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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #90 on: April 30, 2014, 12:34:37 am »
Thread topic=  IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad

How the marriage ended?

For starters, the very concept of marriage & royalty comes out of Africa.

 *Name a King & Queen  out-side of the African continent before “King Tut” & his Queen Ankhesenamun? Jus’ name one? One? The first Pharaoh Namer & the Queen-wife Senusret III existed two-thousand years earlier. Cleopatra ruled almost two-thousand years after King Tut. look how long they held it down? Egypt’s (KMT) marital institution validates every marriage that has ever existed! And Storm & BP come along & phuq it up?

Isn’t Wakanda is sub-nation of KMT. Bast? 

Akhenaton married a (foreign/ Nubian) woman outside of his culture named Nefertiti. BP also married an outsider/ foreigner queen.

Point is- BP would’ve known better. before he married Ororo- he would've explained the legacy (royal couples). 

Shuri is there as Queen to pacify the tradition.
 
Marriage was the #1 most important celebrated ceremonial practice in traditional african culture (before colonization). Why? The entire ancient African history of social, political & economical power was linked to marriage.*Marriage represented the connection between the ancestors. It represented life itself. 

To have a King of a sovereign African nation “annul his marriage” would go against ten-thousand years (or more) of cultural tradition. Meaning- Tchallah would not have done that. 


It’s irresponsible writing, editing & fan-dom.


Name a leader of any nation that got divorced?  Winnie & Nelson Mandela does not count.

Fans- BP is African Royalty. Honor it & what that means.

We are dealing with a westernized, misogynic take on Wakanda.
To deem the marriage bad or rushed exposes the ugliest side of  fan-dom & cultural ignorance.



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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #91 on: April 30, 2014, 01:04:05 am »


 
I like the "glowing eyes"... that's traditional for Storm, Right? Ah, yes, Traditions.

 

this goes out to girls all around the world... Storm is black, now


"glowing eyes"...

I don’t think she’s ready for a solo book or a new relationship. I don’t think they have the creativity or understanding. Anyway, wait-a-minute? NOW SHE’S A BLACK WOMEN? Since when?

she needs to beg BP for his forgiveness for single-handily destroying African traditions. the birth-place of marriage.
Bp needs to realize he's been "white-washed"

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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2014, 01:06:20 am »
I think this book potentially could be pretty good AND successful. Storm is well known yet fresh and untapped  with a huge if casual fan base. I think Worlds Apart should have translated into a terrific  series...  but that didn't happen and so we move on. I became BP fan by way of her and if the book doesn't shade him I'm on board if the silliness continues well I'm not here for that.

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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2014, 01:26:02 am »
Post AvX, Storm has been cooling her jets in the X-books doing nothing other than being Wolverines convenient bed wench and acting like a bitter bitch blaming everyone else but herself for how things ended with T'Challa so please peddle your X-book worshipping BS elsewhere.

The worst thing is that in killing off a wonderful marriage, they also killed off an even more wonderful friendship between Wolverine and Storm. That deep, lasting friendship that they'd had for...what, 40 years?... was totally thrown to the wolves just to spite Black Panther fans.
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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #94 on: April 30, 2014, 01:44:56 am »
Post AvX, Storm has been cooling her jets in the X-books doing nothing other than being Wolverines convenient bed wench and acting like a bitter bitch blaming everyone else but herself for how things ended with T'Challa so please peddle your X-book worshipping BS elsewhere.

The worst thing is that in killing off a wonderful marriage, they also killed off an even more wonderful friendship between Wolverine and Storm. That deep, lasting friendship that they'd had for...what, 40 years?... was totally thrown to the wolves just to spite Black Panther fans.





You're absolutely right.

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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2014, 05:49:46 am »
Personally, the I feel right now with Storm getting her own title, I don't think she needs to be with anyone now. The marriage is over and now she needs time for herself. With her title, it promises to show Storm as the massive powerhouse that she is (promises the writer) and really playing a huge role in the MU causing a ruckus! Just the kind of thing I've always wanted to see. :)


You really have a lot of nerve posting this rubbish here.

Post AvX, Storm has been cooling her jets in the X-books doing nothing other than being Wolverines convenient bed wench and acting like a bitter bitch blaming everyone else but herself for how things ended with T'Challa so please peddle your X-book worshipping BS elsewhere.


