panther / Re: If Black Panther could steal a Villain
« on: October 31, 2007, 05:23:19 pm »
Roxxon Oil Company would be good foes for BP. Wakanda has enough resources for Roxxon to plunder.

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Black Panther / Re: If Black Panther could steal a Villain
« on: October 25, 2007, 09:01:46 pm »
How about The Master as Black Panther's nemesis?  Also, Count Nefaria would be a good adversary for Black Panther too. He could revive the Ani-Men and have them as his lackeys. Nefaria could be the Kingpin to Black Panther's Daredevil.

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Hudlin TV / Re: new Boondocks up to watch
« on: October 25, 2007, 08:58:06 pm »
Tonights episode was terrific! As has become common, Mcgruder handles a pertinent topic, namely Stop Snitching and provides humor and insight for 22 minutes. We can now add Bush and Cheney: The Outlaw Years to the list of spin-offs that should come from this show.

P.S. Did Reggie ever explain his role as Executive Producer of the show?

I read an online interview with Aaron McGruder that Reggie left the show sometime after he was made President of BET. According to McGruder, he's listed as "Executive Producer" as a contractual obligation.

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Black Panther / Re: Should BP and Storm return to Wakanda now?
« on: October 11, 2007, 06:25:26 pm »
Well if you are reading BP, FF and UXM you want them to return to earth and deal with some other pending issues...it's been fun but now it's time to come back with a bang.  BP needs more villains (in his book who are serious threats, a better supporting cast and more sub plots).

McDuffie left a great dangling plotline with the idea introduced a while back in FF that there were bombs underneath the Wakandan Embassy in NYC - it has yet to be revealed who planted them and why.

I forgot all about that. That would be a great way for ULTIMATIUM to be introduced as recurring baddies for Black Panther.

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BET Life / Re: D.C. Snipers on American Gangster?!
« on: October 09, 2007, 07:58:40 am »
They are not touching Harry-O. Harry-O is still feared and any retrospective on his life will have to include the formation of Death Row Records and Suge Knight. What producer is going to want to raise the ire of both Harry-O and Suge?

Well I visualized an episode on Harry-O done in a similar vein as "Welcome To Death Row", where they interviewed him and he gave a first hand account on his experiences and such. Of course, it would way different than "Welcome To Death Row" in terms of approach.

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Black Panther / Re: If Black Panther could steal a Villain
« on: October 08, 2007, 04:05:05 pm »
ULTIMATIUM. Now that Cap's gone, I would like to see them worked in as recurring foes for Black Panther. One way would be for the group to hatch a plan to use the Africa Continent to implement their plans for Global Unity and Wakanda and Black Panther is standing in their way. They launch a full scale sneak attack on Wakanda that makes the Klaw invasion look like a football scrimmage.

A new verison of Kraven. If Black Panther is Marvel's answer to Batman, I would like to see him have his own Bane. That Bane should be Kraven. A new improved version of Kraven. I'm not talking about a resurrecting the original Kraven or any of his sons, but character that's a take of the stereotypical great white hunter going on a safari. He could see BP as the ultimate game and will do whatever's necessary to defeat BP and make him a permanent part of his trophy collection. He would be more of a stalker that combines modern and tribal techniques, whether it be weaponry, unarmed combat or strategy. The character would also extend his hunt to BP's loved ones, thus making it personal.

The Advisor. He's War Machine villian that has potential. I see him giving both Black Panther and Storm a hard time.

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Black Panther / Re: What the villain must bring to the table...
« on: October 08, 2007, 03:43:14 pm »
I think a good advantage for a villian to go against BP is Intellect. My ideal BP villian would be one who employs psychological warfare rather than physical. He could be a villian that would engage in bloodless battles against BP and most often manipulate various villians or heroes to fight BP. Naturally, these individuals would be unaware they are being used by another party.

In short, this adversary would be the anti-T'Challa. Basically he done his homework on Black Panther by studying tapes of his battles with different foes, learning his fighting techniques, weaponry, his allies and so forth. He would use all these different elements against Black Panther. This would be a villian who wants to destroy Black Panther mentally, physically and emotionally. 

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BET Life / D.C. Snipers on American Gangster?!
« on: October 08, 2007, 03:09:29 pm »
Recently I glanced at BET's website and I noticed on an upcoming episode of "American Gangster" there's going to be a profile on The D.C. Snipers. Come on now! The D.C. Snipers?! They're not gangsters! That's a major waste of an episode. Why not do one on the Young Boys Inc. out of Detroit or Ghetto Godfather Harry-O. I'm still waiting for an episode devoted to Bumpy Johnson or Kings of Policy. D.C. Snipers?! What's next? O.J. Simpson?

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BET Life / Re: The New FALL SEASON for BET. Where's Somebodies?
« on: October 01, 2007, 05:10:15 pm »
I'm glad American Gangster is back. Will there be a profile on Bumpy Johnson? I would like to see one on him.

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BET Life / Re: Rap City comes on at 1 am now!?
« on: October 01, 2007, 04:55:18 pm »
It looks like Rap City is out the door. Usually when they move a show to a later time, that means that at some point they intend to pull the plug. It happened with Yo! MTV Raps! Now it's Rap City's turn.

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