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BP710 Story Ideas     Deadlines for selection: November 22, 2017

Death Be Not Proud-The final days of T'Chaka the Black Panther
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Lost in Space-The search for the Vibranium asteroid field
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Doomwar-The Black Payback: T'Challa v Doom as it should've been
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Black on Black violence-The on panel fight between the Black Panther and Black Dwarf
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Where is the Love-The romance of T'Challa and Ororo
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Sweat of the Panther-Steampunk Wakanda
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Beware Of Geek's Reply #4210 on: October 22, 2017, 07:39:29 am
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Battle's Supreme nomination  Reply #4208 on: October 22, 2017, 04:59:32 am
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Kickin' it with Kip Lewis Reply #4238 on: October 25, 2017, 08:21:20 pm
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Other
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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« Reply #5325 on: May 07, 2022, 08:37:24 pm »
I've always thought the death of T'Chaka was unsophisticated. How he died in both comic and cinema showed a lack of understanding for who he was and should have been. Hudlin delivered the most logical and arguably the best rendition. Outside of him most writers chose to focus on T'Challa feeling inadequate with regards to his father instead of being inspired.

T'Chaka's murder would have been a true defining moment in T'Challa's young life. For example T'Chaka was killed in his Black Panther habit.





It would be satisfying to see how that motivated T'Challa to make the habit more conducive to combat and protection.









There have been no technical manuals written about T'Challa's scientific and technological achievements. Shuri got the Wakanda files, The Dora Milaje got a training manual, there is even a Wakandan cook book but nothing on or about T'Challa. I wonder why over all these decades, with all his accomplishments, there continues to be a consistent stratagem to focus everywhere but on T'Challa.






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It starts with this exchange between T'Challa and Killmonger, in front of the Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima [ KMH ]..."Royal Heroes/Warriors/Heroic Warriors of Honor" ]:

“Then you come about your blinding arrogance honestly, TChalla…likely the only honest thing you have done. For you inherited your cowardice and arrogance from your father, as Klaw slew him for failing to grasp the threat that Klaw himself represented!”

“Wrong again, Njadaka. Klaw didn’t murder my father.”

“WHAT!” Not only Njadaka but the entire KMH shouted in thunderstruck shock.


There is no way. Zero. That Klaue or any of those fools would have been able to murder T'Chaka. I absolutely do agree that Hudlin by far. FAR. Crafted the much more reasonable, sensible story regarding the murder of T'Chaka, and it's the acceptance of his version BP that has allowed me to have the "fictional credibility" to build upon his framework of Invincible Wakanda and rework the very notion that Klaw is even remotely capable of killing T'Chaka.


To add further insult to injury...

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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« Reply #5326 on: May 07, 2022, 10:00:19 pm »
I've always thought the death of T'Chaka was unsophisticated. How he died in both comic and cinema showed a lack of understanding for who he was and should have been. Hudlin delivered the most logical and arguably the best rendition. Outside of him most writers chose to focus on T'Challa feeling inadequate with regards to his father instead of being inspired.

T'Chaka's murder would have been a true defining moment in T'Challa's young life. For example T'Chaka was killed in his Black Panther habit.





It would be satisfying to see how that motivated T'Challa to make the habit more conducive to combat and protection.









There have been no technical manuals written about T'Challa's scientific and technological achievements. Shuri got the Wakanda files, The Dora Milaje got a training manual, there is even a Wakandan cook book but nothing on or about T'Challa. I wonder why over all these decades, with all his accomplishments, there continues to be a consistent stratagem to focus everywhere but on T'Challa.






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To the surprise of very few who know us from HEF, I agree with you so completely, Brother Ture, that the murder of T'Chaka is actually the most central plot and main thread in my fanfic DAMISA SARKA KUELEZA: BLACK PANTHER EXPLANATIONS

It starts with this exchange between T'Challa and Killmonger, in front of the Kifalme Mashujaa ya Heshima [ KMH ]..."Royal Heroes/Warriors/Heroic Warriors of Honor" ]:

“Then you come about your blinding arrogance honestly, TChalla…likely the only honest thing you have done. For you inherited your cowardice and arrogance from your father, as Klaw slew him for failing to grasp the threat that Klaw himself represented!”

