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ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:58:56 pm »
Many preposterous mortals are voting against The Spider.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/17-fighters-that-are-picking-chris-weidman-to-upset-anderson-silva-at-ufc-162

Yeah, right.

Anderson by omgwthbeatdown or dominating decision.

This is Chris Weidman's open workout

UFC 162: Chris Weidman's Complete Open Workout (unedited)




This is Anderson's open workout for UFC 162:

UFC 162: Anderson Silva's Complete Open Workout with Feijao, Erick Silva + Andre Galvao


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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2013, 09:36:35 pm »
Oh, Anderson.



You got knocked the f*ck out
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2013, 12:04:55 am »
2013: THE YEAR OF HUBRIS!

First, Ubereem gets knocked out pulling an Anderson Silva. Now Anderson Silva gets knocked out pulling an Anderson Silva.

I love the derision being thrown Silvas way now. When Silva annihilates Weidman in the rematch I hope those same people don't jump off the bandwagon.

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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2013, 12:23:29 am »
Nope. This was a fix. Not the Year of Hubris.
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 12:49:28 am »
2013: THE YEAR OF HUBRIS!

First, Ubereem gets knocked out pulling an Anderson Silva. Now Anderson Silva gets knocked out pulling an Anderson Silva.

I love the derision being thrown Silvas way now. When Silva annihilates Weidman in the rematch I hope those same people don't jump off the bandwagon.


the rematch won't come for awhile. There has to be some tomato cans and suspicious fights to prop Weidman up as more acceptable to the MMA faithful. Then Silva...having done more movies, having improved on his English, having had some time away from the spotlight to return and be beloved again...will return and absolutely annihilate Weidman.

Ubereem got knocked out because he ran out of gas. he was so overconfident that he didn't train properly. He was winning that fight against Bigfoot until he ran out of gas.

Anderson was winning that fights vs Weidman, too.

Now. It doesn't strike you as more than odd that a guy with 9 fights comes in and TKO's the GOAT? Even Leon Spinks had more than that under his belt as an amatuer, and that was back when being an Olympic champ really carried heft and weight...and Leon was fighting a clearly fading Ali.

Anderson was coming off of stopping a roided up Stephan Bonnar...a guy who went the distance with Jon Jones and was never TKO'd or KO'd even BEFORE he took roids.

All this talk about "Anderson's legacy being secure even if he loses" never struck you as suspicious?

All this sudden talk from Dana...who neeeeeveeeer eeeeeveeeer mentioned rematches visavis Anderson before, when Anderson was facing legit threats like Vitor, Franklin, Okami, Thales Leites...of guaranteeing Anderson a rematch should he lose never struck you as suspicious?

Anderson...who spars with heavy fisted, fast handed and quick footed Junior Dos Santos on a semi-regular basis, and was never hurt...suddenly gets outpunched by a guy who is known to NOT be a striker, but rather a grappler? And not even a power grappler, but a pressure and finesse grappler? None of that struck you as suspicious?

Anderson...who spars with Lyoto the Dragon the Machida, a guy who is clearly a better striker than Weidman, and hands routinely outfights him...gets caught by Weidman?


Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida Sparring at Black House



Anderson...who dodges Vitor's punches with his hands down, who shrugs off heavy blows from powerful guys like Ryan Bader, who completely humbles hard hitting fast handed profession boxers...gets smashed by a guy who's not even a good striker?
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MMA Ultimate Set: Anderson Silva Sparring at Wild Card Boxing Club



Anderson just happens to lose to a White guy...a New Yorker...with the perfect Rocky script storytelling, drawing in more White fans than ever. Right as the UFC struggles more and more to get into New York. The selfsame New York that would mean an extra 100 mill per year for the UFC's coffers, were they to break into that state?

What could Anderson win from this?

Well. Anderson can take a much needed break to mend his body. He can pursue his business affairs, work on his English. Star in more movies like Gina Carano and Rampage Jackson, and thereby get paid a whole lot more than the mere 800K he made vs Weidman. He would get kickbacks from the UFC, as you know he would hold some form of official position with the UFC during his absence as MW kingpin...which would skyrocket were the UFC ever to make it into New York.

Then he would come back and make preposterous payola in the much anticipated rematch.

Or. He could be like Renzo Gracie. Build his businesses well, and make millions per month...far more than he would make with the UFC...and never need to return to the Octagon or MMA in a pro fighting capacity.

