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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2013, 06:42:30 pm »
Superman took a life?????


YEP, they had me at HELLO! ;)


Man of Steel delivers as if Nolan was the real director pulling all the strings that needed to be pulled!


I say bring in Doomsday next and kill Superman off in his own movie and give the Justice League a legitimate reason to form a team in Clarks' absence... And we all know nobody ever stays dead so bring him back as one of the cornerstones of the team!


And airdrop a load of cash on Christian Bale's front lawn to get Batman back in the mix... Show him the Downey Jr. % points and entice him back into the cowl I aint trying to see him in low budget B-movies trying to get his deep down melodramatic Academy Award acting on again in some drama I could care less about and won't see even when it comes on cable!


Wonder Woman should be on deck next so cast well and go all in to keep the momentum flowing!





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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2013, 02:11:19 am »
I wouldn't mind seeing Lex in the next film. Eventually people are going to ask what where he is. He doesn't have to be the main villain but a guy behind the scenes who lets others do his dirty work. I would prefer that to a Lex that is front and center. Though now with the gloves being off regarding action, Lex in his battle suit isn't an improbable idea. It might work like Jeff Bridges as Iron Monger.

Others I would like to see: Brainiac (come on already), Metallo, Darkseid (preferably for the Justice League film), Doomsday, and Parasite for the big fight villains. I wouldn't mind seeing Manchester Black, Intergang, and Bloodsport for villains that Superman has to stop without resorting to just punching.

Saw it on Friday.

This movie gives Luthor  a great rationale for him hating Superman's guts.

The Supes v. Zod fight alone must have trashed the city and killed hundreds if not thousands of bystanders by itself, forget about the rest of the invasion. The scene where Supes kisses Lois with an utterly destroyed city in the background took me out of the film , I admit.

I kept expecting to see a Daily Planet headline: Superman Saves World! Thousands Die Horribly in Alien Invasion!

A Luthor with the same alien hating/mistrusting motivations that he had in the 90's comics and the Smallville
TV series would make hell of a lot of sense in this context.

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 10:51:27 am »
Just say "NO" to Lex Luthor and give us Doomsday: The Death of Superman which fits nicely with the apparent death of Batman at the end of The Dark Knight Rises and gives them both reasons to resurface back from the dead in The Justice League movie!


Lex Luthor pulls the franchise back into the Christopher Reeve era again and will suck the momentum out of what has just transpired at the box office!


Superman is whipping @$$ and taking names now so there is no need for more green rocks and menacing stare downs with another human that has been done to death in every comic, cartoon, video game or movie featuring Supes!


The next phase should follow the Star Wars Empire Strikes Back style and get a bit darker with a villain (Doomsday) that more than matches Supes in strength!


With Lex, Bizarro and some of these other characters it will drag the series back to what Hollywood does best and ruin the franchise as they try to appease diehard fans with more of the same campy things that kill the buzz... Move forward not backward!

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2013, 11:16:23 am »
A Supes/Doomsday beat em up would be a lot like the Supes/Zod beat em up.

Except with less dialogue since Doomsday can't talk.

BTW, the movies have never used Bizarro or Mr Myxptlik. Not once.

You are thinking of the TV series.

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2013, 01:14:56 pm »
Supes and Zod were an even match back and forth... Doomsday would be a tragic stomping that would call the Justice League into immediate action!


Imagine Doomsday dragging Superman through the streets of Metropolis, ripping his cape and battering him to death unmercifully!


Bizarro and Myxptlik are excellent characters for Hollywood to fall back into that old school campy crap that kills super hero movies real fast!


With all the cgi tech used in Man of Steel the page has been turned just as surely as Nolan kept away from all the characters that made Batman sink during the Bat Nipples era!


Clearly this Man of Steel left the past Superman Returns behind via that overemphasized kiss with Lois to get away from the Singer style that left a question mark on Supes choice of sexual orientation... Uhm OUCH!


They made Superman "Man Up" by taking very "Manly" jobs (Deep sea fisherman anyone) just like Batman Begins and should proceed forward from this point with the biggest selling story in comic book history... DOOMSDAY!


If Superman becomes a martyr in his own movie this franchise officially becomes worthy of the other classic sequels... What was more iconic than Batman running from the law at the end of The Dark Knight?


The Green Lantern shows you how badly of a runaway train a movie can become just by how far the choices of heroes and villains can sink a franchise!


Keep those silly characters in the comics and cartoons where they belong and bring on more dark characters to up the stakes and then DC will be as competitive or better than Marvel in super hero cinema!


Amy Adams can't wait to get her acting chops on as the news reporter covering this disaster from the mayhem to the eulogy at Supes funeral... Diane Lane also has some acting sway as her adopted son gets trashed on cellphone downloaded youtube film footage!