“Wrong again, Njadaka. Klaw didn’t murder my father.”

“WHAT!” Not only Njadaka but the entire KMH shouted in thunderstruck shock.


There is no way. Zero. That Klaue or any of those fools would have been able to murder T'Chaka. I absolutely do agree that Hudlin by far. FAR. Crafted the much more reasonable, sensible story regarding the murder of T'Chaka, and it's the acceptance of his version BP that has allowed me to have the "fictional credibility" to build upon his framework of Invincible Wakanda and rework the very notion that Klaw is even remotely capable of killing T'Chaka.


To add further insult to injury...






They doin all that as if they don't know that R to the H already showed T'Challa as a early 20-something with the COUNCIL OF WAKANDA still hunting after T'Chaka's killer. That very scene right there? Where Wakanda failed for YEARS to find T'Chaka's killer? Is what convinced me that zero of the perpetrators credited with killing T'Chaka actually did so. Because none of them could truly hide themselves from T'Challa alone, much less all of Wakanda.
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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« Reply #5327 on: May 10, 2022, 06:16:53 pm »
See Super Heroes in a New Light by Dissecting Their Physiology with 'Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman'
Discover the secrets behind the powers of Marvel’s greatest characters through stunning anatomical cutaway illustrations and in-depth commentary from the Black Panther and Shuri!
BY CHRISTINE DINH

How does the country of Wakanda remain unconquerable, and how does the most brilliant minds of King T'Challa aka Black Panther and Shuri improve the future for all Wakandans? Through meticulous documentation and research, of course.

This fall, further expand your mind on what you think you know of Marvel Super Heroes and Super Villains with Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman, as collected by Black Panther and Shuri themselves.

Released by Insight Editions, Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman, a deluxe book showcasing a visually stunning journey into the powers of the Marvel Universe's greatest characters, arrives everywhere books are sold on September 27, 2022. Pre-order the book now!



When Skrull forces use their shape-shifting powers to infiltrate Earth’s defenses, King T’Challa must delve into Wakanda’s scientific archives to determine which Super Heroes and Super Villains might be most at risk. With assistance from his brilliant sister, Shuri, the Black Panther explores the unique anatomical makeup of a vast range of super-powered individuals, unlocking the secrets behind their abilities.

Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman features exquisitely-detailed anatomic cutaway illustrations created by concept artist Jonah Lobe (Skyrim, Fallout) and writing by Marc Sumerak (MARVEL Future Revolution) and Daniel Wallace (The Jedi Path), exploring the secrets of super-powered heroes, as well as mutants, extra-terrestrial lifeforms, and technically enhanced individuals.

This collection boasts 100+ unique illustrations — beautifully illustrated cross sections combined with fascinating insights capture each Super Hero’s and Super Villain’s unique set of powers — revealing the anatomy of 60+ fan-favorite Marvel characters, including Spider-Man, Hulk, Thanos, Mystique, Thing, Squirrel Girl, Venom, and Groot.

Thanks to our friends over at Insight Editions, we get a glimpse of what Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman offers below!


https://www.marvel.com/articles/culture-lifestyle/dissecting-marvel-anatomy-scientific-study-of-superhuman


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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA...
« Reply #5328 on: May 10, 2022, 06:44:19 pm »
Marvel Anatomy: A Scientific Study of the Superhuman should have had T'Challa the Black Panther and Shuri on the cover along with some Wakandan glyphs.



I appreciate it being said "in-depth commentary from the Black Panther and Shuri!" This clearly defines who is not the Black Panther.

This was good also - "How does the country of Wakanda remain unconquerable, and how does the most brilliant minds of King T'Challa aka Black Panther and Shuri improve the future for all Wakandans? Through meticulous documentation and research, of course." Here they even word it T'Challa aka Black Panther although Shuri gets the distinction of being called brilliant.

This work proceeds from a very logical premise concerning how T'Challa would stay 3 steps ahead of the rest of the world. I just commented on such a few days ago.

