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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2012, 09:12:38 am »
Success has many fathers but the GI Bill was a Socialist high tax program that Ronald Reagan capped.

Hillbilly Republican Logic promotes Lincoln's income tax and belittles Roosevelt's masterful use of that tax.


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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2012, 09:17:49 am »
I didn't know the origin of the GI Bill, and if it was a bipartisan one, but that was from an era where Republicans worked together with Democrats for the good of the American people.  They understood that government is a powerful tool to help people, not the root of all evil.  Today's Republican Party would NEVER come up with the idea or allow it to pass.  Today's Republicans are too committed to partisan politics above the common good to support a Democratic President doing something that would help that many non-wealthy Americans. 

Oh for heaven's sake. You didn't answer my question. There is no "if."  I provided you the links, including from the Government website, for a reason.  Nor were the Republicans merely "supporting" the President. That is inaccurate spin. The Republicans played a central originating role. Do you intend in the future to correct any mistatement of this fact?  Of course doing so would not prevent you from expressing your opinion of the Republican party of 2012, but that is a different point.

I'm asking because I know what I would do.

As to your opinion, as I recall the Bush budgets had significant funds allocated to entitlements and social programs and federal agencies. But that is another issue. Here, I'm more interested in your approach to political discourse.   



The question was answered in the person of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Your only reply took place before April, 1865 and you can only point to a high tax program as proof of GOP Republican integrity.

The truth of the matter is that Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964. Your attempts to state otherwise only amount to the "welfare Queen" of Hillbilly Republican Logic.

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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2012, 10:09:01 am »
The State of the Ship?

As Walker of Wisconsin enjoys the success of Reagan Democrats who forgot to vote in 2010, historians are finally understanding: What has gotten better for the Middle Class (THAT GREW EXPONENTIALLY AFTER FDR's World War TWO), what has gotten better for the Middle Class after Reagan fired the Union?

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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2012, 10:56:00 am »
Let me be more clear Michael...the I don't subscribe to the partisan thinking of today's GOP.  They will reject their own ideas if Democrats embrace it.  That wasn't always the case with the Republicans. But it's ruining our country today.

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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2012, 11:19:31 am »
In fact the RomneyCare model for Obama was created by Bob Dole as a response to Clinton's Universal Healthcare plan.

A Republican idea, now cursed by Republicans!
aka: Hillbilly Republican Logic (will ruin America).

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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2012, 11:48:44 am »
Let me be more clear Michael...the I don't subscribe to the partisan thinking of today's GOP.  They will reject their own ideas if Democrats embrace it.  That wasn't always the case with the Republicans. But it's ruining our country today.

Yes, I understand this is your opinion of the GOP today.

My question is whether you would correct or condone the misrepresentation of historical fact.  Because I've seen people including yourself giving credit only to FDR and the Democrats for the GI Bill. That is factually inaccurate if they don't also acknowledge the central role Republicans played at the time. I'm pressing the point as I'm really curious whether on reflection you would correct someone or not? 

Are you an "end justifies the means" guy or a "state the facts accurately and let the chips fall where they may" guy or some other kinda guy?

I think this is a fair thing to ask about.
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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2012, 12:04:04 pm »
Egads.  Are you so desperate to claim Republican credit for the one "socialist" bill that you can't deny has great value that you will keep pressing this point?  Because that is exactly the kind of partisan thinking I'm talking about.

Lincoln, a Republican, freed the slaves.

Eisenhower warned us the military industrial complex. 

Nixon opened relations to China.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.  I judge the idea, not the party it comes from. 

But you and the party you represent can't do the same.

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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2012, 12:50:11 pm »
The GI Bill was but a cap of FDR's Socialist policies that elevated and integrated Rural American in-bred, illiterate Hillbillies into "American" society. The final piece of this integration perhaps was when Country music radio finally entered the markets in northeastern cities in the 1980's along with the arrival of the CMA awards national broadcast.

With massive taxation and government spending Roosevelt built a national infrastructure of dams from the Hoover Dam to the TVA that literally electrified the countryside. Yes welfare as we knew it was created to assist these Rural in-breds. Meanwhile the stereotypical Black of the day cowered in the south share-cropping for pennies and White European immigrants creating the Mafia in the Urban north slapping granddaddy for protection money bootleg.

Finally when mass-media revealed the true treatment of cowering Blacks, a rich playboy president cut taxes just in time for Blacks to sit in the front of the bus. Thus while Rural America celebrated it's first generation as a college educated, home owning Middle Class directly due in large part to the GI bill, the funding for Black America's new status post July 2, 1964 was cut. So Johnson's Great Society to elevate Blacks was never funded as was Roosevelt's New Deal that elevated Hillbillies.

When Reagan placed his cap of "Welfare Queen" and capped/cut/eliminated the GI Bill's lifetime education benefit, few realized it but the exponential growth of Roosevelt's Middle Class had come to an end.

Hillbilly Republican Logic has blinded us to the Roosevelt wheelchair fact that when the least of us is supported, the whole of us is elevated.

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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2012, 12:58:08 pm »
Let me be more clear Michael...the I don't subscribe to the partisan thinking of today's GOP.  They will reject their own ideas if Democrats embrace it.  That wasn't always the case with the Republicans. But it's ruining our country today.

Yes, I understand this is your opinion of the GOP today.

My question is whether you would correct or condone the misrepresentation of historical fact.  Because I've seen people including yourself giving credit only to FDR and the Democrats for the GI Bill. That is factually inaccurate if they don't also acknowledge the central role Republicans played at the time. I'm pressing the point as I'm really curious whether on reflection you would correct someone or not? 

