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Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« on: March 21, 2014, 07:24:20 am »
So I watched Captain America: The Winter Soldier last night at an early screening.

And absolutely loved it.  It was pretty much the modern Captain America flick I was looking for.  If The First Avenger caught the WW2, Rocketeer-ish atmosphere of old school Cap, this film got modern Cap, and modern SHIELD stories right.

The fight scenes...  Man, you just aren't going to see this level of brutality in a Marvel flick again.  Cap was like the human hurricane Kirby used to draw, just mowing down just about anyone who got in his way.  Black Widow and Fury were also fantastic.

What they did with Falcon's origin is something I was REALLY happy about.  It was a merger I hadn't even thought about, without the "Snap" part, lol.  He was great in the movie as well.

The story was a nice adaptation of The Winter Solider...  But what I didn't expect was that they were adapting TWO Marvel stories.  Lets just say I think another well known current Marvel writer deserves credit too.


Not only is this movie must see in general, but if you follow the MCU, especially if you still follow Agents of SHIELD, you must watch this movie.  Or at least find out what happens.  The ramifications are just mind boggling.   

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2014, 09:55:59 am »
Definitely gonna check it out...
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 10:01:38 pm »
No spoilers for me, la la la la la la...  :P

I hope that the next film can have a Hard Traveling Heroes theme, with Steve and Sam on a road trip together, and adventure/conspiracy erupts.

Possible antagonists:  [maybe Priest's Anti-Cap & John Walker can be merged; he gets recruited for a modern black ops super-soldier program in the aftermath of 9/11, while movie Cap was still on ice], the Grand Director (50s Cap), Ultimatum, Machinesmith, Flag-Smasher (save return of the Skull for Avengers 3?)
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 12:41:17 pm »
I saw it last night and loved it!  Don't want to say more, but the comments by Kid Kamakazi at the top were right on time!

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 07:47:17 am »
Cool movie. Best hand to hand action sequences in a MCU movie to date. Cap can't go backwards from this in Avengers 2.
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 04:41:19 pm »
Four shields!

The fight scenes were all top-notch.  Really impressive.

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...Batroc lives to fight again!  I noticed the colors of his outfit; nice nod to the original outfit.  And this leaves him alive to be in the Black Panther film (yes, I went there)..

...Falcon gets props!  Great to see him in action and a stand-up guy without the "hip" backstory reboot.  No Redwing, alas.. but I guess two pistols work better in combat.

So, what real-world national security/political figure was Robert Redford channeling... hmm..
Also, I seem to recall a Mr. Pierce that was a member of the Hellfire Club in the X-Men comics, and at one point he had a bionic arm like Bucky was given.. no word on explicitly what happens to Pierce's body after Fury lays him out.. hmm..

So, Bucky gets to have a glimpse of his humanity by film's end.. Still, arguably he has a lot of blood on his hands doing work for the bad guys.. I wonder where this can go next.

Eyah, Garry Shandling's senator is down with Hydra!  I thought he was just a jerk!  Yeeps..

Arnim Zola gets to be an old-school computer!  Heh.. Maybe next film the robot Sleeper can be activated.

So, I wonder is the entire organization laid asunder with all of the revelations?  And of course, what the heck does this mean for the TV show?  Geez.. I can accept that events of the TV show aren't lock in step with the movies, but I suppose this is also a risk of the "in the same world" conceit-- I hope that the TV audience is willing to still go along for the ride.

The first epilogue-- Hmm, so was the bad guy Baron Strucker or Zemo?  And of course, we get to see a glimpse of Pietro and Wanda...  I wonder what their backstory is this time, without the X-Men connections.

Oh!  Trouble Man gets to be on the soundtrack!  Funky!   ;D

I left after the first epilogue.. Mama Hype had went to see Mr. Peabody & Sherman, which I knew was ending earlier..
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2014, 08:28:37 am »
I agree with everyone, one of the best (if not the best) CBM. I was very well paced, GREAT fight scenes and TONS of Easter eggs, My favorites - the PlpFct Tombstone, "Shall we Play" and  the assassination targets were pretty good. The 1st end sequence was good (who were the "other" accidents) the 2nd was meh. Overall 5 out of 5 after giving this movie more thought...did we witness the birth of SWORD, it would made a good transition to GOTG, A:AoU & Nova?

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2014, 10:17:28 am »
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SPOILER WARNING: This article contains major spoilers for the recently released film "Captain America: The Winter Soldier."

Seen "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" yet? Still processing the outcome of the film -- which left S.H.I.E.L.D. in shambles after revealing the intelligence organization had long been infiltrated by Hydra, and Nick Fury off the grid and presumed dead?


CBR News spoke with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige to discuss why "The Winter Soldier" was the right place to introduce such steep change to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, plus get his take on the film's cameos and that "Stephen Strange" guy mentioned by Jasper Sitwell.

CBR News: Kevin, what was the motivator of making this movie the vehicle of such seismic change? Clearly, it'll have a huge impact on the movies going forward. Why was now the right time to shake things up in such a big way?

Kevin Feige: We're nine movies in. The idea was, Cap's in the modern era. Cap's still working for S.H.I.E.L.D. Some of the things we were most inspired by in the comics was when he was questioning authority, and finding himself at odds with a big organization. You start to think about the movies that came out in the '70s -- there were Cold War movies, and then there were governmental conspiracy movies. You'e heard all of us talk a lot about "3 Days of the Condor," and "All the President's Men," and "The Parallax View."