Or. He could do both. Make millions upon millions with his movies and businesses. Rest and mend his body. Recapture the respect of the MMA crowd and fans. Come back. Win the MW belt. Maybe win the LHW belt. Enter history as one of the 3 UFC multiweight titleholders...and the only 2 time UFC MW champion. The only Pride AND UFC MW Champ. Worked for Hendo. Workded for Couture. GSP isn't doing too bad after he regained his strap from Serra, and the Serra fight is looked upon as an aberration. Almost nobody remembers it.

In the interim? In Anderson's absence? The MW division suddenly takes on fresh new life and vigor. It is no longer staid. The iron fisted invincible GOAT ruler of the MW division is gone. The UFC will do more sales per MW title fight, with Weidman as champion. More White viewers will rush into the UFC's fold. They will be able to start challenging boxing again, especially with the imminent retirement of Floyd Mayweather Jr., and no clear cut star primed to take his place. No, not even Broner is close to Floyd's class.

But in the UFC MW division? Suddenly things get live again. The UFC can become the alternative for boxing fans tired of boxing politics, tired of boxing PPV costs, and looking for something new and cool.

Cha-ching, says the UFC.


Mousasi, Vitor, Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen, Rich Franklin, Okami, Michael Bisping, Jacare, Luke Rockhold, and more fighters are suddenly looking at the MW crown as something that they can actually add to their mantle, now that Anderson is gone.

Of course, you can scratch any Black champion coming in and winning. That would essentially put them back in a LESSER position than if Anderson had won and remained champion.
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2013, 12:56:48 am »
Nope. This was a fix. Not the Year of Hubris.

I disagree. That damn fool just got caught. It could happen to anybody. Only a fool would think that this fight legitimizes Weidman as anything but the luckiest SOB on the planet.

If Rashad wants to remain relevant, he'll drop to MW. He's been hanging on to LHW by a thread as is. Of course, he also needs to leave the Blackzillians and go back to Jackson's. Make amends with Jon Jones and go get a belt, b/c that LHW title ain't goin' nowhere for a long, LONG time.
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2013, 02:07:46 am »
Nope. This was a fix. Not the Year of Hubris.

I disagree. That damn fool just got caught. It could happen to anybody. Only a fool would think that this fight legitimizes Weidman as anything but the luckiest SOB on the planet.

If Rashad wants to remain relevant, he'll drop to MW. He's been hanging on to LHW by a thread as is. Of course, he also needs to leave the Blackzillians and go back to Jackson's. Make amends with Jon Jones and go get a belt, b/c that LHW title ain't goin' nowhere for a long, LONG time.

Anyone CAN get caught.

But all of these factors together...the ones that I listed...are just too suspicious. Just too...coincidental.

Anyone CAN get caught. Even the GOAT.

But imo that didn't happen tonight. What happened tonight was politics, imo. A work.
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2013, 03:30:07 am »
..why in the world would Anderson Silva want to get knocked out again?
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2013, 09:32:57 am »
..why in the world would Anderson Silva want to get knocked out again?

Exactly.  Why would anyone want to get knocked out?

He just got caught.  That's it.  No politics, no backstage drama.  He got caught, and felt some hubris.


And I say this as a big Silva fan.  I really don't mind this loss.  Weidman should, because not only is he just considered lucky despite his win streak, but he just made every MW fighter get really hungry.

Especially Belfort.

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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2013, 04:34:21 pm »
Especially Belfort.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS. Look to a whole lot of LHWs trying to cut weight.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2013, 08:12:04 am »
@supreme illuminati:

'Sup S.I.?

How are things?

You make many good points above but I have to add that its not race politics that is keeping
MMA out of New York State IMHO, its local politics.

There are a whole bunch of local promoters at the Golden Gloves level, the lower weight divisions level
who would lose influence if MMA comes to New York.

They do not want to have to compete with UFC and even Strikeforce for venues like Madison Square Garden. Even a wack UFC card would probably draw more than the stuff that we are getting here now (unless its a Zab Judah fight-dudes local-or something).

I figure these guys have been pushing the State Assembly to block MMA for years now.

Why else would New York State Asembly persons consistanly vote against MMA in NYS given that the UFC is a multi million dollar industry that would bring the State Millons dollars in revenue?

Remember Dana WANTS to be in New York.

Badly.

He wants Madison Square Garden and Barkeys. He doesn't care about the taxes. He wants to pay our high ass taxes. He stands to makes so much money here that he could give a rat's ass about taxes.

