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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 05:33:06 pm »
It's why i personally never cared as much for the whole Namor thing.

I mean yes, he needs to die off principle. [ironically marvel writers always side step the fact that Emma Frost is just as culpable for that flood sh*t]

But i always viewed that sh*t as a distraction from the real problematic character in the mytho that needed to be addressed: Dr. Doom.

Pretty much one of those puppets on a string "lets distract the black guy with the asian so that the white racist is off the hook..."

Nah fukk that, i ain't forget

I ain't forget Emma Frost thot ass either

Thats bc all these writers dintvwant to follow through with what comes natural after deconstruction... which is "this us why the hero is the hero"

Look superior spider man... after all thatvstuff, it came down to ock admitting peter was better than him.

Secret wars... doom at the end admitted reed could have done it better. Tchallas natural ending should have been beheading namor and proxima to avenge his sister and people... but no one really cares about him.

After tchalla lost the bp title,  the natural ending was him rising up better than other, to prove that he was the black panther and best king of all of history.

But naw, too worried about stepping on supporting characters toes??? Y??

Nah, BP's natural ending should have been conquering Latveria and a broken frustratex Doom admitting T'Challa would be a better King and ruler.

Then T'Challa says I don't want the trouble of ruling your sh*t country.  Namor and Emma can die or get seriously humbled along the way.  The end.

In two years of coates solo, we havent even gotten a solo win agsinst anyone.

He even needed help to defeat the fenris.

Let that sink in.

This anti-black male masculinity is a very toxic trend. 

Evans aside, why is it that a hood dude from compton who grew up playing football is the only one who can make writing black panther great look so easy?

I'm not saying there needs to be a testosterone count requirement but jeeeeez

There was a collider youtube video a few days ago about what BP 2 should be about.. it had 2 white guys (one of them Shnepp, who always reminds us he helped Hudlin produce the BP cartoon) and 2 black girls.  And one of the black girls straight up said she'd love to see

1. Shuri get trained to fight
2. Shuri/BP have conflict over being BP
3. Namor coming through and flooding Wakanda
4. Namor leaving T'Challa comatose
5. Shuri leaving the tech alone to become the BP

It was hilarious and sad at the same time that the two white guys, when it was their turn to say what they'd like to see, each had to lowkey tell her that they aren't tryna see that sh*t and instead would like to see T'Challa's evolution as king continue.

To be blunt we still have long way to go as a fanbase (BP fans, Black comic fans & etc)

By far the the worst sh*t-ideas I've seen online for BP sequel ideas have came from BP comics fans..

I expected the usual stuff like let's make Shuri BP after one movie, Let's give the DM a spinoff movie, lets bring O in asap & etc..



But ish like this :

Let's bring random ass White Bro, because this franchise need super powered white character for them to rute for.

Let's give Ross a LG role in the next one

Let's have BP some how accidentally responsible for the death of Nakia parents to have turn Malice

Let's have BP threatened or subjugate/suppress Q'Noma marsh tribe - to make Nakia turn Malice

Let's have BP subjugate/suppress M'Baku & Jabari Tribe

Let's have Shuri & Bucky date

Let kill off or severely injure Queen Mom or Shuri or Nakia to push BP to be more CJP-like

Let's bring in S'Yan make him a villain & have him pissed at BP for SKM death & have em fight..

Let bring in Hunter & make him T'Chaka biological half white son.

Let bring in K.Cole & make him T'Chaka biological son

Let bring in Jakarra to make T'Chaka look even more

To think this type is of ish have to be BP comic fan..

O fans are lazy they only care about O they no nothing of Nakia other than she betrayed BP.. they don't Kno how or why or that movie Nakia is base on other BP character. they don't know what village she from & to lazy to look it up lol

Non comic book ( black folks) anit checking for random white Bros, don't want see made T'Chaka or T'Challa look worse or Shuri/QM killed/hurt, they not checking for random ass disfigured half Bros, wanting more Ross ( most seemed to want less of him  or him not not at all)..

New non black fans have embraced black panther and expect him pushed as a franchise just as hard as cap, thor, im, and the others

Too many Black "fans" want all these ridiculous scenario where mcu tchalla ends up like coates verse

+10000

The contrast between black non-comic fans who are completely new to all this, and black comic "fans" has been a bit... alarming.

