Author Topic: BLACK PANTHER MEDIA - Recast or The Two Killings of T'Challa the Black Panther  (Read 599454 times)

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Rumor has it that Jonathan Majors was cast to play Kang the Conqueror in Ant Man 3.

Kang! Wow? Well, talented dude, I'm sure he'll do well, but I have to wonder if they'd pivot due to Chadwick's passing? I could really see Jonathan making a fine T'Challa.

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Marvel Won’t Use a Digital Double for Chadwick Boseman in ‘Black Panther 2’

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marvel-won-t-digital-double-194802527.html

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Marvel Won’t Use a Digital Double for Chadwick Boseman in ‘Black Panther 2’

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/marvel-won-t-digital-double-194802527.html



I knew that Marvel MCU wasn't THAT stupid. Maybe 616 MU Editorial is THAT stupid, but...not MCU Fiege n squad.
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Shuri, The Black Panther, & Anti-Black Gentrification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEEOLk77r2c

I didn't listen to the whole podcast, though the part about Shuri starts at 1:25. He sort of movies on from Shuri specifically around 2:09, but broadens the discussion.


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QUOTE OF THE WEEK.

"If it was my choice I'd recast the role. I'd make a big deal of finding the "right" actor for it and remind folks that the character is bigger and older than any actor who plays him."

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Shuri isn't Robin.

People think in such tiny ways about this stuff.

We've already established that you get the king/queenship of Wakanda via trial-by-combat.

there's a version of the universe where she's both the black panther and NO LONGER the ruler.
there's a version where someone else is both ruler and black panther and Shuri gets to have her OWN adventures, enemies, identity.
there's a version where we simply recast the T'Challa role as we have for nearly a century with James Bond, Superman and Batman.

If it was my choice I'd recast the role. I'd make a big deal of finding the "right" actor for it and remind folks that the character is bigger and older than any actor who plays him.


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Finally read through Steven Barnes' take on recasting T'Challa. He made a lot of good points, as have others on this thread, and used some powerful language. There were some things he didn't get quite right (far as I recall Bill Duke's Bolivar Trask did survive in X-Men: The Last Stand and Captain Marvel was set in the 1990s instead of the 1970s) but overall he got a lot more right, or that I agreed with.

Over a decade ago now his blog influenced a lot of how I see entertainment and the depiction of black people and it's good that he's still dissecting entertainment along that line.

I also wanted to chime in because I'm reading Gorgon Child now. I had read the first book in the trilogy a very long time ago, and then the last book, Firedance, so I want to complete the trilogy. I recall getting the first book because I liked the premise on the back cover, but while reading it, it dawned on me that Aubry Knight was actually a black character and that definitely hooked me. Knight is one of the only black male science-fiction heroes in literature that I've seen, read, or know about, not counting media tie-in stuff like Star Trek, and even there, there's Sisko, Geordi, and Tuvok primarily (and you can throw in Mayweather too) so there are still not many. And for black females, there's Uhura and now Burnham; of course I'm not really counting the supporting characters who might show up in a book like Paul Winfield's Clark Terrell, or black characters originally created for the Trek novels, but I think you catch my drift. And there are even less black males, and especially females, in Star Wars novels-especially back in the day-though Disney Star Wars has been diversifying their books and comics in ways the old EU didn't, though also pushing an "SJW" agenda in ways the old books and comics didn't either. Stargate also had novels, and comics, so there were chances that Teal'c and Teyla got stories, but I would need to look into that. I doubt that Herb Jefferson's Boomer ever got a comic story, and I'm sure not a novel, about him, and then he got erased in the new Battlestar Galactica, and substitued with Dualla in terms of black representation, a character they wrote out even before the series was over, a major waste of Kandyse McClure. I do remember that Dualla got one important storyline in a comic ("The Returners"), involving her brother, which I think was better, from what little I read of it, than anything I saw them give her on the series, with new BSG also not having any prominent main black male characters (not counting guest stars like Bill Duke and Carl Lumbly). I do think that The Orville's Chief Engineer LaMarr got a two-issue storyline (it appears that all Orville comics are set up that way so it wasn't an intentional short changing) in that comic series, so there's that.

Even today I'm not sure there are that many straight black male characters or black male characters period (I'm talking about main characters here, not supporting characters or sidekicks, or those pushed to the side for female, or other, characters) in genre literature, even though there are a lot more black fantasy, horror, and science fiction writers out there. This is just anecdotal on my part but it seems like that there are far more books that feature black females and/or black LGBTQ characters than straight black men in genre fiction today, which is how it's going in mainstream entertainment. Horror/thriller writer Brandon Massey is one though that will feature straight black male characters. If anything I think there might be more straight black male characters in mystery/crime fiction, and also street lit (but I feel that today's street lit is geared more toward female readers unlike stuff like Donald Goines or Iceberg Slim), whereas writers like Walter Mosely (I was at a bookstore event for Mosely once where he said his motivation for writing was to create black male heroes, which he has made good on), Gary Phillips, and Gar Anthony Haywood have no problem creating straight black male protagonists.

