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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1845 on: February 03, 2015, 12:49:39 pm »


I am unsure what it is to talk about anymore.
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With these choices, I felt that the American black man only needed to choose which one to get eaten by; the liberal fox or the conservative wolf because both of them will eat him.

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1846 on: February 03, 2015, 02:04:13 pm »
Um...Storm's book fails, because as it's been shown, she's simply not an interesting character on her own. Outside of the same tired and rehashed nostalgia that's been repeated for the past 40 years, ad nauseum, she has nothing.

And Storm fans weren't upset that the marriage ended at all. What's that writer talking about? They were pissed that she was with some black dude that they knew nothing about (or any black dude "period"), and that her romantic feelings for him were "retconned". The same Storm fans who were shipping for her being paired up every other white dude under the sun (even the ones who didn't make any sense at all) , and ended up showing just how massively hypocritical they were when she was thrown in to Wolverine's bed. All the while saying next to nothing about the retcon that they slept together in the past. Hell, they were even silent that her "one true love" didn't even think of her ONCE in his dying moments. But cited how "horrible" BP always was towards her, as for why they hated said marriage.

This writer clearly didn't read any Storm threads on any actual forums.

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Damn! Cats on CBR weren't pulling any punches over this topic! But I bet these Truth Bombs will be overlooked by the LCBRD!

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implicit racial and gender coding is inherent in the observations on Storm being "boring" outside the X-Men. If pressed to elaborate at length, I suspect most could not even find a reason besides "I simply don't care..."

She really should have had her own ongoing series, or at least an annual mini-series, decades ago. Unfortunately, she was Claremont's "pet" character until he left Marvel, and so that was a no-go unless he were behind it back then. Post-Claremont, editorial still didn't deem her fit for her own solo adventures, welding her to the X-Men group context and inadvertently hobbling her thematically, compared to other folks who got to have solo fun on a recurring basis.

Juvenile fetish ideologies and racial pique were at the core of the hatred of the marriage to the Black Panther; despite the Panther's in-universe pedigree, you would think that Storm had decided to marry an unemployed loafer. People who otherwise just didn't care about Storm outside of an X-Men context all of a sudden were so super-protective of her virtue being sullied by being associated with an African king, and the implication that she has better things to do than being mooned over by Wolverine.

The current series needs more promotion, but again it's hobbled in that the built-up "fan narrative" has already pigeonholed Ororo long ago as the X-Men's "den mother." Ultimately, that group of people who only accept her as part of a team effort don't really want her as the primary character, either. They want Rogue, Shadowcat, Rachel Summers, Pixie, Jubilee, etc., as the POV characters, who get the lion's share of spoken dialogue and internal monologues.

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Storm's real problem is that the character has always lacked any shred of authenticity, so whether or not she's the most prominent black woman in comics is fairly meaningless. She might come from Africa, but it's a version of Africa that's just one big country filled with uncivilized, unsophisticated tribesmen that bears no resemblance to any real place. Her home country of Kenya is a place where 52% of the people have internet access, they probably have better things to do with their time than pray to a supposed weather goddess. And as far as being Kenyan goes, she doesn't look like any Kenyan I've ever met, with her fair skin, straight hair, and sharp facial features she looks more like the standard Marvel white female colored a slightly darker shade than an actual African woman most of the time. And most of her popularity comes from the Claremont era, where he essentially used her as this pan-racial fetish object to play out his own fantasies on the page.

To be perfectly fair though, all of this was still fairly brave back in the late 70s, when the very fact she existed at all was a major step forward. Problem is, Marvel has never made any effort to update her character substantially since then, and their attempts to try and boost her popularity by retreading well worn ground simply haven't worked because modern sensibilities aren't as easily fooled anymore. And seriously, people need to stop referring to her as a "goddess," delusions of divine grandeur are nothing to be proud of.

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I agree the art on Storm is not greatest, but actually it's the coloring that is really hurting the book, muddy browns and muted color scheme, for a character that is vibrant and colorful.