I post what I want and say what I feel. I don't alter my views just to appease you. You've got some nerve to respond ignorantly like this to me. What worship am I doing for the X-Men titles? Anyone who has read my previous posts through this thread knows I'm not happy with the way the marriage was rushed or the way it ended. I am less happy with the Storm/Wolverine pairing that is mercifully about to end and I've only bought about 7 comics in the last 2-3 years because I'm tired of wallpaper Storm just sitting in the background in the X-titles doing nothing but hurling a lightning here or there when she can be so much more creative with her powers and display much higher power levels.

Storm getting her own ongoing title is a GOOD thing that I and a ton of other Storm fans have waited for a long time. Seems to me you might have a little bit of jealousy of the attention she is about to receive. Yes, what happened with the Storm/BP thing was not good, but this event coming up for Storm is a good thing and something that should be celebrated. Storm is the only Black character in comicbook history that has ever had the popularity to rival the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, Spiderman, Thor and Captain America. While she may not be that popular now because of bad writing, those elements that made her so successful are still there in the character. They just need to be once more brought to the forefront and developed.  Even till this day, she is really the only Black character that has the true potential to rival them in popularity again.  Her getting her chance at an ongoing is something to celebrate and support. You sound like sour grapes saying you won't support a "Storm" ongoing or even give it a chance because she and Black Panther broke up with each other.

That said, she just got out of a marriage. It would be inappropriate for her to just jump into another relationship. (I write off the Wolverine thing as her just rebounding and scraping the bottom of the barrel.) She needs to be single right now to put herself together emotionally and deal with any residual effects resulting from the ending of her marriage and thrust herself totally into the mission she is taking on for herself in her solo title.


First off, I really don't give a frak about your feelings on this subject because just going off of the posts you've dropped so far, it's quite obvious that you have that X-book Kool Aid running through your veins in place of actual blood.

The ignorance you accuse me of is fully evident in every post you've made so far and here's why....

Reginald Hudlin was commisioned to write a six issue mini-series with the central question posed being Who Is The Black Panther.

This mini was originally envisioned as an out of mainstream 616 continuity story and it was within this setup that Mr Hudlin introduced T'Challa's young sister Shuri, into the equation in much the same way as had been the case when Christopher J. Priest did when he introduced the White Wolf into the BP mythos when he was writing the Black Panther book.

Due to the high sales Hudlin's mini was generating, Marvel Editorial decided to turn the out of continuity mini series into a full blown ongoing monthly book fully incorporated into the mainstream 616 MU which made it possible for Mr Hudlin to build on something that had been established by Chris Claremont in the 1980's







and further touched upon by Christopher Priest in the late 1990's




Reginald Hudlin set himself to the task of revisiting Ororo's previous relationship with T'Challa in a manner that was gradual and quite organic for anyone familiar with what had gone before.....










Reginald Hudlin did all of the above in a manner that was inclusive of the X-books whilst do stuff that none of the X-writers bothered to do in all of the time they'd written Ororo pre-marriage. Namely write anything about her biological family in the USA.

Hudlin had both sides of Ororo's family reconciling at her wedding which was a really cool thing to do since the X-office had zero interest in exploring aspects of her biological family.



And Hudlin obviously had no problem writing T'Challa and Ororo as a loving couple prepared to take on the challenges of marriage as well as the threats of a world that feared the potential that their union had to be a real world changing factor.




But it was easier for so-called Storm fans to throw all of Reginald Hudlin's hard work under the proverbial bus because of EJD as if Hudlin had anything to do with EJD's story.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldn't have made a blind bit of a difference who wrote Ororo and T'Challa together as a rather voiciferous mob of haters had already set themselves on describing Mr Hudlin as being a "racist" for having the audacity to marry two of the 616's most prominent African characters, while you had some other idiots claiming that Ororo was being wallflowered in the Black Panther book she featured in with her husband.

Does this look like a character being wallflowered?






Reginald Hudlin wrote Storm as being a formidable woman embracing the full responsibilities inherent in being a recognized Head-Of-State with all the attendant political power that came along with her station and this represented genuine character growth for a character who had prior to that just been a member of an ensemble cast of characters.

This should have been Ororo's chance to breakout and become a genuinely larger than life character but the haters weren't trying to hear that.

