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« on: December 18, 2020, 09:14:29 am »
How does an Afrakan goddess/omega level mutant and former queen sound? We know she's got nothing but potential. Some might say she has Xcellent potential.
Ororo Monroe aka STORM!
I didn’t skip over the obvious, that’s why I said “most”. Storm is an excellent character for their imprint. But from what we’ve been seeing, Storm will eventually be handled as well by “woke” black women (isn’t Vita Ayala already being praised for her recent handling of her stealing a sword out of Wakanda and furthering a rift between her and TChalla?) And honestly, Storm is already a part of the “progressive, woke” crowd being an X man, especially with their even more current social politics that’s going on in those books. I have no doubt she’s a part of their agenda, but it still doesn’t compare to an already made billion dollar franchise that encompasses an entire country with its own set of fierce, black female warriors, an African princess and ACTUAL queen by lineage in waiting who also will become the head of the franchise by taking the mantle. That’s a lot more to work with and already set than a “former” queen and goddess with no actual followers or nation behind her.
How about a genius level scientist, inventor, engineer; former vigilante, adventurer and monarch of Latveria with a potential for gender neutrality and on page lesbian kiss compare? Lets not forget her connects with Stark, always a plus in the MCU. This is a black Disney princess just waiting to be introduced.
Riri Williams aka IRON HEART!
Lol. You cant be serious. But sure, I’m sure they’re gonna find a black woke woman to work on her as well if they haven’t already. But again, why wouldn’t they also go for the already built in billion dollar franchise and advanced nation with a potential queen at its helm? Especially when Coates and others already opened the gates for that years ago?
What if we go with a bilingual, genius level intellect with perfect memory, superhuman intuitive skills, virtually invulnerable (at least enough to withstand common firearms at long range and direct blows of the vastly more powerful Hulk). Add to that she is a formidable hand-to-hand combatant at Class 10 strength. She even has a healing factor. Let me continue. She is a telepath with the ability to read minds, project her thoughts into the minds of others, and defensively mask her mind against telepathic intrusion. She is able to psionically levitate and move herself in the air by force of will, allowing her to fly at supersonic speeds approaching Mach 3 and she manifested minor telekinetic capabilities.
Monet Yvette Clarisse Maria Therese St. Croix aka M
Sigh. You’re really digging deep now. Again, why dig into an honestly 3rd rate Xman and member of another franchise whom many don’t know about when Marvel themselves have opened the doors over the past few years to the far more popular and known franchise with a literal existing all black female army and queen/tech genius/action hero? Especially when woke feminists have already been putting their imprint on it?
Two out of the three even have direct connects to continental Afrakan countries. Did I neglect to mention that all these woman are "black" with long flowing hair and the potential for interracial relationships? And you are telling me that “black feminists and WOKE” creatives would not want to write these women? Are you implying some elitist sensibilities are in use regarding “black feminists and WOKE” creatives? Or is all about them wanting to change Black Panther and Wakanda at the behest of the A.G.E.N.D.A.? [/b][/i][/size]
Im saying they likely would want to write all of them, given the opportunity. But they have been writing the Black Panther’s world and currently that is the in the now and greater prize. Also, of course I’m saying their are elitist sensibilities in use. Most academics and “woke” people who come out of that crowd are highly elitist and intellectually arrogant. And yes, I’ve said it’s about them likely wanting to change or see the potential in making Black Panther’s world more conducive to their “agenda” as you put it. Just like most everything else. More “inclusive”, “progressive” and all the other buzz words. Marvel itself has been trying it for years so why wouldn’t they with Black Panther? They already have been doing it. And with Feige’s recent decision, it’s highly likely they’re going further with that route
"Hell, it’s the same reason we are more interested in Black Panther than we are Falcon or War Machine." Interesting how both are now being developed into Disney+ series while T'Challa the Black Panther faces oblivion. Kind of funny how the “black feminists and WOKE” creatives weren't active during the late 90s when the Dora Milaje were introduced or in early 2000s when Shuri debuted.
Lol, yes. A Disney+ series...not actual billion dollar movie franchises. A streaming service show vs. a billion dollar movie franchise. So much faith in Sam and Rhodes lol. Even Natasha after death got an actual movie. And remember, “Black Panther” doesn’t face oblivion, only TChalla. Black Panther will go on along with “her” rich and varied world according to Feige. Or whoever they decide to put in the suit since anyone can be the Black Panther.