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There have been no technical manuals written about T'Challa's scientific and technological achievements. Shuri got the Wakanda files, The Dora Milaje got a training manual, there is even a Wakandan cook book but nothing on or about T'Challa. I wonder why over all these decades, with all his accomplishments, there continues to be a consistent stratagem to focus everywhere but on T'Challa.
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I hope this reads like a Black Panther who is a polymath with genius level tactical and strategic insight wrote it.




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Captain America's Newest Villain Is Corrupting Black Panther's MCU Catchphrase
By TIMOTHY ADAMS

Black Panther's catchphrase from the Marvel Cinematic Universe is being corrupted by a returning Marvel villain. Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 features Sam Wilson's first solo series as Cap since he starred in 2015's Captain America: Sam Wilson. Sam and Steve Rogers are sharing the Captain America mantle, with Steve's Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty debuting in June. While Sam is on the hunt for a train transporting super-soldier serum, a villain with ties to Black Panther appears to be stepping up to be Symbol of Truth's main villain.

WARNING: Spoilers for Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 are below. Continue at your own risk!

In an earlier flashback scene in Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 from Tochi Onyebuchi, R.B. Silva, VC's Joe Caramagna, and Jesus Aburtov took readers to Harlem, where Sam Wilson and Misty Knight were having a diner date. Misty was a supporting character in Captain America: Sam Wilson, and a short-lived romance blossomed between the two characters. After debating who has the best fried chicken, they go on a walk to wear off some of the food they just ate. During their walk, they come across a gathering of "Wakanda Forever" protestors, who are calling out America for its treatment of Black people. Sam takes it as a sign that he isn't doing his job as Captain America. One of the members of the movement even has a "Wakanda Forever" sign with them.



Of course, "Wakanda Forever" is the chant that the late Chadwick Boseman made famous in 2018's Black Panther movie. The catchphrase became a rallying cry for fans around the world, who would greet the Black Panther actors with the saying during all of their promotional appearances for the Marvel film. Along with saying "Wakanda Forever," characters would put their arms across their chests in the form of an "X." Also, the sequel to 2018's Black Panther is titled Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The "Wakanda Forever" movement appears on the surface to be harmless; however, the person who may be secretly manipulating events from the shadows makes their presence known near the end of Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 when they free Crossbones from jail.

White Wolf, who readers saw in Captain America #0, has plans to free and recruit Crossbones to help him kill Captain America, and also overthrow some counties. White Wolf is the adopted brother of T'Challa, with King T'Chaka taking him in as a child when his parents died in a plane crash. Hunter would go on to lead Wakanda's secret police force, the Hatut Zeraze, before eventually adopting the codename of White Wolf.



It's very likely that White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement, helping to grow tensions between America and Wakanda. If the two countries are in conflict with each other, it makes White Wolf's job easier to overthrow each government. Of course, Captain America and Black Panther would be his two biggest obstacles in completing his evil plan, which is why Crossbones is being brought in to take care of Cap.

Do you think White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement in Captain America: Symbol of Truth? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/captain-america-white-wolf-black-panther-mcu-catchphrase/


Here they go with that Wakandan "blacks" vs American "blacks" nonsense. Even after the Black Panther solo film bought together Afrakans males and females, Afrakans from the continent and throughout diaspora together in appreciation of a Afrakan (so called black) male superhero, his family and Afrakan nation. They got Snap Wilson (a derogatory reference given to the former pimp turned America's second favorite son) speaking somewhat divisively about Wakanda.

The House of Ideas is truly no more.

To add further insult to injury Sam Cap borrows one of the Black Panther's original villains to be one of his antagonist. The White Wolf should be about to be revealed in Ridley's Black Panther comic book as the mastermind behind the attack on T'Challa and his network of spies not some guest villain in a Cap spinoff. If that weren't enough, they're using "Wakanda Forever" as a slogan out of context. Way to show T'Challa the Black Panther and the actor who portrayed him and made those words famous around the world their proper respect.





