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« Reply #75 on: June 20, 2012, 10:45:52 pm »
Tanksleyd ... I was saying there was a broad consensus of Republicans and Democrats in 1944 who supported the G.I. Bill, and rightly so, with Republicans playing a very very important role in originating the legislation. I remember when Reagan cut benefits to G.I.'s and at the time I thought that was wrong, as I have consistently favored giving our veterans, and particularly war veterans, the benefits that they earned as well as the gratitude they deserve. To my mind, this relates to one of the primary legitimate functions of our Federal Government, to provide for the common defense, and that includes treating with decency and respect those who have put their lives on the line for all of us and our children and their children, in defending us.

Can I acknowledge to you that FDR was America’s greatest President?  Well, ask the Japanese-American citizen who on the President’s executive order was pulled out of his home and into a detention camp in some desert sh*t hole for the duration of the war, who had to sell his home for pennies on the dollar, who lost his business and most of his savings, who lost everything. While he looked on at his fellow citizens, white Italian-Americans and German-Americans, living their lives unhindered. Ask the Jewish woman being pushed into the gas chamber who had been transported on train tracks that could have been readily bombed, but was not because killing Jews was viewed by FDR as a good diversion of German military resources that otherwise might be used against the Allies. Ask the Eastern European who was enslaved by Communism for decades because of the deals struck near the end of the war by FDR and Uncle Joe Stalin. Together with Stalin's spies in our government. Do I think FDR was America’s greatest President? Hell no.  

There is more to the measure of a President than the domestic programs he was willing to authorize (particularly given that some of his polices may have actually lengthened the Great Depression).

I don’t wish to judge Roosevelt too harshly. He was living in difficult times and faced major challenges. He greatly inspired the nation. He led us to victory. But I refuse to place the man on a pedestal.

As to the other partisan political bullcrap … enjoy. Eat up.  :P

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It is like a vapor,
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Use it effortlessly.

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« Reply #76 on: June 20, 2012, 11:21:53 pm »
Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964...The history that you lie to children about.

"They will never admit it"...Alistair Cooke, 1972

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« Reply #77 on: June 20, 2012, 11:38:37 pm »
Tanksleyd ... I was saying there was a broad consensus of Republicans and Democrats in 1944 who supported the G.I. Bill, and rightly so, with Republicans playing a very very important role in originating the legislation. I remember when Reagan cut benefits to G.I.'s and at the time I thought that was wrong, as I have consistently favored giving our veterans, and particularly war veterans, the benefits that they earned as well as the gratitude they deserve. To my mind, this relates to one of the primary legitimate functions of our Federal Government, to provide for the common defense, and that includes treating with decency and respect those who have put their lives on the line for all of us and our children and their children, in defending us.

Can I acknowledge to you that FDR was America’s greatest President?  Well, ask the Japanese-American citizen who on the President’s executive order was pulled out of his home and into a detention camp in some desert sh*t hole for the duration of the war, who had to sell his home for pennies on the dollar, who lost his business and most of his savings, who lost everything. While he looked on at his fellow citizens, white Italian-Americans and German-Americans, living their lives unhindered. Ask the Jewish woman being pushed into the gas chamber who had been transported on a train line that could have been readily bombed, but was not because killing Jews was a viewed by FDR as a good diversion of German military resources that otherwise might be used against the Allies. Ask the Eastern European who was enslaved by Communism for decades because of the deals struck near the end of the war by FDR and Uncle Joe Stalin. Together with Stalin's spies in our government. Do I think FDR was America’s greatest President? Hell no.  

There is more to the measure of a President than the domestic programs he was willing to authorize (particular given that some of his polices may have actually lengthened the Great Depression).

I don’t wish to judge Roosevelt too harshly. He was living in difficult times and faced major challenges. He greatly inspired the nation. He led us to victory. But I refuse to place the man on a pedestal.

As to the other partisan political bullcrap … enjoy. Eat up.  :P

Sincerely,


    


Why do you lie to children?

Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964...The history that you lie to children about.

"They will never admit it"...Alistair Cooke, 1972


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« Reply #78 on: June 20, 2012, 11:51:15 pm »
This is why the TV show "Dallas" (a show I've never watched a day in my life), a show to signal a new begining to an era when reagan was elected, has returned to network television today.



What next...  Dukes of Hazzard County?

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« Reply #79 on: June 20, 2012, 11:56:07 pm »
Tanksleyd, are you high on something?


Yes we are obliterating the poor and then wonder why the Middle Class sinks from the Trickle Down weights of Hillbilly Republican Logic.



Falling ever so short of the All Around HEIGHTS of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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« Reply #80 on: June 21, 2012, 12:05:34 am »


Falling ever so short of the All Around heights of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
As we obliterate the poor, the Middle Class sinks under the Trickle Down weights of Hillbilly Republican Logic.


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« Reply #81 on: June 21, 2012, 12:37:26 am »
Reagan, the epitome of Hillbilly Republican Logic:



http://just-off-the-cuff.blogspot.com/2007/08/regan-cuts-gi-billbush-opposes-full-gi.html

Success has many fathers but Reagan cut the GI Bill at his first opportunity.


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« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2012, 12:54:42 am »
PS: I am a veteran and recall the letter I got in the 1980's saying that my lifetime GI Bill education benefits were being cut.



The fiscal conservative who gave America record setting deficits and debt
aka: Hillbilly Republican Logic.

Kinda like Bush giving us Trickle Down oil from Iraq.



Or Romney pretending to care:



Returning America to the Wild, wild west John Wayne mentality of Every-Man-For-Himself.

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« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2012, 01:06:36 am »


Government = Business (?) November 6, 2012: You decide.


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« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2012, 01:58:53 am »



Roosevelt understood that to support the least of us,



...elevates the whole of us.

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« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2012, 08:13:07 am »
Tanksleyd ... I was saying there was a broad consensus of Republicans and Democrats in 1944 who supported the G.I. Bill, and rightly so, with Republicans playing a very very important role in originating the legislation. I remember when Reagan cut benefits to G.I.'s and at the time I thought that was wrong, as I have consistently favored giving our veterans, and particularly war veterans, the benefits that they earned as well as the gratitude they deserve. To my mind, this relates to one of the primary legitimate functions of our Federal Government, to provide for the common defense, and that includes treating with decency and respect those who have put their lives on the line for all of us and our children and their children, in defending us.

Can I acknowledge to you that FDR was America’s greatest President?  Well, ask the Japanese-American citizen who on the President’s executive order was pulled out of his home and into a detention camp in some desert sh*t hole for the duration of the war, who had to sell his home for pennies on the dollar, who lost his business and most of his savings, who lost everything. While he looked on at his fellow citizens, white Italian-Americans and German-Americans, living their lives unhindered. Ask the Jewish woman being pushed into the gas chamber who had been transported on a train line that could have been readily bombed, but was not because killing Jews was a viewed by FDR as a good diversion of German military resources that otherwise might be used against the Allies. Ask the Eastern European who was enslaved by Communism for decades because of the deals struck near the end of the war by FDR and Uncle Joe Stalin. Together with Stalin's spies in our government. Do I think FDR was America’s greatest President? Hell no.  

There is more to the measure of a President than the domestic programs he was willing to authorize (particular given that some of his polices may have actually lengthened the Great Depression).

I don’t wish to judge Roosevelt too harshly. He was living in difficult times and faced major challenges. He greatly inspired the nation. He led us to victory. But I refuse to place the man on a pedestal.

As to the other partisan political bullcrap … enjoy. Eat up.  :P

Sincerely
    

Why do you lie to the children?

In truth, I have been scrupulously honest and have simply urged the same from all. If you, Reginald, and others condone Roosevelt's acts, described above, you are welcome to your opinion.