Storm is a culturally hollow character. No black family, no black friends. Her marriage to BP was celebrated by many Blacks, who wanted to see their favorite black super hero with their favorite Black super heroine. The marriage connected Storm to her African heritage, she was now royalty living on the continent of Africa where she was introduced, bringing her full circle. There were so many directions their marriage could have taken, but didn't. How the marriage was written, could have been better, sure. But the issue with the BP is disturbing. when Storm was connected to Forge, the Beast, or the Angel and now Wolverine, no one seemed to have a problem, but mention the Black Panther and there's a litany of why it was a bad idea, the most common complaints "it didn't make sense and how is it possible?" Statements made regarding a universe that allows multiple X-men, Spidermen and Avengers to exist on the same plain (in short anything possible.

Finally a problem that many in the communities of color are quite aware of is Marvel's reluctance to show characters of color in a relationship. Why are all of Marvel popular Black characters (with the exception of BP whose single) in relationships with non black characters.
If Marvel can't come to grips with that, its characters will remain culturally stagnated, and books like Storm will continue being cancelled and they can blame the readers.

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Because the majority of the majority white (i.e. of European descent) segment of the hardcore fanbase sexually fetishizes non-white characters , BOTH the fanboys AND fangirls do this. And the majority of the minority non-white segment of the hardcore fanbase themselves tend to be self-hating wannabe-whites who, conveniently and complementarily, sexually fetishize white characters themselves. So, it's one big "progressive" interracial orgy, and no "conservative" intraracial pairings are allowed, except white-white pairings, again simply because white fans are the bulk of the audience. Meanwhile, the minority of the majority white segment of the hardcore fanbase and the minority of the minority non-white segment of the hardcore fanbase who don't sexually fetishize the characters ( and who would thus be okay with more intraracial pairings, even if it meant less non interracial pairings), as well as the softcore fanbase (i.e. casual fans) are considered irrelevant by the Corporations.

Oh well, as POC myself, I'm flattered that at least they find us desirable enough to do that

But the problem also lies with the character of Storm herself, she takes herself too seriously, I personally always felt that at the worst of times she was an uptight remote snobby diva who nobody could ever relate to --- and unlike the other female Xmen with bitch-queen/princess complexes, she's not even entertaining because she's much too quiet --- , and at the best of times, she was basically black female Spock (or the child of Spock and Uhura in the new timeline, if you prefer) i.e. an apparently emotionless\unemotional autistic fembot --- and unlike other such female Characters, she's not even entertaining because she's already wise to the ways of the world to be going through the personal psycho-emotional journey-of-self-discovery that such characters experience (also explains why mostly nobody likes Sage as well).

Well, they could have given her back the Sexual Appeal/Sexual Tension she once did, though in the 1970's it was that of a Cavegirl-type (when she was FOB as it were) and now it would have to be MILF-type, but all those keyboard far-left social-justice warriors would raise hell*

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1847 on: February 03, 2015, 07:05:11 pm »
Bigger question is why are they listening to online postings in the first place?  History has proven that what is hot or hated online doesn't match what sells or doesn't.   It is very probable that what we see online isn't what the majority of fans feel.

I think it is smart to listen to fans on the internet as it gives you a nice cross section of the fanbase. Whenever you want to do an experiment with possible consequences for the masses, you first want try it out on a smaller, cross section group of people to get a response that you can measure.

You get a lot of feedback from fans online who have a vested interest in seeing a particular title to succeed. You can get a lot of both constructive criticism and positive feedback for what you do well. All of this can better help you craft your stories when you tell them.
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Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1848 on: February 04, 2015, 05:55:01 am »
That is the point;  the online fans are not a good cross-section of the fan base.   If they were, then they would be a good indicator of what sells or doesn't sell.  They aren't.

It is very possible that the online forum communities is just a small,  very small subsection of fans.   

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1849 on: February 04, 2015, 07:43:13 am »
That is the point;  the online fans are not a good cross-section of the fan base.   If they were, then they would be a good indicator of what sells or doesn't sell.  They aren't.

It is very possible that the online forum communities is just a small,  very small subsection of fans.




Agreed.

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1850 on: February 04, 2015, 01:31:47 pm »
That is the point;  the online fans are not a good cross-section of the fan base.   If they were, then they would be a good indicator of what sells or doesn't sell.  They aren't.

It is very possible that the online forum communities is just a small,  very small subsection of fans.