We said, "The first movie was a World War II genre film with genetically engineered superheroes in it. Let's do a '70s political thriller, Marvel superhero style." We've never seen that before, that could be really, really cool. In order to do that, you need him on the run, you need a Big Bad that he's chasing. You need to put him in a scenario where he doesn't know who to trust -- which is what those movies were always about -- and it frankly gave us an opportunity to just do something that I'd always been thinking about since we were working on the first Captain America film, which is, "If the SSR [Strategic Scientific Reserve] defeated Hydra and defeated the bad guys in World War II, that was the organization that becomes S.H.I.E.L.D. -- they must have brought in Hydra scientists." The way the US did; Wernher von Braun and the Nazis. They must have brought in tech -- we already saw in "Avengers" that they're working with Hydra weapons, and trying to reverse engineer things. What if we reveal that it never went away? That Hydra was always there?

I remember pitching that to Chris Evans on the last day of production of "The Avengers" in Central Park in New York City in September of 2011. He was like, "You're blowing my mind!" He's one of the first people I ever even pitched this idea to, and he was loving it. I was like, "This could be it." And then we talked to Chris [Markus] and Steve [McFeely] and Joe [Russo] and Anthony [Russo], and everybody was on board, and everybody took that idea and ran with it, and improved it to what you saw.

Yeah, it was definitely reminiscent of stuff from comics -- including Jonathan Hickman's "Secret Warriors" series.

Yeah! Exactly. Putting Nick Fury in a position where he's on the run. And even going back to Sternako, and to Scorpio; that stuff.

Given all of that, from the fan perspective, in the film there's Hydra, there's Arnim Zola -- is there any chance to see Red Skull again? It seems that he could have fit into this storyline.

There's always a chance. Did he incinerate when that cube and portal opened up? Who knows. That's part of the fun.

Let's talk about that post-credits scene that was directed by Joss Whedon -- the post-credits scene of "Thor: The Dark World" was a first glimpse of "Guardians of the Galaxy," which seems consistent with been released of the film thus far. Is the scene with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch an indicator of the tone of "Avengers: Age of Ultron"?

Well, I'd say both of those things certainly give you a taste of parts of it. I wouldn't say either of those things can represent the whole. But, yes -- in particular, what they'll be up against in "Age of Ultron" is certainly hinted at in that tag. And who.

"Winter Soldier" contained a quick namedrop that was very significant to comic book fans -- Jasper Sitwell was listing potential targets, and said the name "Stephen Strange." I'm sure that wasn't done accidentally -- how deliberate was that put in there in terms of getting people interested in a "Doctor Strange" movie, which has been said to be in the plans?

We're definitely working very hard on trying to figure that out and get the right team in place on that. His mention was less about, "We're going to announce it soon, let's put it out there!" and more about, "No, he's definitely in the MCU," and even if he were just a brilliant surgeon at that time, he would probably be on their kill list.

The Russos directed "Captain America: The Winter Soldier," and Danny Pudi and DC Pierson both had cameos in the film. That's following Chris O'Dowd in "Thor: The Dark World," and Adam Pally in "Iron Man 3." Those are a lot of names associated with comedy -- how much of a passion is that for you?

I just like cool stuff. I just like stuff that's well done, and all of those people that you named are part of that. So I'd say it's less about any sort of hardcore comedy fan, and more about just bringing in people -- from anywhere -- that have done great work, and we think could add to our world. And all of the people you just mentioned -- Chris O'Dowd in particular in "The Dark World" -- just help elevate it.

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2014, 07:45:17 pm »

Lots of good action in this flick, but nothing really unexpected.  I'm more excited to see how it changes the ABC TV show.
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2014, 09:38:02 pm »
Eyah, Garry Shandling's senator is down with Hydra!  I thought he was just a jerk!  Yeeps..

I was shocked by his appearance. What the heck did Garry do to his face?

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2014, 05:19:47 am »
Enjoyed it. I don't think I enjoyed it as much as true Marvel fans did. Out of the Marvel hero movies Captain America is my least favorite. But at this point I expect the Marvel movies to be good. I'd be surprised otherwise.  :)
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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2014, 12:43:41 pm »
Really enjoyed it. Right now Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie to date. I didn't think Avengers would be surpassed, but it was for me. Let's see if Avengers 2 can up the ante.

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2014, 01:02:44 pm »
Second to Avengers for me but a great time at the movies.  More down to earth and serious/grown up than Avengers.
Funny though my son liked CATWS better than Avengers.  He too is a grown man though.

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2014, 09:16:25 pm »
Just finished seeing it.

Great, great movie.

Gives you the action of the Avengers and the social commentary of the Dark Knight.
All the performances were great.

It was fun seeing Redford play the otber side of the desk from
the operative roles that he did back in the day.

There is a lot in this movie to digest. I mean  there are three Cap villains in this not counting Winter Soldier
and none of them is the main baddie.

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Re: Captain America: The Winter Soldier
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2014, 07:20:49 pm »
Interesting. 

According to stats, Marvel still can't afford to do a re-make of a major Marvel movie without sales from Foreign markets.  Out of current earnings, here are the stats:
Domestic Sales Approximately: 38% of gross sales which is not enough to cover the movie expense
Foreign Sales Approximately: 67% of gross sales 

What would they be without Disney? 

What should Marvel do?