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Captain America's Newest Villain Is Corrupting Black Panther's MCU Catchphrase
By TIMOTHY ADAMS

Black Panther's catchphrase from the Marvel Cinematic Universe is being corrupted by a returning Marvel villain. Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 features Sam Wilson's first solo series as Cap since he starred in 2015's Captain America: Sam Wilson. Sam and Steve Rogers are sharing the Captain America mantle, with Steve's Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty debuting in June. While Sam is on the hunt for a train transporting super-soldier serum, a villain with ties to Black Panther appears to be stepping up to be Symbol of Truth's main villain.

WARNING: Spoilers for Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 are below. Continue at your own risk!

In an earlier flashback scene in Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 from Tochi Onyebuchi, R.B. Silva, VC's Joe Caramagna, and Jesus Aburtov took readers to Harlem, where Sam Wilson and Misty Knight were having a diner date. Misty was a supporting character in Captain America: Sam Wilson, and a short-lived romance blossomed between the two characters. After debating who has the best fried chicken, they go on a walk to wear off some of the food they just ate. During their walk, they come across a gathering of "Wakanda Forever" protestors, who are calling out America for its treatment of Black people. Sam takes it as a sign that he isn't doing his job as Captain America. One of the members of the movement even has a "Wakanda Forever" sign with them.



Of course, "Wakanda Forever" is the chant that the late Chadwick Boseman made famous in 2018's Black Panther movie. The catchphrase became a rallying cry for fans around the world, who would greet the Black Panther actors with the saying during all of their promotional appearances for the Marvel film. Along with saying "Wakanda Forever," characters would put their arms across their chests in the form of an "X." Also, the sequel to 2018's Black Panther is titled Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The "Wakanda Forever" movement appears on the surface to be harmless; however, the person who may be secretly manipulating events from the shadows makes their presence known near the end of Captain America: Symbol of Truth #1 when they free Crossbones from jail.

White Wolf, who readers saw in Captain America #0, has plans to free and recruit Crossbones to help him kill Captain America, and also overthrow some counties. White Wolf is the adopted brother of T'Challa, with King T'Chaka taking him in as a child when his parents died in a plane crash. Hunter would go on to lead Wakanda's secret police force, the Hatut Zeraze, before eventually adopting the codename of White Wolf.



It's very likely that White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement, helping to grow tensions between America and Wakanda. If the two countries are in conflict with each other, it makes White Wolf's job easier to overthrow each government. Of course, Captain America and Black Panther would be his two biggest obstacles in completing his evil plan, which is why Crossbones is being brought in to take care of Cap.

Do you think White Wolf is behind the "Wakanda Forever" movement in Captain America: Symbol of Truth? Let us know your thoughts in the comments!

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/captain-america-white-wolf-black-panther-mcu-catchphrase/


Here they go with that Wakandan "blacks" vs American "blacks" nonsense. Even after the Black Panther solo film bought together Afrakans males and females, Afrakans from the continent and throughout diaspora together in appreciation of a Afrakan (so called black) male superhero, his family and Afrakan nation. They got Snap Wilson (a derogatory reference given to the former pimp turned America's second favorite son) speaking somewhat divisively about Wakanda.

The House of Ideas is truly no more.

To add further insult to injury Sam Cap borrows one of the Black Panther's original villains to be one of his antagonist. The White Wolf should be about to be revealed in Ridley's Black Panther comic book as the mastermind behind the attack on T'Challa and his network of spies not some guest villain in a Cap spinoff. If that weren't enough, they're using "Wakanda Forever" as a slogan out of context. Way to show T'Challa the Black Panther and the actor who portrayed him and made those words famous around the world their proper respect.


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I thought it was a good issue. I didn't see any American vs African blacks. All Sam said was Wakanda isn't perfect, but if comparing social issues and as long as Coates is ignored, it is a social paradise. But even a black American would face some xenophobia in the beginning and live through an invasion or two.

I do think Sam taking on the responsibility of alleviating black social conditions himself is crazy.

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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA - Vibranium Man is here!
« Reply #5332 on: May 27, 2022, 05:29:48 am »
Marvel Preview: Avengers Forever #6
INTRODUCING THE INVINCIBLE VIBRANIUM MAN!
By AIPT May 26, 2022

INTRODUCING THE INVINCIBLE VIBRANIUM MAN! On an alternate Earth where Wakanda has been crushed from existence and where the Black Panther is a forgotten legend, one man known as T’Challa will forge a new legacy for himself and perhaps even hope for a planet caught in the grips of the god-slaughtering King Killmonger.

