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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2012, 05:17:52 pm »
Beyond Reagan's Trickle Down deficit one wonders, just who is the favorite president of Republicans?


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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2012, 05:27:27 pm »
Lincoln: The original big/central government president and the creator of the first income tax.
Excellent choice for one who wants to return America to the Wild, wild west.


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« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2012, 07:19:58 pm »
The term 'wealth distribution' is probably one of the most misleading political complaints of all:
It implies that someone who earns a meager $12,000 - $16,000  a year who pays income taxes is wealthy. ;D

The term should really be 'contribution' as a legal requirement to help make this country run.

I agree. That's what taxes should be for.  :)
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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2012, 07:37:15 pm »
It is not Lincoln per se, it is the Republican desire to return America to the 1800's per se.

aka: Hillbilly Republican Logic.

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« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2012, 08:21:56 pm »
Mexico has the richest man.
Canada has the richer society.
Which direction will America go?
POWERFUL QUESTION.

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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2012, 10:09:40 pm »
That we as Americans have descended to the point that we must now discuss which other nation the United States of America must emulate reveals how ill as people we have become.

As a general matter, not with reference to any specific country, I will say that neither rigid egalitarianism nor rigid elitism appeal to me.

We are much better than either. Or we used to be.

But, then, at this point perhaps we do deserve what we get.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2012, 04:34:54 am »
Hillbilly Republicans have always been impressed by big words.
I am impressed by FDR.

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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2012, 05:52:48 am »
Mexico has the richest man.
Canada has the richer society.
Which direction will America go?
POWERFUL QUESTION.

The power is that shown the fallacy of Reagan's deficit, Hillbilly Republican Logic can only point to Socialist policies and big government presidents as steps forward in America.

The best articulation of Hillbilly Republicans is to return to the Every-Man-For-Himself America of John Wayne's Wild, wild west in Lincoln's 19th Century...before April 15, 1865.

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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2012, 06:05:59 am »
The state of the ship?

Look at the Blue-State/Red-State maps of 1956 and 1964.
Look at the Blue-State/Red-State maps east of the Mississippi.
Look at the Confederacy and the Union of Mr. Lincoln's 1864.
Yes Hillbilly Republicans want to return to '64 alright.

Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964.

The state of the ship?

All industrialized nations have socialized medicine except the one with large racial populations.

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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2012, 08:09:01 am »
Reginald, I've a serious question for you personally. Regarding rhetoric surrounding the GI Bill passed with strong. bipartisan support in 1944. I imagine you were as surprised as I was to learn that the original author was the former Chairman of the Republican National Committee and former president of the American Legion, and that the American Legion played a central role in pushing through that legislation. I understand that in ignorance you (and I) believed it to be a Democratic achievement. However, now we both know of the central Republican role as well. So I'm wondering if, in the future when you hear people making misleading or inaccurate statements to take sole credit for their party or to FDR alone, do you intend, out of fairness, to correct them?  Because it clearly was a bipartisan product. An important one.  

The reason I'm asking is that at times I have corrected conservatives when they cite a falsehood or misleading point to support a position. Yet I have also seen zealous advocates continue to do so, even when they know the truth, I suppose under the rationale that the end justifies the means.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2012, 08:21:54 am »
I didn't know the origin of the GI Bill, and if it was a bipartisan one, but that was from an era where Republicans worked together with Democrats for the good of the American people.  They understood that government is a powerful tool to help people, not the root of all evil.  Today's Republican Party would NEVER come up with the idea or allow it to pass.  Today's Republicans are too committed to partisan politics above the common good to support a Democratic President doing something that would help that many non-wealthy Americans. 

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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2012, 08:28:11 am »
Reginald, I've a serious question for you personally. Regarding rhetoric surrounding the GI Bill passed with strong. bipartisan support in 1944. I imagine you were as surprised as I was to learn that the original author was the former Chairman of the Republican National Committee and former president of the American Legion, and that the American Legion played a central role in pushing through that legislation. I understand that in ignorance you (and I) believed it to be a Democratic achievement. However, now we both know of the central Republican role as well. So I'm wondering if, in the future when you hear people making misleading or inaccurate statements to take sole credit for their party or to FDR alone, do you intend, out of fairness, to correct them?  Because it clearly was a bipartisan product. An important one.  

The reason I'm asking is that at times I have corrected conservatives when they cite a falsehood or misleading point to support a position. Yet I have also seen zealous advocates continue to do so, even when they know the truth, I suppose under the rationale that the end justifies the means.

Supporting Socialist high tax programs that Reagan capped

or

Hillbilly Republican Logic?

Only her hairdresser knows for sure.

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2012, 08:31:53 am »
Hillbilly Republican Logic tells us that America's most elected president during her "most finest hour" was a failure. With the nerve to wear a straight face as they lie to our children in the name of John Wayne's Wild, wild west. When men were men and all others knew their place: Hillbilly Republican Logic.

Hillbilly Republican Logic claims that only war saved Roosevelt on the perfected theory that war supports an economy. Yet America still awaits the Trickle Down oil of Iraq.

With the nerve to wear a straight face as they lie to our children in the name of John Wayne's Wild, wild west.

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2012, 08:34:25 am »
The state of the ship?

Look at the Blue-State/Red-State maps of 1956 and 1964.
Look at the Blue-State/Red-State maps east of the Mississippi.
Look at the Confederacy and the Union of Mr. Lincoln's 1864.
Yes Hillbilly Republicans want to return to '64 alright.

Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964.

The state of the ship?

All industrialized nations have socialized medicine except the one with large racial populations.

The biggest force in the history of American politics: "They will never admit it"...Alistair Cooke, 1972.



Rural America LOVED socialist FDR Democrats until July 2, 1964.

"They will never admit it"...Alistair Cooke, 1972.

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2012, 09:07:36 am »
I didn't know the origin of the GI Bill, and if it was a bipartisan one, but that was from an era where Republicans worked together with Democrats for the good of the American people.  They understood that government is a powerful tool to help people, not the root of all evil.  Today's Republican Party would NEVER come up with the idea or allow it to pass.  Today's Republicans are too committed to partisan politics above the common good to support a Democratic President doing something that would help that many non-wealthy Americans. 

Oh for heaven's sake. You didn't answer my question. There is no "if."  I provided you the links, including from the Government website, for a reason.  Nor were the Republicans merely "supporting" the President. That is inaccurate spin. The Republicans played a central originating role. Do you intend in the future to correct any mistatement of this fact?  Of course doing so would not prevent you from expressing your opinion of the Republican party of 2012, but that is a different point.

I'm asking because I know what I would do.

As to your opinion, as I recall the Bush budgets had significant funds allocated to entitlements and social programs and federal agencies. But that is another issue. Here, I'm more interested in your approach to political discourse.   

The spirit of emptiness is immortal.
It is called the Great Mother
because it gives birth to Heaven and Earth.
It is like a vapor,
barely seen but always present.
Use it effortlessly.

Tao Te Ching, Ch. 6