Come on Nolan... Pull them emotional strings and set this off righteously!




(Several persons of super heroic stature gather at night around the hidden gravesite of the man known as Superman...)


Christian Bale: "I called you all here because we need to fill in for the loss of Superman!"

Henry Cavill: "You can count me in too!"

Christian Bale: "I thought you were dead!"

Henry Cavill: "Thought you were too!"

Wonder Woman: "You two get a room already!"

Flash: "Capes are soooooo last year!"

Ryan Reynolds: "Yeah, you think!"

Aquaman: "Let's get on with it surface dwellers!"

Martian Manhunter: "Indeed!"



(Insert NERDGASM right here and then throw your Avengers DVD in the lake!)






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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 03:52:11 pm »
It's too soon to kill him off. He just became Superman. Save it for part 3, then lead into Justice League.
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 04:21:37 pm »
I meant killing him off in the movie with the intent of bringing him right back from the dead... Modern medicine was not sure when he fell out of the sky after launching the kryptonite island into space if he would live or die in Superman Returns!


Most doctors could assume and pronounce him to be dead not understanding the true source of his powers!


A little earthly sun on his grave puts him back into play instantly for more movie money...


OR...


They could have Batman revive him as a return favor for rescuing him from that nuke blast at the end of The Dark Knight Rises... Just putting that out there as a possible tie in! ;)


Superman is worth $$$$$ at the box office now so his death would be a pseudo death meant to inspire the Justice League to action!

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2013, 05:27:53 pm »
They are talking about prepping a movie to have in theaters next year.  They need a physically dynamic villain, but most (Mongul, Doomsday) feel like a retread of Zod one way or another.  Especially if they are going to go for Darkseid in JL....which is gonna feel like a retread of Avengers 2 with Thanos. 



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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2013, 05:30:02 pm »
They are talking about prepping a movie to have in theaters next year.  They need a physically dynamic villain, but most (Mongul, Doomsday) feel like a retread of Zod one way or another.  Especially if they are going to go for Darkseid in JL....which is gonna feel like a retread of Avengers 2 with Thanos.

This is where a team of villains make it more interesting.


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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2013, 05:39:31 pm »
have there been any "definitive" Vandal Savage stories in the comics?

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2013, 08:15:19 pm »
Reggie whachoo talkin' bout? :)


Doomsday is nothing like Zod he is a force of nature with no motive but to kill and destroy!


All those other characters will have some manner of acting applied to them with some actor trying to outdo the villain tree of Nicholson, Ledger and some pseudo Darth Vader wanna be!


And I like all the damage done to the city... It reminds me of McDuffie's Justice League where everything got destroyed like a Godzilla going out of business sale!


There are still some buildings left standing in Metropolis so send in Doomsday to knock those down as well!


Superman is all about the heavy hitting so no need to stop now keep it coming!


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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2013, 10:55:04 pm »
Supes has maybe 6 "good" villians and 8 of those are stupid for the silver screen.   ;)


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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2013, 10:55:34 pm »
DOOMSDAY is an alien invader with a lot less personality than Zod.  He doesn't have as much personality as the Hulk. 

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2013, 11:07:55 pm »

 
David Goyer Man Of Steel Interview – What Nolan Did, What Marvel Do And Where It All Came From
Posted on June 16, 2013 by Brendon Connelly
 
I’ve teased you enough. After those other juicy pieces about deleted scenes, Justice League and the next Superman movie, here’s everything else David Goyer had to tell me about Man of Steel, in his own words.

I never set out to do a Superman film. Chris Nolan and I were working on the story for The Dark Knight Rises and we reached a point where we had writer’s block and I just started re-reading some original Action Comics.

I remembered seeing the old Donner films and the Marlon Brandon Jor-El and he’s talking to his wife about “There’s this other planet we can send him to” and I remember thinking “It’s weird to me that he knows about this planet.” It seemed to me that maybe Kryptonians had been to Earth before, that they’d sent some unmanned probes or something like that. I had this image in my head of Clark, as an adult, in the North, finding this Kryptonian spaceship that had been buried in the ice for tens of thousands of years.

I’m a terrible artist but I just sketched out the Kryptonian symbol but painted on a cave as though cave men had seen it. This got me looking at the Superman myth in a different way, and was the thread I started pulling.

One of the things we learned with Batman is that when you take such an iconic figure, it’s important to respect the canon, but if a character is going to remain vital you have to kill some sacred cows. You have to question things. And one of the things that Chris and I had done within the “realistic” take on Batman, we weren’t going to do anything simply because that’s the way it’s done in the comics. We had to come up with our own internal logic.