Which is how we ended up here....






and here....



After all is said and done, the fact remains that there was ZERO wrong wit the work that Reginald Hudlin put in where the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo was concerned.

He was left to carry the lion's share of effort sustaining it within the Black Panther Solo book whilst the X-Office sat back and kept taking sly potshots at the union from their side of the fence with the disgusting rants of their rabid fanbase as a backing chorus, so anyone choosing to lay blame at anyones feet for how broken Ororo's character has been post AvX needs to look no further than the X-office and their band of racist and extremely misogynistic/sexist writers.






Oh and lest I forget, Queen Shuri is a character who's really written as knowing what her priorities are and doesn't derive any of her authority from being anyone's bedwench so it comes as no suprise to me that she'd get shade thrown at her by readers more accustomed to faux goddesses with delusions of grandeur.





By now, it should be pretty much obvious to anyone not wearing rose tinted glasses that the X-Office has a problem with Black characters specifically Black male characters .....



as clearly evidenced by the fact that there are virtually no Black male mutants of worth currently operating as X-Men that haven't been depowered, turned mad or killed off.....




and where female Black characters are concerned, there are virtually none who haven't been whitewashed or negro bedwenched as clearly evidenced by Monet, Idie Okonkwo and the Headmistress herself Ororo so while most of us recognize the blatantly racist aesthetic that runs through the X-books, you stay there rocking those rose tinted lenses and living comfortably in cloud cuckoo land.




Your whole freaking premise is a fail......


so miss me with your BS.
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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #97 on: April 30, 2014, 10:15:13 am »
>>>Genki Sudo

That's a funny clip.  That Jamaica poster in the background scene is quite popular in the 'hood. 20 something years ago, I remember my roommate posted this image on his wall and told me a little about how her life ended tragically while she was young. 

I have since looked at the poster very differently. :-\


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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2014, 04:36:33 pm »
Meanwhile IGN regards the John Stewart/Shayera Hol relationship as DCAU's Best Romance.
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« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2014, 08:24:42 pm »


First off, I really don't give a frak about your feelings on this subject because just going off of the posts you've dropped so far, it's quite obvious that you have that X-book Kool Aid running through your veins in place of actual blood.

The ignorance you accuse me of is fully evident in every post you've made so far and here's why....

Reginald Hudlin was commisioned to write a six issue mini-series with the central question posed being Who Is The Black Panther.

This mini was originally envisioned as an out of mainstream 616 continuity story and it was within this setup that Mr Hudlin introduced T'Challa's young sister Shuri, into the equation in much the same way as had been the case when Christopher J. Priest did when he introduced the White Wolf into the BP mythos when he was writing the Black Panther book.

Due to the high sales Hudlin's mini was generating, Marvel Editorial decided to turn the out of continuity mini series into a full blown ongoing monthly book fully incorporated into the mainstream 616 MU which made it possible for Mr Hudlin to build on something that had been established by Chris Claremont in the 1980's

http://i42.tinypic.com/2u974nb.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/32zm690.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2cd9jr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1ta0dz.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2aj5ll3.jpg

and further touched upon by Christopher Priest in the late 1990's

http://i48.tinypic.com/eeot4.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/10crn1z.jpg

Reginald Hudlin set himself to the task of revisiting Ororo's previous relationship with T'Challa in a manner that was gradual and quite organic for anyone familiar with what had gone before.....

http://i39.tinypic.com/e9tcg8.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/102m5h0.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2njahhe.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ezibv4.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/30b1yxv.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/10rl7b7.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/wlummb.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/293hjjb.jpg

Reginald Hudlin did all of the above in a manner that was inclusive of the X-books whilst do stuff that none of the X-writers bothered to do in all of the time they'd written Ororo pre-marriage. Namely write anything about her biological family in the USA.

Hudlin had both sides of Ororo's family reconciling at her wedding which was a really cool thing to do since the X-office had zero interest in exploring aspects of her biological family.

http://i40.tinypic.com/rauvqc.jpg

And Hudlin obviously had no problem writing T'Challa and Ororo as a loving couple prepared to take on the challenges of marriage as well as the threats of a world that feared the potential that their union had to be a real world changing factor.

http://i47.tinypic.com/10e54rb.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/jgt9g3.jpg

But it was easier for so-called Storm fans to throw all of Reginald Hudlin's hard work under the proverbial bus because of EJD as if Hudlin had anything to do with EJD's story.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldn't have made a blind bit of a difference who wrote Ororo and T'Challa together as a rather voiciferous mob of haters had already set themselves on describing Mr Hudlin as being a "racist" for having the audacity to marry two of the 616's most prominent African characters, while you had some other idiots claiming that Ororo was being wallflowered in the Black Panther book she featured in with her husband.