On the other hand, because of taxes, there hasn't been a major Boxing match in New York State since I was a kid.
Its always Vegas or Atlantic City now.

Why is New York State supporting Boxing when Boxing isn't supporting New York State?

Payola, I figure.

What is happening now is that this blatant turning down of a license to print money is so blatantly irrational that even apathectic
New Yorkers are wondering what's going on and who is getting paid.

So we are finally seeing some wavering on the issue.
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Re: ANDERSON SILVA OR CHRIS WEIDMAN?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2013, 03:50:11 pm »
..why in the world would Anderson Silva want to get knocked out again?

Exactly.  Why would anyone want to get knocked out?

He just got caught.  That's it.  No politics, no backstage drama.  He got caught, and felt some hubris.


And I say this as a big Silva fan.  I really don't mind this loss.  Weidman should, because not only is he just considered lucky despite his win streak, but he just made every MW fighter get really hungry.

Especially Belfort.

Anderson didn't get knocked out. Even they couldn't "work" that one. Anderson allegedly got TKO'd...a flash TKO.

There are several problems with that...like how could a guy who's allegedly TKO'd respond to questions speaking his second language which he is baseline proficient at and not his primary language, the language he speaks in, the first language which springs into the brain's machinery when regaining consciousness, how could a guy who's TKO'd and supposed to go to the hospital by rule after such a loss literally beat everyone else...including undercard fighters...to the post-fight press conference and be perfectly lucid, without the slightest mention of a hospital visit being necessary as part of the rules, and a lot more...but that'll be for my blog. I'll leave a link to it when I'm done.

Can Anderson have been caught?

Yes.

Can Anderson have been a victim of Murphy's Law, and got caught by a luck shot at the worst time by the biggest collection of coincidences in the fighting universe?

Yes.

Are these coincidences far more than just suspicious?

Yes.

Consider...Anderson is the GOAT of MMA. Weidman is basically a complete n00b. What Weidman did is equivalent to some no name guy who was previously a wrestler sans exceptional hand or foot speed, sans exceptional strength, sans any top 10 experience at all...taking 9 boxing matches, then technically outboxing and decisively KO'ing a still prime Sugar Ray Robinson [ who is probably the GOAT in boxing ]. What Weidman allegedly did? It's equivalent to a judoka of national rank taking 9 kickboxing matches at the local kickboxing circuit...then dominatingly outkickboxing and decisively knocking out a still prime Ernesto Hoost in the K-1.

Would K-1 look at such a guy facing Ernesto Hoost and repeatedly say in their promotion of the fight that Ernesto Hoost is so great that it wouldn't matter if he lost to this scrub with 9 fights? Would boxing promote their fight between this prime "Bum of the Month" guy and Sugar Ray Robinson [ "bum of the month" was done with Joe Louis, I think ] and say that Sugar Ray and/or Joe Louis are so great that it wouldn't matter if this bum beat him or not?

I absolutely, positively do NOT think so.

I absolutely, positively, DO think that these organizations and businesses would make such a move if they're looking to make moves for the future, especially if they want to maximize their options, promote new young champions they don't have to pay so much, and provide closure for the fans of previous champions [ thus retaining much of the buying base they have built thus far ]...and the reward would most certainly be significantly higher gross and net profits.

Vic Vega makes several absolutely crucial points that needs seriously deeply reflection and consideration. If money greases the skids on so many levels, Idk how yall could say that the casino owning Fertitas wouldn't toss over Anderson and/or anyone else for the perpetual money machine that New York is. $60-100/year...for decades, meaning a gross of a billion plus...is nothing to sneeze at. And the UFC is also building in China, in order to compete vs One FC.

MMA and boxing are looking for new stars. Anderson is 38. Vitor is 37. Floyd is 36...and announced he's wrapping it up in less than 30 months from right now. The only other UFC stars with "name" power are Jon Jones, GSP and Ronda Rousey. Other champions bursting with potential are "Mighty Mouse" Johnson and the wrecking machine known as Jose Aldo. Plus Smooth Hendo breaks into the Asian market with a smashing blast. These are all young guns, with a decade or so of superstar power left in them, without question. And more gold medal Olympians...like Burroughs...are on the way.

Sounds like a good reason to overthrow Anderson. And remember...stack on top of this reasoning the kind of facts and data that Vic Vega supplied us with...

@supreme illuminati:

'Sup S.I.?

How are things?

You make many good points above but I have to add that its not race politics that is keeping
MMA out of New York State IMHO, its local politics.