As thrilled and euphoric as i am about the movie and how it pretty much hit every note i could ever dream of quality, critically and financially... i've been a bit annoyed by the dumbassery of these black comic "fans".

Like i'm all for seeing Shuri interact with Stark but all this have her be Riri [funny how i/we were the ones that first foreshadowed this comparison MONTHS ago] and have her depart from the franchise and essentially hang out with the white people...

... it's like are they f*cking serious?

Or always bringing up Storm when the movie clearly spells out to everyone what the romantic ambitions and pairing are..

Bringing up Okoye's sexuality when the movie clearly spells out to everyone who her romantic pairing is with.

Conversely, it's people like Andre the Nerd [youtuber] who i adore because he's a black folk who doesn't know or pretend to know sh*t about the comics and doesn't care to, so he watches the movie as any regular black folk would and he loves that sh*t as is!  Same as those normal black folks who Chadwick surprised on that Jimmy Fallon show.

They see it simply as a pure black superhero adventure and aren't caught up trying to frame it into TNC's world or any other dumbsh*t.

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The Chinese...


 ::)


Ok, first let me say I tried giving them the benefit of the doubt after the strong opening. And I was going to follow through on my end by condemning the white-washing of asian culture and the emasculation of asian males...

But naaaah, f*ck that.  "Too politically correct" but yet they flock to any sh*tty movie like the Great Wall where subpar asian actors and cgi-sh*t asian backdrops are included simply to capitalize on the Chinese's willingness to watch gutter trash so long as they can see images of themselves?  The irony isn't lost on anyone.

Bitch about MJ and Liz being brown girls but not a peep about Peter's chubby friend being asian. 

Make commercials and tv shows equating afrikans as animals [while trying to force their overpopulated asses into expanding to afrikan countries] and get mad defensive when "westerners" call em out on that sh*t... but yet be the first ones to throw a hissy fit and demand this Lebron James commercial be banned from China

! No longer available


Equating afrikans to animals = fun and games with stereotypes 
Lebron having fun and games with asian sorcerers and lusty anime chicks = offensive and disrespectful

Well I say Disney needs to go ahead and cast Namor as a South Korean actor and Iron Fist is better than Shang Chi ever was  :P

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Earlier in the week i erred and misread CA:CW as 1.115 billion, instead of 1.150 billion.  I'd said BP would pass it in 48 hours but really the correct answer was by the end of the week.  It was 50 million, not 15 lol. I was struck by mild dyslexia i think  :-\

But that's all moot now. 

I wasn't dyslexic about my 2 week projections tho!

18 million away from passing Avengers 1 as GOAT domestic superhero movie.

33million away from passing IM3 as GOAT stand alone superhero movie world wide.

All this still on schedule to be taken by next Sunday

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 01:35:15 pm »
White people know how to push a hero.

Black people too busy trying to split Tchalla's pie 64 ways.

f*ck that sh*t. That is the kings pie... everyone else can have what's leftover after he's full.

Tchalla fans need to be selfish

That's been lowkey annoying to see, esp among some of the black female youtube nerds [and female comic writers].

Feels kinda back handed... like this mytho about a black male went out of it's way to show the type of inclusion and empowerment not seen ANYWHERE else in this industry... and the response is to try and kick the titular male character outta there. lmao

Now granted, this is the nerd fandom and not the greater population.  But it's annoying when you want to find good nerd fandom discussion but it's all the same dumb talking points "oh do you think storm will be in the next movie?"  "will shuri be BP?"  "will they have okoye be gay for ayo?"

I'm just like.. really?

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Infinity War takes place 2 years after Civil War/Black Panther.

I figure T'Challa, M'Baku, Shuri, Bucky, etc are all well adjusted to the ramifications following the two post-credit scenes.  Only thing of interest will be if they address any lingering plotlines that come with jumping 2 years forward... i.e. where is W'Kabi and does Nakia have a baby bump yet  :P

Damn that would be amazing if lil T'wari or lil T'Chaka or lil Sh’ri or lil Azari or lil K’Shamba to show up in MCU..

I didn't list Faida & T’Charra because they might be worse of CJP additions..  And it hard to worse than random ass white brother & sidekick..But damnit he did smh
That would be pretty friggin amazing lol.