Written by: Jason Aaron
Art by: Jim Towe, Guru-eFX
Cover by: Aaron Kuder
Page Count: 28 Pages
Release Date: June 1, 2022















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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA - Vibranium Man is here!
« Reply #5333 on: May 28, 2022, 05:23:58 pm »
Marvel Preview: Avengers Forever #6
INTRODUCING THE INVINCIBLE VIBRANIUM MAN!
By AIPT May 26, 2022

INTRODUCING THE INVINCIBLE VIBRANIUM MAN! On an alternate Earth where Wakanda has been crushed from existence and where the Black Panther is a forgotten legend, one man known as T’Challa will forge a new legacy for himself and perhaps even hope for a planet caught in the grips of the god-slaughtering King Killmonger.

Written by: Jason Aaron
Art by: Jim Towe, Guru-eFX
Cover by: Aaron Kuder
Page Count: 28 Pages
Release Date: June 1, 2022















https://aiptcomics.com/2022/05/26/marvel-preview-avengers-forever-6/

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Honestly? This is just an Alt universe story so whatever, and it's better than the dreck that's coming out for the Solo. It ain't 616 (which desperately needs Redjack, Ewing or JA on the solo) so I will take it for what it is

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These are some scans of that sample 6 page comic sketch that Jonathan Marks submitted to Marvel, at the end of 2013.









Marks has a good eye for Tchalla and M'Baku. I really like the proportions and size difference. I always felt that the Black Panther movies should have plenty of fantasy elements. M'Baku and the Jabari should be much bigger than the average Wakandan or human being. 

Booshman of CBR is to be credited for finding these beautifully rendered pictures.



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I thought it was a good issue. I didn't see any American vs African blacks. All Sam said was Wakanda isn't perfect, but if comparing social issues and as long as Coates is ignored, it is a social paradise. But even a black American would face some xenophobia in the beginning and live through an invasion or two.

I do think Sam taking on the responsibility of alleviating black social conditions himself is crazy.

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This is very much denigrating to Wakanda, Black Panther and what T’Challa had worked to build in the MCU and in print pre-Coates. That is not to say it wouldn’t happen this way or is unrealistic. But why not use the medium and artistic license to inspire, uplift in a way that doesn’t fall back on the predictable? You might surmise that is the intention, where they are going, but we have been continually let down so it is hard to see anything more than the continued deconstruction the CJP predicted for T’Challa and Wakanda more than two decades ago.

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I dig the Johnathan Marks art, it's different with good amount of style.
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Re: BP710: THE PROTOCOLS - REQUIEM IMMATURA - Another iteration of M'Baku...
« Reply #5338 on: June 01, 2022, 08:04:01 am »
These are some scans of that sample 6 page comic sketch that Jonathan Marks submitted to Marvel, at the end of 2013.









Marks has a good eye for Tchalla and M'Baku. I really like the proportions and size difference. I always felt that the Black Panther movies should have plenty of fantasy elements. M'Baku and the Jabari should be much bigger than the average Wakandan or human being. 

Booshman of CBR is to be credited for finding these beautifully rendered pictures.



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WOW. WOW WOW. That is fantastic art. Why is it that one can encapsulate T'Challa in just a few panels without any dialogue while the current writers allowed on the book as of late (save Redjacks work) utterly fails to showcase WHO T'Challa is?

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« Reply #5339 on: June 01, 2022, 09:42:05 am »
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I dig the Johnathan Marks art, it's different with good amount of style.

Coming from a dedicated visual artist like yourself, Gessela, this is high praise. I really appreciate Jonathan Marks' attention to scale and distinctiveness. Notice the panther statues include among them human statues of former or maybe the current Black Panther. T'Challa waving off his warriors, the pulling down of the cowl, the leap into combat that topples his larger opponent. Imagine this scene in live action. They'll need a bigger Warrior Falls.

Man... I like to see this in a Black Panther ongoing.
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