There are a whole bunch of local promoters at the Golden Gloves level, the lower weight divisions level
who would lose influence if MMA comes to New York.

They do not want to have to compete with UFC and even Strikeforce for venues like Madison Square Garden. Even a wack UFC card would probably draw more than the stuff that we are getting here now (unless its a Zab Judah fight-dudes local-or something).

I figure these guys have been pushing the State Assembly to block MMA for years now.

Why else would New York State Asembly persons consistanly vote against MMA in NYS given that the UFC is a multi million dollar industry that would bring the State Millons dollars in revenue?

Remember Dana WANTS to be in New York.

Badly.

He wants Madison Square Garden and Barkeys. He doesn't care about the taxes. He wants to pay our high ass taxes. He stands to makes so much money here that he could give a rat's ass about taxes.

On the other hand, because of taxes, there hasn't been a major Boxing match in New York State since I was a kid.
Its always Vegas or Atlantic City now.

Why is New York State supporting Boxing when Boxing isn't supporting New York State?

Payola, I figure.

What is happening now is that this blatant turning down of a license to print money is so blatantly irrational that even apathectic
New Yorkers are wondering what's going on and who is getting paid.

So we are finally seeing some wavering on the issue.

...and things start getting more clear.

What does Anderson get out of this?

More than he would get if he were the UFC MW Champion.

Consider...

...Anderson wants to branch out and challenge himself in other venues. His business [ The Muay Thai College is right here in Torrance. 20 minutes from LBC. I'm trying to swing by there next week ], his seminar circuits, his movie options. All of that expands for him without his UFC obligations. Doubt me?

Remember Gina Carano? Rampage Jackson? Cung Le? Alrighty then.

Do any of you know that Anderson's earning potential outstrips that of Renzo Gracie...and Renzo makes $1.2 million/month from his bjj schools?

Comparatively speaking, Anderson only made a guaranteed $600k from his fight with Weidman.

Renzo gets to be deeply involved in his beloved martial arts, make millions per year, train and work with top flight MMA and grappling talent, and never compromise his health and his body by having to take a punch. Renzo can't be ordered to deal with the annoying media or deal with stupid media obligations or be dictated to by Uncle Dana or anybody else...and make more money than is guaranteed top UFC talent in the process.

That's a sweet deal that you know that Anderson has been paying attention to.

Consider this also: Anderson has been fighting professionally since the age of 17. He came up in the legendarily brutal Chute Boxe Academy. Like Mayweather Jr., Anderson most definitely deserves and his body needs a 1-2 year or so layoff between fights, but unlike Floyd? Anderson has only a few more actual fights left within him. And what are the fights that interest him? Almost none of the big fights for Anderson are at MW. Anderson could return and eradicate Weidman, enter the UFC record books--AGAIN--as the only 2 time UFC MW Champ, but...whoop dee doo. Been there, done that. The pay would be great for that fight and its inevitable threematch...which Silva wins...but then what? Not enough to build 10 fights on, like the contract says, now is it?

You know what WOULD build ten fights that Anderson and the paying public would be interested in and which would bring the UFC stupid revenue?

Yall remember the SUPER CHAMPION belt that the UFC used to have, back in the UFC tournament days?

Imagine the Super Champion belt being a Champion from one weight class facing a top 10 guy/girl from another weight class. This way, champions from various weight classes don't have to be threatened with the loss of their belts, but the Super Champion becomes unquestionably the baddest p4p around. Which magnifies their cash for each fight...and attracts more sponsors, too. It ALSO gives Anderson a latitude and challenge that nobody else has ever had. He would be the UFC's only 2 time MW and Super Champ belt holder. Result? Now he can fight opponents ranging from Nick Diaz all the way up to Frank Mir...wherever his fancy takes him...and he could relinquish the UFC MW belt voluntarily, and NOT be punished for it. Weidman could snap it up or...howzabout this for a salivating option if you're the Fertittas...Chael Sonnen becomes the UFC MW Champ and the biggest cash cow champ in MMA.

Everybody wins. Anderson is the Super Champ, he can pick and choose fights or retire as he pleases. He doesn't have to be forced to face guys he doesn't want to face. At the same time? Every fight he takes will spark public interest in a major way, and be worth lotsa money. After he's gone? You have a mechanism in place to perpetuate these cash making options, at the UFC's discretion.

Like I said. Everybody wins.

And that's what I think is gonna happen...or at least shouldhappen.
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