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Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About Circumcision Ritual

 

Despite the fact that at least 11 NYC boys have been infected with herpes from herpes-infested mohels who have insisted on performing the ancient circumcision ritual "metzitzah b’peh," ultra-Orthodox leaders are fighting the Health Department's “evil plans” to mandate parental-consent forms before performing the procedure. About 200 rabbis signed a proclamation claiming the city “printed and spread lies...in order to justify their evil decree. It is clear to us, that there is not even an iota of blame or danger in this ancient and holy custom,” the letter states. Except for those 11 boys with herpes. And the two who died from it.

"Metzitzah b’peh" is the practice of sucking the blood from a just snipped foreskin in traditional Jewish circumcisions. Most modern mohels use a sterile pipette to do so, but some Orthodox parents insist on the ancient tradition. The city will vote next week whether mohels will have to distribute consent waivers, detailing the herpes risk, before the ritual.

But even if it passes, many rabbis will not comply: “For the government to force a rabbi who’s practicing a religious act to tell his congregants it’s dangerous is totally unacceptable,” Rabbi David Niederman, executive director of the United Jewish Organization of Williamsburg, told The Post. “You’re forcing the mohel and the parent to sign a piece of paper that contradicts their religious convictions.”

“It warns parents that the city suggests a link between the practice and serious health worries, [and] it would undoubtedly have a chilling impact,” said Michael Tobman, a political consultant working with several large Hasidic communities. So in other words, the forms are bad because it could make parents stop and think for a moment about the decision whether to let a mohel such as Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer—who was given a court order to stop performing the practice after he was found to have infected at least three boys with herpes—put his mouth on their child's penis?


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Re: Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 11:29:59 PM »
i'm sure that it is a solemn, sober ceremony, but.. ah.. uhm.. gakk!!   :-X

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Re: Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 04:43:00 PM »
i'm sure that it is a solemn, sober ceremony,


I'm not.
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Re: Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 07:49:57 PM »
i'm sure that it is a solemn, sober ceremony,


I'm not.


michaelintp!  school us!  how does this practice square with "mainline" contemporary judaism, orthodox/reform/conservative, etc.?

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Re: Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2012, 11:12:32 PM »
Honestly, I've only seen it with the pipette, a glass tube that is used, and it is used briefly. I don't pretend to be a scholar with regard to what some very very "ultra" Orthodox communities do.  I will add, however, that I am sure there is nothing inappropriate in intent. As with the pipette, I'm sure it is only done for a moment (not "sucking" in the vulgar sense).

The rabbis have had practical experience in performing circumcisions for hundreds and hundreds of years, and I am sure that is how the procedural traditions developed. I'm no M.D., but I believe there is a healthful purpose. This was confirmed today in my conversation with a rabbi who is also a medical professional. He informed me that the practice described has existed for centuries, and that Maimonides (the great physician and philosopher) described the traditional practice. He explained that the sucking was to draw out the inner blood to fully cleanse the wound, which was then to be wrapped or have ointment applied. Medically this apparently makes sense, to reduce the risk of infection. Recall that prior to the advent of antibiotics, infection was the greatest risk to the health of the child. Also, in former times the risk of herpes was much less than it is today, as ironically the modern use of antibiotics has significantly increased the incidence of oral herpes.

In the mid-19th century objections to the oral practice were raised in Austro-Hungarian Empire, and today the prevalent practice is to use the pipette instead. Only a small minority of some groups in the Chassidic and Yeminite communities apparently still insist on the traditional sucking method.

Today it has become an issue of strong disagreement even in the Orthodox community, with some claiming that the mouth can be disinfected if the traditional method is demanded. Other Orthodox Rabbis strongly oppose the practice, asserting that the risks today cannot be fully eliminated in this way. The article is therefore misleading, and it seems intentionally so. This is troubling.

For those of you who have never seen a ritual circumcision of a infant, you would be shocked by how fast the procedure is, when performed by an experienced mohel. If you blink, you will almost miss it, and the bleeding is normal. In contrast, when my non-Orthodox brother-in-law, a neonatologist, performed the circumcision on his son in what he represented to be a contemporary medical manner, it took much longer and there was blood everywhere.