Are you an "end justifies the means" guy or a "state the facts accurately and let the chips fall where they may" guy or some other kinda guy?

I think this is a fair thing to ask about.

Was it fair for Hillbilly Republicans to take flight before they would integrate with Blacks for a better America?

Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964.

The entire industrialized world embraces the word "Socialist" except the one with large racial (Civil Righted) populations....Is that fair?

Perhaps as it is with Brazil, even more Affirmative Action is needed in America.

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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2012, 01:02:30 pm »
Let me be more clear Michael...the I don't subscribe to the partisan thinking of today's GOP.  They will reject their own ideas if Democrats embrace it.  That wasn't always the case with the Republicans. But it's ruining our country today.

Grandmom's Death Panels were not created for clarity.
Grandmom's Death Panels were created with Hillbilly Republican Logic.

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« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2012, 01:03:40 pm »
I didn't know the origin of the GI Bill, and if it was a bipartisan one, but that was from an era where Republicans worked together with Democrats for the good of the American people.  They understood that government is a powerful tool to help people, not the root of all evil.  Today's Republican Party would NEVER come up with the idea or allow it to pass.  Today's Republicans are too committed to partisan politics above the common good to support a Democratic President doing something that would help that many non-wealthy Americans. 

Oh for heaven's sake. You didn't answer my question. There is no "if."  I provided you the links, including from the Government website, for a reason.  Nor were the Republicans merely "supporting" the President. That is inaccurate spin. The Republicans played a central originating role. Do you intend in the future to correct any mistatement of this fact?  Of course doing so would not prevent you from expressing your opinion of the Republican party of 2012, but that is a different point.

I'm asking because I know what I would do.

As to your opinion, as I recall the Bush budgets had significant funds allocated to entitlements and social programs and federal agencies. But that is another issue. Here, I'm more interested in your approach to political discourse.   



The question was answered in the person of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Your only reply took place before April, 1865 and you can only point to a high tax program as proof of GOP Republican integrity.

The truth of the matter is that Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964. Your attempts to state otherwise only amount to the "welfare Queen" of Hillbilly Republican Logic.

Your only reply took place before April, 1865 and you can only point to a high tax program as proof of GOP Republican integrity.

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« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2012, 01:22:10 pm »
They claim the last election by accusing the president of placing grandmom into a death panel and now they want to be fair...

...Like I said, Hillbilly Republican Logic.

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« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2012, 01:26:42 pm »
 
Egads.  Are you so desperate to claim Republican credit for the one "socialist" bill that you can't deny has great value that you will keep pressing this point?  Because that is exactly the kind of partisan thinking I'm talking about.

Lincoln, a Republican, freed the slaves.

Eisenhower warned us the military industrial complex.  

Nixon opened relations to China.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.  I judge the idea, not the party it comes from.  

But you and the party you represent can't do the same.

Reginald, I represent only myself. I am not a tool of any political party. Given who I have expressed criticism of in the past, you know that is true.

I don't know why you're forcing me to try to read between the lines here. It sounds like you are saying that you are willing to give the historical Republicans of 1944 equal credit for the GI Bill.  And that you would correct someone who misstated that historical fact. That's all I was curious about. Sounds like a "yes" favoring correction of inaccuracy.

I don't care that much about the specific issue here. I was asking more about your personal style in discussing politics. How you see yourself.

For the record though, I believe WWII veterans deserved the GI Bill, given their sacrifice and the disruption of their lives. They earned it.  If you wish to call recognition of our war veterans "socialist" then I'm a socialist, hahahaha.   ;D
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It is called the Great Mother
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It is like a vapor,
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Use it effortlessly.

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« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2012, 01:42:45 pm »
I represent the policies of FDR and the time that I was born when the top tax rate was 91% and the infrastructure was built out in a way that MASSIVELY benefits ALL of America to this day.

You represent a backwards way of thinking that can only point to the Wild, wild west pre-1865 as the ideal government. You represent a force that would lie to the children of America to claim that our most elected president during our "finest hour" was a failure. You represent a lie that cannot admit the reality of May 17, 1954 and July 2, 1964. Since that time period and the articulation of Ronald Reagan firing a complete Middle Class Union there has been an assault on Public Health, Public Education and Public Transportation that I have come to know as Hillbilly Republican Logic that you represent so very well.

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« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2012, 01:45:32 pm »
Egads.  Are you so desperate to claim Republican credit for the one "socialist" bill that you can't deny has great value that you will keep pressing this point?  Because that is exactly the kind of partisan thinking I'm talking about.

Lincoln, a Republican, freed the slaves.

Eisenhower warned us the military industrial complex.  

Nixon opened relations to China.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due.  I judge the idea, not the party it comes from.  

But you and the party you represent can't do the same.

Reginald, I represent only myself. I am not a tool of any political party. Given who I have expressed criticism of in the past, you know that is true.

I don't know why you're forcing me to try to read between the lines here. It sounds like you are saying that you are willing to give the historical Republicans of 1944 equal credit for the GI Bill.  And that you would correct someone who misstated that historical fact. That's all I was curious about. Sounds like a "yes" favoring correction of inaccuracy.

I don't care that much about the specific issue here. I was asking more about your personal style in discussing politics. How you see yourself.

For the record though, I believe WWII veterans deserved the GI Bill, given their sacrifice and the disruption of their lives. They earned it.  If you wish to call recognition of our war veterans "socialist" then I'm a socialist, hahahaha.   ;D

Why do you lie to children?