Does this look like a character being wallflowered?

http://i40.tinypic.com/4k9n3a.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/103eijl.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/200b75x.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/241p6y0.jpg

Reginald Hudlin wrote Storm as being a formidable woman embracing the full responsibilities inherent in being a recognized Head-Of-State with all the attendant political power that came along with her station and this represented genuine character growth for a character who had prior to that just been a member of an ensemble cast of characters.

This should have been Ororo's chance to breakout and become a genuinely larger than life character but the haters weren't trying to hear that.

Which is how we ended up here....

http://i61.tinypic.com/jqp6hu.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zdu8wk.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/op8y86.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/282o7n.jpg

and here....

http://i43.tinypic.com/wmhu88.jpg

After all is said and done, the fact remains that there was ZERO wrong wit the work that Reginald Hudlin put in where the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo was concerned.

He was left to carry the lion's share of effort sustaining it within the Black Panther Solo book whilst the X-Office sat back and kept taking sly potshots at the union from their side of the fence with the disgusting rants of their rabid fanbase as a backing chorus, so anyone choosing to lay blame at anyones feet for how broken Ororo's character has been post AvX needs to look no further than the X-office and their band of racist and extremely misogynistic/sexist writers.

http://i43.tinypic.com/ofic3.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2jflh54.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/2cyqm0w.jpg

Oh and lest I forget, Queen Shuri is a character who's really written as knowing what her priorities are and doesn't derive any of her authority from being anyone's bedwench so it comes as no suprise to me that she'd get shade thrown at her by readers more accustomed to faux goddesses with delusions of grandeur.

http://i43.tinypic.com/mmx45g.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/ern6oh.jpg


By now, it should be pretty much obvious to anyone not wearing rose tinted glasses that the X-Office has a problem with Black characters specifically Black male characters .....

http://i59.tinypic.com/mkye6o.jpg

as clearly evidenced by the fact that there are virtually no Black male mutants of worth currently operating as X-Men that haven't been depowered, turned mad or killed off.....

http://i43.tinypic.com/33dwd3a.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/14t0qy9.jpg

and where female Black characters are concerned, there are virtually none who haven't been whitewashed or negro bedwenched as clearly evidenced by Monet, Idie Okonkwo and the Headmistress herself Ororo so while most of us recognize the blatantly racist aesthetic that runs through the X-books, you stay there rocking those rose tinted lenses and living comfortably in cloud cuckoo land.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2aka5w0.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/fa65ck.jpg

Your whole freaking premise is a fail......


so miss me with your BS.



OK, Sal, this is where you drop the mic and walk off the stage like a boss.
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Re: IGN deems Panther/Storm Marriage bad
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2014, 09:20:16 am »
Meanwhile IGN regards the John Stewart/Shayera Hol relationship as DCAU's Best Romance.


First off, I really don't give a frak about your feelings on this subject because just going off of the posts you've dropped so far, it's quite obvious that you have that X-book Kool Aid running through your veins in place of actual blood.

The ignorance you accuse me of is fully evident in every post you've made so far and here's why....

Reginald Hudlin was commisioned to write a six issue mini-series with the central question posed being Who Is The Black Panther.

This mini was originally envisioned as an out of mainstream 616 continuity story and it was within this setup that Mr Hudlin introduced T'Challa's young sister Shuri, into the equation in much the same way as had been the case when Christopher J. Priest did when he introduced the White Wolf into the BP mythos when he was writing the Black Panther book.