Also would make me feel old bc we wouldn't have gotten a chance to see young prime T'Challa much before he'd be moving on to older/family responsibilities T'Challa.. but the joy of being right about Queen Nakia,,,, and the ramifications of such a concept, would be like a fountain of youth to my soul

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Black Panther / Re: Toon up! Animated Black Panther Discussion
« on: March 18, 2018, 01:25:04 pm »
Oh man that's embarrassing. For shame... Yeah John's run is only good for thst one panel. That whole fight was bullsh*t skull should of been cheating Left and right to try and get an advantage. I hated everything on that fight except the end
That's pretty much what i tried to convey to him.  I think he gets it, or is coming around to it.  Tho like MoS mentioned, i don't think he actually read the issue with some of the other stuff he's bringing up.  Ah well

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 01:22:19 pm »



Every "feat" in coatesverse requires some outside help. 95% of them not even making Sense (rescuing Shuri rotk ghost army, taking on the fenris, taking on Stane, literally every feat he has had some help to some degree) I think people like this version Because he is weak as sh*t and makes him more "Safe" for their taste and not making them feel threatened like  Hudlin's Tchalla[/b]

Makes you wonder if Cap is going to get the same treatment or will his Cap be strong, confident and in the right?  If it's the later, that speaks volumes.

I was thinking the same thing.  Is he gon give Steve that same energy [or lack thereof] he gives T'Challa? Anti white male fantasy wish-fulfillment??

Hmmm...

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 12:55:49 pm »
It's like some of these dummy youtube nerds saw all the great work Coogler did in avoiding black male/female dysfunction, creating harmony while giving everyone distinct roles that don't step on each others toes... and yet the first thing they want is black male/female dysfunction between the siblings, f*cking up Wakanda, and leaving BP comatose so someone else can take over.... lmao...  ::)

Pretty much everything that made the mytho a billion, let's go ahead and do the opposite of that

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 12:47:09 pm »
It's why i personally never cared as much for the whole Namor thing.

I mean yes, he needs to die off principle. [ironically marvel writers always side step the fact that Emma Frost is just as culpable for that flood sh*t]

But i always viewed that sh*t as a distraction from the real problematic character in the mytho that needed to be addressed: Dr. Doom.

Pretty much one of those puppets on a string "lets distract the black guy with the asian so that the white racist is off the hook..."

Nah fukk that, i ain't forget

I ain't forget Emma Frost thot ass either

Thats bc all these writers dintvwant to follow through with what comes natural after deconstruction... which is "this us why the hero is the hero"

Look superior spider man... after all thatvstuff, it came down to ock admitting peter was better than him.

Secret wars... doom at the end admitted reed could have done it better. Tchallas natural ending should have been beheading namor and proxima to avenge his sister and people... but no one really cares about him.

After tchalla lost the bp title,  the natural ending was him rising up better than other, to prove that he was the black panther and best king of all of history.

But naw, too worried about stepping on supporting characters toes??? Y??

Nah, BP's natural ending should have been conquering Latveria and a broken frustratex Doom admitting T'Challa would be a better King and ruler.

Then T'Challa says I don't want the trouble of ruling your sh*t country.  Namor and Emma can die or get seriously humbled along the way.  The end.

In two years of coates solo, we havent even gotten a solo win agsinst anyone.

He even needed help to defeat the fenris.

Let that sink in.

This anti-black male masculinity is a very toxic trend. 

Evans aside, why is it that a hood dude from compton who grew up playing football is the only one who can make writing black panther great look so easy?

I'm not saying there needs to be a testosterone count requirement but jeeeeez

There was a collider youtube video a few days ago about what BP 2 should be about.. it had 2 white guys (one of them Shnepp, who always reminds us he helped Hudlin produce the BP cartoon) and 2 black girls.  And one of the black girls straight up said she'd love to see

1. Shuri get trained to fight
2. Shuri/BP have conflict over being BP
3. Namor coming through and flooding Wakanda
4. Namor leaving T'Challa comatose
5. Shuri leaving the tech alone to become the BP

It was hilarious and sad at the same time that the two white guys, when it was their turn to say what they'd like to see, each had to lowkey tell her that they aren't tryna see that sh*t and instead would like to see T'Challa's evolution as king continue.

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Black Panther / Re: Toon up! Animated Black Panther Discussion
« on: March 18, 2018, 12:35:48 pm »
And i aint forgave jason aaron yet.  SWAD was cool but a looooong time ago

He got some proving to do!

