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Offline Tanksleyd

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 07:54:43 am »
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

More voters beheld Franklin Delano Roosevelt than any other American.

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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2012, 07:59:49 am »
FDR is the greatest American President.  Not that you would agree, Mike, but just stating it. 

So Reginald, despite some of the factors and considerations that I raised above, why do you believe FDR to be America's GREATEST President? Since you started this digression, the least you can do is share your reasons. Instead of just tweaking me in the belly-button with your cyber-index-finger, hahahaha.
The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
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because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2012, 08:01:36 am »
Sarah Palin though is the reigning queen of Hillbilly Republican Logic.

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 08:02:51 am »
I have time to think out this in detail, but off the top of my head:

Greatest war time president.

Steered us out of the Great Depression.

WPA programs not only put Americans back to work, but made great public works projects from that we still benefit from today.  

Among those he hired were artists that fed the nation's soul.

Social security.

Great wife who was a leader in racial integration.

The GI Bill which you don't want to give him credit for.  

Did all this while fighting a debilitating disease.  


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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 08:13:02 am »
Hillbilly Republican Logic tells us that America's most elected president during her "most finest hour" was a failure. With the nerve to wear a straight face as they lie to our children in the name of John Wayne's Wild, wild west. When men were men and all others knew their place: Hillbilly Republican Logic.

Hillbilly Republican Logic claims that only war saved Roosevelt on the perfected theory that war supports an economy. Yet America still awaits the Trickle Down oil of Iraq.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2012, 09:24:43 am »
I have time to think out this in detail, but off the top of my head:

Greatest war time president.

Steered us out of the Great Depression.

WPA programs not only put Americans back to work, but made great public works projects from that we still benefit from today.  

Among those he hired were artists that fed the nation's soul.

Social security.

Great wife who was a leader in racial integration.

The GI Bill which you don't want to give him credit for.  

Did all this while fighting a debilitating disease.  


Thanks Reg.  Well, I see a mixed bag more than you do, for the reasons I stated. Had we recovered sooner from the Depression absent some misplaced Federal meddling who knows what would have been. But I understand where you are coming from as to the programs you cite. I do think Evans got it wrong though, in his overstatement that it was FDR's programs that caused us to emerge from the Great Depression.  

We were attacked in WWII and there was overwhelming bipartisan support for the war effort, of course. So after Pearl Harbor FDR didn't have to deal with partisan backbiting. Despite FDR's accomplishments, as we did win the war, I've shared my concerns as to the Jews, the Japanese-Americans, and the Soviets.

You'll get no disagreement from me regarding Eleanor's support for integration. But that was Elenor. In my view that doesn't make her husband the greatest President.

I have no agenda regarding the GI Bill. Other than the truth. I was actually surprised by what I learned last night when I looked into its history. I bet you didn't know what I found either, regarding the central role of its Republican author and the American Legion. Interesting, eh?

And again, thanks for so quickly responding with your thoughts. Helps to know where you are coming from for sure.

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The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
It is called the Great Mother
because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

Tao Te Ching, Ch. 6

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2012, 12:17:04 pm »
I have time to think out this in detail, but off the top of my head:

Greatest war time president.

Steered us out of the Great Depression.

WPA programs not only put Americans back to work, but made great public works projects from that we still benefit from today.  

Among those he hired were artists that fed the nation's soul.

Social security.

Great wife who was a leader in racial integration.

The GI Bill which you don't want to give him credit for.  

Did all this while fighting a debilitating disease.  



America gained more from World War Two than any other. Making up for the lost opportunity of World War ONE.

Roosevelt's policies of 1933 outlived all the industrialized governments of it's time to include The Commonwealth.

WPA not only employed millions it also began the restoration of the America infrastructure: The greatest Trickle Down wealth effect of all time, contributing directly to the All Around health.

FDR presided at a time when American art leap-frogged the world and to this day has never looked back.

Social Security makes a mockery of the declining value of 401K, popularized under Ronald Reagan (along with Nixon's HMO).

Yes, even he hid behind Eleanor when convenient. Nothing new there as Republicans are fond to say.

Ronald Reagan actually capped (cut/eliminated) the lifetime education benefit of the original GI Bill.

Reagan did this while creating a record breaking debt AND deficit.

One wonders, just who is the favorite president of Hillbilly Republicans?

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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2012, 12:34:08 pm »
PS: The GI Bill was (is) 100% Socialist (with a capital "S") from a time when the top tax rate approached 91%.

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2012, 12:43:09 pm »
The sad thing is that Rural America LOVED socialist Roosevelt Democrats until July 2, 1964.

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2012, 02:26:56 pm »
The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
It is called the Great Mother
because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

Tao Te Ching, Ch. 6

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2012, 02:35:06 pm »
Another point about Roosevelt's success:
Roosevelt did not believe in Trickle Down wealth
Roosevelt promoted the All Around health
And the Middle Class grew exponentially.

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2012, 02:37:42 pm »
Mitt Romney by default, of course, is the king of Hillbilly Republican Logic:
What issue has he NOT flipped on?

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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2012, 04:00:34 pm »
The term 'wealth distribution' is probably one of the most misleading political complaints of all:
It implies that someone who earns a meager $12,000 - $16,000  a year who pays income taxes is wealthy. ;D

The term should really be 'contribution' as a legal requirement to help make this country run.



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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2012, 04:10:52 pm »
Beyond Reagan's Trickle Down deficit one wonders, just who is the favorite president of Republicans?

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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2012, 04:38:01 pm »
Mexico has the richest man.
Canada has the richer society.
Which direction will America go?