And unfortunately, it’s not funny. Marvel WENT AFTER the woke crowd when they asked Coates to write the character and his world, and he opened that world up to that crowd when he got Roxanne Gay and others into writing it. Just because some of these efforts didn’t prove lucrative financially doesn’t mean they aren’t paying attention to it any longer nor see potential in the MCU world
Well no one can say that ole BP didn't give the feminist and woke creatives their shot at the title. Ta-Nehesi Coates, Roxanne Gay, Yona Harvey, Nnedi Okorafor all took a swing at bat and were struck out. Curious once again who you choose to omit. No mention of another member of that team, Evan Narcisse. He out wrote all of them.
I “omitted” Evan Narcisse because I don’t consider him a part of the woke crowd. So why would I put him in their company? This wasn’t about “who out wrote who”, this is about charting the agenda that’s led us to TChalla being made superfluous to the franchise and being replaced by his little sister, who many of the woke crowd potentially would rather deal with. This is about how all of this leads to Feige’s recent decision. There have been more “woke” writers in the comics franchise of late than there have been Evan Narcisses. And Coates, who writing of the franchise is still coming out, has had several years of influence on it that is being paid attention to.
You’re also framing the discussion as if im on the “woke” crowd’s side in this. Remember, I want TChalla recasted. I don’t want Shuri taking the mantle and won’t go see the movie if she does. But Feige has made his decision and this potentially will lead to the woke crowd getting mostly everything they want to see in the franchise, including a female BP. That’s definitely what is partially affecting his decision with all of the pushing in pop culture lately for black female and woke representation. And the comics likely will follow suit with TChalla dying with Boseman. I still think if they had focused more on TChalla the character, there would be no question of letting him die with Boseman and going on with the franchise without him. But I believe that’s what Coogler unconsciously did and allowed. They believe these supporting characters can carry the franchise without T’Challa. And as popular as they made them, maybe they can, and it’s unfortunate.
I'll match your Vita Ayala against Geoffrey Thorne. See you in February.
Lol, again, she’s not “my” anything. Ezyo himself pointed out that she’s the “woke” writer of the moment and she’s getting good attention. And if they go with a Shuri led Black Panther book eventually she’s likely a shoe in for it. She’s also CURRENTLY working with Marvel. Is Thorne? Last I saw he’s over at DC getting ready to write John Stewart.
While Shuri is a millennial she's all Afrakan, Wakandan if you will. There's nothing Hispanic about her. Gender neutral, and gay? Naw miss Shuri with that.
if Ayala gets to write her I’m not sure you or I will have much to say about that. I’m sure she, or “they” as she prefers, won’t necessarily make her Hispanic, but I’m certain they don’t look at being Afrakan or Wakandan in the same way and chooses to see it as “more diverse and inclusive” and Shuri more “fluid”. And Coates already introduced a gay couple that almost made it into the movie in Wakanda. With The MCU’s new woke direction now? A lot of things are likely.
"Lol...get ready for Shuri to explore all this in the comics. Not like her (or “their”, as I believe “they” will be referred to soon) sexuality has been defined yet." Whoa, slow down there aquatic sea person. Her gender was defined at the time she was created as a female, a sister and a daughter. Sheesh you can look at her and see that.
well, I was joking really, but in the woke world, and the current social politics now, gender is fluid and can be redefined and even changed! Lol. Not saying I entirely agree, but hey, again, who knows what Ayala may write if she gets her hands on her? Iceman wasn’t always gay. There were no gay Dora Milajes up until a few years ago. In the current climate, why wouldn’t a writer like Ayala choose to introduce these things into Shuri?
Again, I’m just pointing out what I’ve seen coming for a while now, and it’s cemented with them potentially killing off TChalla in the MCU, which I don’t want. But we’ll see what happens once the movie comes out and whatever else happens afterwards. To me, going on with the franchise without T’Challa makes him superfluous (to them) to the franchise. I don’t agree with it and would rather they recast or don’t do the movie at all. Nothing more for me to say anymore on any of this so I’m out for now. We’ll just see what happpens, but I actually do hope Feige changes his mind. But he’s already opened the door on the expectations.
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