I won't ever forget or forgive him for simple fact the BP fanbase is too forgiving imo as is ( especially to him & JHick).. They both made or ethier had hand in making BP, Wakanda  & etc look like a simp ass whining punk bitch/bitches at best.. They half ass clean up they both try to do at either the end of the story line or next time they wrote BP/Wakanda don't cut it.. Aaron showed his ass not once, not twice , not three times but at least 4 times..I love See Wakanda & die but f*ck em..I love when JHick 1st started working with BP & fix Mayberry white liberal supremacist bull sh*t , didnt job BP out to Steve O & Tony boy, but slowly he stated to showed his ass multiple times well.. When BP f#+K Teesa (multiple times) With Thor O begging and looking sad saying please not him anyone but him then we can start opening the lines of communication but we can't talk..

When BP f""k Melita & Mariko (multiple times) while Logan looks sad and begs please anyone but him.. Then BP give them haircuts.. Then we can talk..

Yup. Two things I need to see: 1.) T'Challa beating Doom's ass within an inch of Doom's life using superior Wakandan tech... and 2.) T'Challa f*cking Jean Grey before commenting "i don't see what all the hype was about..".

At that point, i can let bygones be bygones

BP needs to Doom ass too death with Namor already dead body, Then bring black SYan, Zuri &  W'Kabi..

I picked Melita & Mariko because imo Logan truly love them and only once Jean because he can't have her..

True.  But knocking down their sacred cow in Jean Grey would infuriate the entire x-fanbase lol... headshot to wolverine, storm, cyclops fans.. all of them... in one shot.  bang!


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Also LOL at A.Shaw  lack of BP knowledge

He's disappointed me   :-\

I thought he was better than that

What did A.shaw say??
Peep the John Stewart thread.  We were talking about the Red Zone run [Geoff Johns] and i mentioned that while most BP fans acknowledge the cool moment of BP breaking Skull's jaw... the actual fight itself is something we look at sideways because NO WAY should BP be getting overwhelmed by Red Skull in h2h to the point where he needs to get saved twice (one by the white guy from Ultimates, the other by Sam Wilson) in order to have a chance at winning.

He said something to the extent of "well Red Skull is in a clone body of Cap and Cap is a better fighter than BP".

So i had to break it down that 1.) a clone body doesn't mean a transfer of skill, 2.) it's moot bc Cap isn't a better fighter than BP 3.) BP has faced superior opponents to Skull and whooped ass. 4.) Geoff just wanted the Nazi to look stronger than the black man.  A black man who was uncharacteristically emotional and easily manipulated into fighting in a fit of rage by the mere taunting of the calm pragmatic white supremacist.

Anthony cool, so i took the time to explain it but i was smh that we even had to go back and forth about it.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 11:05:34 am »
It's why i personally never cared as much for the whole Namor thing.

I mean yes, he needs to die off principle. [ironically marvel writers always side step the fact that Emma Frost is just as culpable for that flood sh*t]

But i always viewed that sh*t as a distraction from the real problematic character in the mytho that needed to be addressed: Dr. Doom.

Pretty much one of those puppets on a string "lets distract the black guy with the asian so that the white racist is off the hook..."

Nah fukk that, i ain't forget

I ain't forget Emma Frost thot ass either

Thats bc all these writers dintvwant to follow through with what comes natural after deconstruction... which is "this us why the hero is the hero"

Look superior spider man... after all thatvstuff, it came down to ock admitting peter was better than him.

Secret wars... doom at the end admitted reed could have done it better. Tchallas natural ending should have been beheading namor and proxima to avenge his sister and people... but no one really cares about him.

After tchalla lost the bp title,  the natural ending was him rising up better than other, to prove that he was the black panther and best king of all of history.

But naw, too worried about stepping on supporting characters toes??? Y??

Nah, BP's natural ending should have been conquering Latveria and a broken frustratex Doom admitting T'Challa would be a better King and ruler.

Then T'Challa says I don't want the trouble of ruling your sh*t country.  Namor and Emma can die or get seriously humbled along the way.  The end.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 09:06:38 am »
It's why i personally never cared as much for the whole Namor thing.

