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so will Everett Ross be comic relief like how he was in the comics? Hmm... we'll see, I guess.  I wonder if they will slip in the "king of useless white boys" line...  :P

Well, Martin Freeman DOES have a history of playing "ordinary guys caught up in extraordinary events" (see: Bilbo Baggins, Arthur Dent, and arguably John Watson) , so I would assume a certain amount of humor, yeah.
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Both Black Panther as a character and Black Panther fans must get away from this penchant for inclusion and diversity. Inclusion and diversity are terms that translate as please include me in your white framework and ignore my black inferiority; we want the white world to be more diverse by allowing blacks to represent another shade of white. The Black Panther, his fans and enthusiasts are so much more than that.[/b][/font][/size]

Not sure what this means?

I will attempt to clarify MOS.

When so called blacks ask for inclusion, to whom are they making this request? When so called blacks ask for diversity, to whom are they asking to diversify? When so called blacks choose to refer to themselves as a color, people of color, to whom are they distinguishing themselves from? When so called blacks refer to themselves as a minority to whom are the comparing themselves to? Whose standards are they measuring themselves by? The answer to all these queries remains the same. White people.

Some if not most so called blacks feed on a constant diet of there being something wrong with them; from intellect to aesthetics, from history to economics. All of which is simply not true. If this lie is believed then some so called blacks begin to beg for inclusion in the white established institutions and industries decrying their supposed inferiority.

In terms of diversity some so called blacks will change their diction, aesthetics, personal history to be more appealing and acceptable to the white standard. Willing to sacrifice all traits and cultural norms that define and distinguish them as Afrakan so to re-image themselves as just another shade of white.

Bringing this back to the Black Panther we find...

The desire for Black Panther to be part of the Avengers, The Fantastic Four, The Defenders, the Pendragons
The desire for him to be with white women
The desire to westernize the Black Panther and Wakanda

Instead of...

The desire for Wakanda to be the center of all things
The desire for T'Challa to have an Wakandan Afrakan wife or two and children.
The desire to propagate traditional and ancestral Afrakan culture that is devoid of Asian, Arab, European etc. norms and mores.

Storm exemplifies my point. Re-imagine Ororo with Afrakan hair worn in an Afro or if the need for it to hang long braids or dreads. Eye color dark brown or black. Will never happen right (outside of the cover during Hudlin's run)?

T'Challa has manage to avoid many of these cultural insults and writer's shortcomings but not all. This is why I cape for him to have the Dora Milaje as his primary love interest and wives to be; for Wakanda to be his primary focus so to build an Afrakan centered, Afro-futurist world; for the update of all his villains. 

Instead of asking for inclusion build that which one desires or at the very least demand and support only those things that maintain the integrity and dignity of Afrakans. When seeking for diversity look no further than your own people.


This is great. You took it to another level with this post and your previous one critiquing diversity and inclusion and what underlies it, at least coming from many black folks who are always calling for it.

That being said, I don't think Black Panther can achieve all the good things you're describing. Black Panther was created by whites, he's owned by a white company. I think there's a limit there, to the imagination of the forward thinking whites who created him and also the present (an arguably less enlightened) whites who control him, and even some of the black writers who have to work within that system. To achieve what I think you're aiming for, there needs to be an organic character birthed by black minds and drawn by black hands, someone more free (if not completely-I mean none of us are completely immune to white supremacy/racism), to really reach that kind of level of awesomeness without apology. Unfortunately while Panther can sometimes come close and looks the part, all too often, when you read his adventures, you see he remains hobbled, shackled. And it's not just Panther, it's pretty much all the black characters at the mainstream books or any books that come from white companies (I'm throwing Valiant in there as well).

Blacks can't max out their powers, blacks can't be the sole superhero hero that everything is riding on, blacks have to be married or dating non-blacks, asexual, or homosexual. Or blacks can't draw on black history or culture. Blacks have to integrate, blacks rarely have any racial concerns or anxieties or much ties to a black community. Blacks rarely have home lives or internal lives. Blacks might have to preach to other blacks or not critique the system. Blacks often have to serve the system in some capacity.  Blacks can't be angry unless whites approve of it. And sometimes you'll have blacks on drugs or blacks subordinate in some way to white characters.