I adore the Donner films but I felt that Superman, at least cinematically, had been preserved in amber for thirty five years. He never really evolved beyond the Donner films, and the Singer film, by his own intention, was an homage, sort of a direct sequel.

I also thought that he had been stuck in this Norman Rockwell, big blue boy scout, spit-curl era. A lot of people were questioning if Superman was still relevant, whether or not he could be meaningful. It’s been interesting to see the public’s reaction over the last year ago, and just the fact that people are talking about Man of Steel as much as they are now, it makes me feel like we’ve done our job right. If he can go toe to toe with some of the Marvel films then I think we’ll have done the character justice.

The basic idea of rebooting Superman as a largely science fiction film and a first contact story was what I initially came up with. That Superman would be wandering the Earth not fully-formed with the Phantom Zone villains being sent into a black hole. Those basic ideas were something that I brought to Chris. I think I’d written two or three pages. And even when I mentioned it to Chris I wasn’t fully thinking we would just go and make this movie, I was just wasting time, as you do, saying, “What if?” but [Nolan] said, “I would produce this film. Let’s see if we can set it up. I’ll be a producer or I’ll share story credit with you if you want.” And I’m not an idiot, so I said, “Yeah, share story credit with me.”

Then we did what we did on the Batman films. We met four or five times and we sort of broke the story on cards, and expanded it. Then, from that point onwards I wrote all the scripts. It’s hard to say what part was Chris because we just sat in a room and threw out ideas. It was just a fluid process. But from the script stage on it was all me, with Chris giving notes. I did two drafts and that’s when Zack came on board.

One of the things we were hoping to depict is that Superman is not a god. We say he’s a god-like figure but he’s not omnipotent. Even in the comic books he cannot save everyone. I think people die [in Metropolis]. Clearly hundreds if not thousands of people have died while the gravity machines are going off. There were probably even people who died in Smallville.

When you’re dealing with a threat like this, there will be collateral damage. This is something that hadn’t been depicted in comic book films is what it would be like if these powerful figures did clash, if The Hulk and Thor fought, people would probably die. Particularly in this case where Zod and the Kryptonians really don’t care if people die. I think people died and I’m sure that upsets some people.

We knew that people would be upset by some of the choices we make. We got some grief when we did Batman Begins. Now people think what we did was great but when Batman Begins first came out, people were upset by some of the choices we made.

Some people have said a hero is only as good as a villain and I would extend that corollary to say a hero is only as good as his love interest. One of the things we were attempting with this was to depict a “realistic” Superman, do what we did in the Batman films which was to ask “What if they existed in our world?”

One of the conventions we had to get rid of, and it just seemed stupid, is that Lois couldn’t figure out [that Kal and Clark are] the same guy. Especially because she had met him before he was Superman. Clearly she’d be able to figure out his secret.

Initially, when we turned the script in to Warner Bros., they challenged that and I think this was just because it’s the way it had always been done. But one of the things you have to do is question some of the canon. DC Comics, DC Entertainment as they are now, were okay with it. They accepted it more easily than Warner Bros. did initially.

I love the Marvel films and they definitely have a certain tonality and continuity but the way Chris, Zack and I have evolved our take… now, the DC characters are older than the Marvel characters and ironically, the Marvel characters were created in the 60s and originally they were meant to be more realistic, and more relatable. The thing that Stan Lee and [Jack] Kirby and [Steve] Ditko did, all these characters were people that you could identify with, that had human problems.

Now, with the Batman films and the Superman films, the DC films that are being made, seem to exist in a more realistic world than the Marvel films. They’ve flipped. Moving forward, if Zack and I are to do any more films, we’ll probably continue in this manner, it’s just the way we work. And I try to make my dialogue as naturalistic as you can make an alien from another world. This seems to have been successful with Batman, and it’s a higher hurdle to jump over with Superman but I think we’ve been fairly successful in what we did.

If we can get a mainstream audience to accept this version of Superman, we will have set the tone for a shared world moving forward, a DC world that is slightly more grounded than the Donner versions or the Tim Burton Batman.

Thanks once again to David Goyer for so much of his time. Man of Steel is in cinemas now.

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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2013, 12:55:33 am »
They are talking about prepping a movie to have in theaters next year.  They need a physically dynamic villain, but most (Mongul, Doomsday) feel like a retread of Zod one way or another.  Especially if they are going to go for Darkseid in JL....which is gonna feel like a retread of Avengers 2 with Thanos.

Next year?

That seems logistically...unfeasible.

Although its not like Cavil has all that much on his plate ( or Amy Adams for that matter).

So much for hoping the script for 2 would be better than one. It may in all likelihood be far worse.