Agreed.
Agreed agreed.

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1851 on: February 05, 2015, 09:11:10 am »
It's sad that Storm fans say she's this deep interesting character but when a writer taps into that vein( Hudlin ) said writer gets sh*tted on by that fanbase but when a writer just pulls sh*t out of their ass( Gillen/Pak ) it's met with cries of it's not what they wanted/no nostalgia or just can't let go of the past( Claremont and all his overrated fetishism )

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1852 on: February 05, 2015, 05:19:29 pm »
It's sad that Storm fans say she's this deep interesting character but when a writer taps into that vein( Hudlin ) said writer gets sh*tted on by that fanbase but when a writer just pulls sh*t out of their ass( Gillen/Pak ) it's met with cries of it's not what they wanted/no nostalgia or just can't let go of the past( Claremont and all his overrated fetishism )

Bashing Reginald Hudlin has always been the default position for the disingenous and intellectually dishonest.

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1853 on: February 11, 2015, 03:03:50 pm »
So...book still sucks?
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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1854 on: February 11, 2015, 03:23:10 pm »
So...book still sucks?

The book has picked up. Pak is past the nostalgic rut, but the book lost too many readers during the early, "slow burn" start which permeated the first couple of issues. I'm not sure if that readership can be recaptured, but I have my fingers crossed. I think by issue 12, we are going to have a grand finale to the overarching, larger arc of the book. Hopefully, it can pick up readership by then and the book be given the green light for a second year.
Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1855 on: February 11, 2015, 04:34:25 pm »
Pak's writing on this has been weak, the covert gladiator battles were the worst...and Storm has lost her actual voice.  Her personality is gone while Pak is trying too hard to write her as "cool" and a badass.

The art is pretty bad too.

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1856 on: February 11, 2015, 06:31:59 pm »
Storm drops Sinister instantly by taking direct control of the electrical impulses in his nervous system and scrambling his brain!






Also, take note of all the other ways she listed she could beat him. Hot diggitity!  ;D
Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)

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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1857 on: February 11, 2015, 08:39:12 pm »
So...book still sucks?


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Re: New Storm Ongoing Title
« Reply #1858 on: February 12, 2015, 04:49:29 am »
So since delving into her "character" via solo book, proved to be a complete failure (the last issue dropped by more than 1200 and is in the 15,000 range)...Storm's back to the role that she is best suited to play these days.

"One-Note Lightning Lass." Gotta love those featz!

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« Reply #1859 on: February 12, 2015, 09:16:41 am »
So since delving into her "character" via solo book, proved to be a complete failure (the last issue dropped by more than 1200 and is in the 15,000 range)...Storm's back to the role that she is best suited to play these days.

"One-Note Lightning Lass." Gotta love those featz!

This is not true! The reason for the declining sales of her book, as I have stated time and again, is the nostalgic writing and slow burn start Pak started out with as well as the artwork. The hairdo is ugly and Storm doesn't look "sexy" in her title. When trying to market a female-led solo title to a market or predominately males, the female should be drawn very beautifully. Storm has always been "classy, but sexy" in her depictions in comics (unless she's sporting that UGLY mohawk). While Ibanez made her look like a "real woman", she was not "classy, but sexy" as she was during Yardin's run on "Black Panther" or when she was under CC's pen previous to BP.

Pak needed to start the title out with a bang. The story should have been BIG and ELECTRIFYING introducing an exciting new villain for Storm to fight and new friends for Storm to interact with. The slow burn stories he told could have waited till year two with issue 3 never being told.

The current story arc in the book is VERY interesting with cliffhangers and everything! There is a big bad behind Harmon Davis lurking in the shadows that we don't even know yet. The stories Pak's telling right now are new and original. He's a good storyteller.

That said, she did not zap Sinister with a lightning bolt in that scan. She manipulated the electrons in his brain to give him a seizure attack. That is SCARY!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2015, 10:32:02 am by Rutog98 »
Ex-X-Writer and Ex-X-editor Ann Nocenti writes on Storm:

"At her command, oceans rise, breezes cool, rains pummel, tornadoes destroy, sun dries, seas part."

Take from page 24 or 26 of her novel, "Prisoner X"

Pretty nifty! ;)