I remember rolling my eyes at the first issue of the book Rough Riders where Teddy Roosevelt knocks Jack Johnson on his ass. Now this is essentially an American League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and I like the concept of pulling these historical figures together for a team book. But what's the point of having Jack Johnson on the team if he's bested in the first issue by TR? You would assume that Johnson was there for diversity but also to be the fighter, the muscle, and yet, the white creators couldn't even let him own that. He had to be put in his place. And I can imagine the white creators didn't bat any eye at it. Didn't see how they had completely made Johnson weak and useless right off the bat, and to me, this kind of careless approach-or should I say callous-happens across the board with black characters. I don't know if its always intentional, I think it's probably standard. That whites see one standard for themselves and one standard for blacks. It reminds me as well of how black characters have to hold back and that's considered 'noble', when white characters get to do whatever they want. White characters can kill or not, they can inflict lots of violence, but with black characters they are careful about portraying that, and the 'high road' is often evoked, just like it was in Captain America: Civil War with Panther and Zemo. So to me, these books aren't written for us, even sometimes when they are written by us. They are written to mollify and cater to white audiences. And a neutered, damn near raceless, or at least not too racially conscious black superhero who prefers the company of whites to blacks, who doesn't make a fuss, who is happy with his place on the team or whatever, is the aim of these characters, to reinforce the existing hierarchy for both white and other readers.
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Hudlin TV / Re: 24: Legacy
« Last post by Emperorjones on Today at 01:05:27 am »
That is a good point. I do hope the series returns. And when it does, now that we've had the origin story, that it can be a bit fresher.
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Hudlin TV / Re: Star Trek Discovery casts lead
« Last post by Emperorjones on Today at 01:04:17 am »
Voyager ended with the crew making it back to Earth. Sometime after that Janeway is promoted to admiral. She makes a cameo in Star Trek Nemesis. I also didn't watch a lot of Voyager and the two seasons of Enterprise. I've got to pump myself up to finish both on Netflix.
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Milestone Media / Re: Milestone 2.0 dead?
« Last post by Emperorjones on Today at 01:01:10 am »
Whoa. Thanks for weighing on this. I was hoping the project wasn't dead.
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Milestone Media / Re: Milestone 2.0 dead?
« Last post by Reginald Hudlin on Today at 12:17:46 am »
I actually read it now.

I wasn't there during the founding of Milestone. But I've talked with every founder.  All the stories are consistent - except one. 

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Other Comics / Noir Caesar
« Last post by CvilleWakandan on Yesterday at 09:10:50 pm »
Found this manga subscription website. Only .99 cents a month for content from diverse creators. I haven't signed up, but will update if I do. Looks interesting and is something I would be able to supply regular support too.


https://www.noircaesar.com
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Other Comics / Re: Luke Cage #1
« Last post by CvilleWakandan on Yesterday at 08:55:37 pm »
Not at all yet. First scene was New York. Rest was cemetery and an estate way outside of town.
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The desire for Wakanda to be the center of all things
The desire for T'Challa to have an Wakandan Afrakan wife or two and children.
The desire to propagate traditional and ancestral Afrakan culture that is devoid of Asian, Arab, European etc. norms and mores.

Storm exemplifies my point. Re-imagine Ororo with Afrakan hair worn in an Afro or if the need for it to hang long braids or dreads. Eye color dark brown or black. Will never happen right (outside of the cover during Hudlin's run)?

T'Challa has manage to avoid many of these cultural insults and writer's shortcomings but not all. This is why I cape for him to have the Dora Milaje as his primary love interest and wives to be; for Wakanda to be his primary focus so to build an Afrakan centered, Afro-futurist world; for the update of all his villains. 

Instead of asking for inclusion build that which one desires or at the very least demand and support only those things that maintain the integrity and dignity of Afrakans. When seeking for diversity look no further than your own people. [/b][/font][/size]
I want a international avengers team, with Tchalla leading, or a Marvel's Monarchs (Tchalla, Namor,
Black bolt/Medusa, mags, and Doom.. could be fun) with T'Challa being the behind the scenes.

I wouldn't mind a World/Black Avengers with Tchalla leading the team. There is so much that can be done. But I think Wakanda should be a bigger player in the MU then what we have seen. So much to play with

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so will Everett Ross be comic relief like how he was in the comics? Hmm... we'll see, I guess.  I wonder if they will slip in the "king of useless white boys" line...  :P
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