Due to the high sales Hudlin's mini was generating, Marvel Editorial decided to turn the out of continuity mini series into a full blown ongoing monthly book fully incorporated into the mainstream 616 MU which made it possible for Mr Hudlin to build on something that had been established by Chris Claremont in the 1980's

http://i42.tinypic.com/2u974nb.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/32zm690.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2cd9jr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1ta0dz.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2aj5ll3.jpg

and further touched upon by Christopher Priest in the late 1990's

http://i48.tinypic.com/eeot4.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/10crn1z.jpg

Reginald Hudlin set himself to the task of revisiting Ororo's previous relationship with T'Challa in a manner that was gradual and quite organic for anyone familiar with what had gone before.....

http://i39.tinypic.com/e9tcg8.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/102m5h0.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2njahhe.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ezibv4.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/30b1yxv.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/10rl7b7.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/wlummb.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/293hjjb.jpg

Reginald Hudlin did all of the above in a manner that was inclusive of the X-books whilst do stuff that none of the X-writers bothered to do in all of the time they'd written Ororo pre-marriage. Namely write anything about her biological family in the USA.

Hudlin had both sides of Ororo's family reconciling at her wedding which was a really cool thing to do since the X-office had zero interest in exploring aspects of her biological family.

http://i40.tinypic.com/rauvqc.jpg

And Hudlin obviously had no problem writing T'Challa and Ororo as a loving couple prepared to take on the challenges of marriage as well as the threats of a world that feared the potential that their union had to be a real world changing factor.

http://i47.tinypic.com/10e54rb.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/jgt9g3.jpg

But it was easier for so-called Storm fans to throw all of Reginald Hudlin's hard work under the proverbial bus because of EJD as if Hudlin had anything to do with EJD's story.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldn't have made a blind bit of a difference who wrote Ororo and T'Challa together as a rather voiciferous mob of haters had already set themselves on describing Mr Hudlin as being a "racist" for having the audacity to marry two of the 616's most prominent African characters, while you had some other idiots claiming that Ororo was being wallflowered in the Black Panther book she featured in with her husband.

Does this look like a character being wallflowered?

http://i40.tinypic.com/4k9n3a.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/103eijl.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/200b75x.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/241p6y0.jpg

Reginald Hudlin wrote Storm as being a formidable woman embracing the full responsibilities inherent in being a recognized Head-Of-State with all the attendant political power that came along with her station and this represented genuine character growth for a character who had prior to that just been a member of an ensemble cast of characters.

This should have been Ororo's chance to breakout and become a genuinely larger than life character but the haters weren't trying to hear that.

Which is how we ended up here....

http://i61.tinypic.com/jqp6hu.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zdu8wk.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/op8y86.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/282o7n.jpg

and here....

http://i43.tinypic.com/wmhu88.jpg

After all is said and done, the fact remains that there was ZERO wrong wit the work that Reginald Hudlin put in where the marriage between T'Challa and Ororo was concerned.

He was left to carry the lion's share of effort sustaining it within the Black Panther Solo book whilst the X-Office sat back and kept taking sly potshots at the union from their side of the fence with the disgusting rants of their rabid fanbase as a backing chorus, so anyone choosing to lay blame at anyones feet for how broken Ororo's character has been post AvX needs to look no further than the X-office and their band of racist and extremely misogynistic/sexist writers.

http://i43.tinypic.com/ofic3.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2jflh54.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/2cyqm0w.jpg

Oh and lest I forget, Queen Shuri is a character who's really written as knowing what her priorities are and doesn't derive any of her authority from being anyone's bedwench so it comes as no suprise to me that she'd get shade thrown at her by readers more accustomed to faux goddesses with delusions of grandeur.

http://i43.tinypic.com/mmx45g.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/ern6oh.jpg


By now, it should be pretty much obvious to anyone not wearing rose tinted glasses that the X-Office has a problem with Black characters specifically Black male characters .....

http://i59.tinypic.com/mkye6o.jpg

as clearly evidenced by the fact that there are virtually no Black male mutants of worth currently operating as X-Men that haven't been depowered, turned mad or killed off.....

http://i43.tinypic.com/33dwd3a.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/14t0qy9.jpg

and where female Black characters are concerned, there are virtually none who haven't been whitewashed or negro bedwenched as clearly evidenced by Monet, Idie Okonkwo and the Headmistress herself Ororo so while most of us recognize the blatantly racist aesthetic that runs through the X-books, you stay there rocking those rose tinted lenses and living comfortably in cloud cuckoo land.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2aka5w0.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/fa65ck.jpg

Your whole freaking premise is a fail......


so miss me with your BS.



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