The GI Bill, by strongly encouraging higher education, was wholly consistent with the work ethic embraced by most of the GIs who upon their return were interested in improving themselves and providing for their wives and children (then existing or planned). Their focus was on self-improvement, many being the first to go to college in their families. They stood out at the colleges and universities as incredibly hard working, disciplined, and serious. Because of their ethos, the use of the education benefit far exceeded expectations, while their taking the unemployment component was far below projections.   

Indeed, the work programs adopted before the war also demanded hard work, in some cases grueling work.

I don't believe these programs undermined the work ethic or the family.
The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
It is called the Great Mother
because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

Tao Te Ching, Ch. 6

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« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2012, 08:17:43 am »
Still when stripped of the Reagan facade you can only point to pre-1865 as an ideal time for America.

Why can't you admit the obvious?

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« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2012, 08:20:41 am »
Tanksleyd ... I was saying there was a broad consensus of Republicans and Democrats in 1944 who supported the G.I. Bill, and rightly so, with Republicans playing a very very important role in originating the legislation. I remember when Reagan cut benefits to G.I.'s and at the time I thought that was wrong, as I have consistently favored giving our veterans, and particularly war veterans, the benefits that they earned as well as the gratitude they deserve. To my mind, this relates to one of the primary legitimate functions of our Federal Government, to provide for the common defense, and that includes treating with decency and respect those who have put their lives on the line for all of us and our children and their children, in defending us.

Can I acknowledge to you that FDR was America’s greatest President?  Well, ask the Japanese-American citizen who on the President’s executive order was pulled out of his home and into a detention camp in some desert sh*t hole for the duration of the war, who had to sell his home for pennies on the dollar, who lost his business and most of his savings, who lost everything. While he looked on at his fellow citizens, white Italian-Americans and German-Americans, living their lives unhindered. Ask the Jewish woman being pushed into the gas chamber who had been transported on a train line that could have been readily bombed, but was not because killing Jews was a viewed by FDR as a good diversion of German military resources that otherwise might be used against the Allies. Ask the Eastern European who was enslaved by Communism for decades because of the deals struck near the end of the war by FDR and Uncle Joe Stalin. Together with Stalin's spies in our government. Do I think FDR was America’s greatest President? Hell no.  

There is more to the measure of a President than the domestic programs he was willing to authorize (particular given that some of his polices may have actually lengthened the Great Depression).

I don’t wish to judge Roosevelt too harshly. He was living in difficult times and faced major challenges. He greatly inspired the nation. He led us to victory. But I refuse to place the man on a pedestal.

As to the other partisan political bullcrap … enjoy. Eat up.  :P

Sincerely
    

Why do you lie to the children?

In truth, I have been scrupulously honest and have simply urged the same from all. If you, Reginald, and others condone Roosevelt's acts, described above, you are welcome to your opinion.

The GI Bill, by strongly encouraging higher education, was wholly consistent with the work ethic embraced by most of the GIs who upon their return were interested in improving themselves and providing for their wives and children (then existing or planned). Their focus was on self-improvement, many being the first to go to college in their families. They stood out at the colleges and universities as incredibly hard working, disciplined, and serious. Because of their ethos, the use of the education benefit far exceeded expectations, while their taking the unemployment component was far below projections.   

Indeed, the work programs adopted before the war also demanded hard work, in some cases grueling work.

I don't believe these programs undermined the work ethic or the family.

A Republican claiming credit for a high tax socialist program that Reagan cut at his first opportunity feigning innocence.....

Is it just me....or is Hillbilly Republican Logic ruining America?

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« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2012, 08:21:02 am »
Still when stripped of the Reagan facade you can only point to pre-1865 as an ideal time for America.

Why can't you admit the obvious?

Cut the bullsh*t, please.
The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
It is called the Great Mother
because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

Tao Te Ching, Ch. 6

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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2012, 08:23:07 am »
Your honor, Exhibit A:

Still when stripped of the Reagan facade you can only point to pre-1865 as an ideal time for America.

Why can't you admit the obvious?

Cut the bullsh*t, please.