I mean yes, he needs to die off principle. [ironically marvel writers always side step the fact that Emma Frost is just as culpable for that flood sh*t]

But i always viewed that sh*t as a distraction from the real problematic character in the mytho that needed to be addressed: Dr. Doom.

Pretty much one of those puppets on a string "lets distract the black guy with the asian so that the white racist is off the hook..."

Nah fukk that, i ain't forget

I ain't forget Emma Frost thot ass either

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 09:00:39 am »
And i'd agree that the 18 issue transition was way worse than AvX

Fictitious New York gets flooded blownup destroyed invaded every day b!   

People get divorced everyday b! 

Only reason these two concepts dragged on for years and years is because we have ain't sh*t writers who lack a creative bone in their body to do anything but drag out the same tired plot points.

Peter Parker got divorced... he done had 5-6 girlfriends in the 5-6 years that followed.
New York gets the magic wand eraser that removes all the deconstruction from the last 10 big events in the past 5 years that destroyed all of New York.

What happened in those 18 issues is much more problematic because his supporting cast was killed, vibranium was made obsolete, his country and scentific wonders was made to look inferior to a white supremacist, his spiritual diety was made to look useless when her people needed her, and a conflict of interest was made with Shuri being "black panther" not due to T'Challa stepping down or dying but from a story arc where naturally the conclusion would be for him to regain the mantle again.

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Black Panther / Re: Black Panther 2 Speculation Thread
« on: March 18, 2018, 08:43:42 am »
Sometimes I wonder what Hudlin and Mayberry talked about (if they talked at all) during that transition period.

Because those 18 issues pretty much undid the entire 4+ years of Hudlin's work... and then punished BP fans for the next 8 years with these terrible "deconstruction" stories.

As a creator, you absolutely cannot have Doom use Vibranium better than the Wakandans.  Nor can you have Bast let Doom stroll up to the ancestral plane and get a "pass" bc of some made up bullsh*t. And as a creator you cannot have your main character get ambushed and near killed by the final villain of your run, and not have the character get a resounding revenge [death of villain or beating within an inch of the villain's life] after you've established for 4+ years that the character is the type that gets that type of revenge. 

The whole point of ambush attacks in story telling is to establish that the villain has to cheat to get a leg up because otherwise in a level playing field he knows he's going to take that L.  They completely disregarded that basic story book principle to allow the white supremacists to have his way with the black characters mytho.  How was this allowed to go through the planning meeting when Mayberry took over? 

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Black Panther / Re: Toon up! Animated Black Panther Discussion
« on: March 18, 2018, 08:25:01 am »
And i aint forgave jason aaron yet.  SWAD was cool but a looooong time ago

He got some proving to do!

I won't ever forget or forgive him for simple fact the BP fanbase is too forgiving imo as is ( especially to him & JHick).. They both made or ethier had hand in making BP, Wakanda  & etc look like a simp ass whining punk bitch/bitches at best.. They half ass clean up they both try to do at either the end of the story line or next time they wrote BP/Wakanda don't cut it.. Aaron showed his ass not once, not twice , not three times but at least 4 times..I love See Wakanda & die but f*ck em..I love when JHick 1st started working with BP & fix Mayberry white liberal supremacist bull sh*t , didnt job BP out to Steve O & Tony boy, but slowly he stated to showed his ass multiple times well.. When BP f#+K Teesa (multiple times) With Thor O begging and looking sad saying please not him anyone but him then we can start opening the lines of communication but we can't talk..

When BP f""k Melita & Mariko (multiple times) while Logan looks sad and begs please anyone but him.. Then BP give them haircuts.. Then we can talk..

Yup. Two things I need to see: 1.) T'Challa beating Doom's ass within an inch of Doom's life using superior Wakandan tech... and 2.) T'Challa f*cking Jean Grey before commenting "i don't see what all the hype was about..".

At that point, i can let bygones be bygones

BP needs to Doom ass too death with Namor already dead body, Then bring black SYan, Zuri &  W'Kabi..

I picked Melita & Mariko because imo Logan truly love them and only once Jean because he can't have her..

True.  But knocking down their sacred cow in Jean Grey would infuriate the entire x-fanbase lol... headshot to wolverine, storm, cyclops fans.. all of them... in one shot.  bang!


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Also LOL at A.Shaw  lack of BP knowledge

He's disappointed me   :-\

I thought he was better than that

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