I still admire what Barnes has done and what he has to say. So far, my favorite book from him has been Lion's Blood. I have yet to read the sequel, but Lion's Blood was an epic work. I would love to see the Aubry Knight trilogy on the big or small screen. I mean, this could be the role Michael Jai White was made for.
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Good catch Emperorjones.


Thanks Ture,

Though I still think going with Shuri is more organic as far as storytelling goes, I can also understand more now how the loss of T'Challa as a character could affect black male fans, especially boys. Even though Blade is coming, and War Machine and Falcon are in the MCU (Luke Cage and SHIELD's Mack aren't really even in this discussion IMO, same with Cloak and the Runaways and Inhuman black male characters), none of them are at the level of T'Challa. He has a whole world built up around him, with endless merchandising that Falcon, War Machine, and definitely Blade don't have when it comes especially to children. Black women and especially girls also need to see strong black male characters in fiction.

I've been looking at this whole thing also through a more cynical-I would say sober-lens and I don't allow myself to love T'Challa/Black Panther, in the comics or films, because I keep in mind who owns the character.  Despite that, or whatever Marvel and Disney do or intend to do to the character, that doesn't necessarily stop people from dreaming of better or filling in the blanks, and using personal imagination to go beyond the limitations imposed on black characters. And also I have undervalued the importance of just seeing strong pictures of black superheroes-black male heroes in this case. I still remember how awed I was seeing Falcon on the cover of a book when I was in second grade. It wasn't my book I recall and I don't even know if I even read that story, but just to see him in a classic superhero pose left a deep impression. I think Falcon was the first black superhero I saw on the cover of a magazine, while I think Black Vulcan or Brown Hornet were the first black superheroes I saw on television. I've also discounted how much black creators have brought to Black Panther. Though he is white created and controlled, T'Challa's world does have a black imprint, from Billy Graham on down to Ryan Coogler and beyond.

Though I am still wary about Marvel and Disney when it comes to Black Panther and other black superheroes, as well as DC/Warner Brothers, etc., and still want black people to keep creating and supporting our own heroes, which are fully conceived and controlled by black minds, hands, and dollars. Which brought to mind the old Sun Man characters I remember seeing in Ebony or Jet magazine back in the day. Just seeing those characters was inspiring. Wish I had bought them. I remember getting into John Stewart in the Mosaic story, and that might be the first superhero comic I read with a black person as the main character. I had read books before that with Lothar and Storm, and I think Cyborg but if memory serves, it was Mosaic that was the first book I read with a black superhero as the main character. Thankfully I was able to support some of Milestone Comics when I chanced upon Blood Syndicate and Icon at a comic book store back in the day.

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Here's my thoughts on the YouTube video. I understand the overall message he is trying to get across which is the importance of black male characters being able to be shown as powerful and competent and not falling into stereotypes. I don't however, agree with how he goes about the discussion. I will admit I didn't watch the whole thing, I only got through some of it. But the attitude that comes with it is kinda anti black female in a way, which I feel is feeding the issue. Which is pitting neb and women against each other in this constant cannibalizing stage. He fails to recognize how Black Panther actually makes strides to mend that mindset and shows unity and excellence rarely ever seen in Media pertaining to black men and women. I agree I don't like T'Challas intellect not being at the forefront and it does feel like he has had to give thst character trait to Shuri to some extent, but I do see that T'Challa is a genius. I do agree it needs to be more concrete.

Again at this stage, a recast should be done. T'Challa still has a ton of story to tell still and frankly,  despite what people think, it's his franchise, he is the solo hero, not a ensemble, and I don't think a transition like this would work well at all. Not with an incomplete story

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Marvel’s ‘Black Panther’ Sequel Shoot to Begin in July (Exclusive)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-black-panther-sequel-shoot-to-begin-in-july-exclusive

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Saw this was live on You Tube:

Shuri Becomes Black Panther After Namor KILLS Chadwick On Screen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYxuSEVN-wI

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Saw this was live on You Tube:

Shuri Becomes Black Panther After Namor KILLS Chadwick On Screen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYxuSEVN-wI


I don't think Marvel is THAT stupid. I think they ARE smart enough to play with us via media and purposely float various preposterous or not so preostrous "leaks" to gauge public reaction. Killing Chadwick onscreen? Absolutely hell no. Recasting T'Challa The Black Panther...and making Shuri The Ancient Future? That's where Marvel should go with this.
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There is a lot (I mean, A LOT!) of speculation in the YouTube forums that the looming MARVEL Cinematic Universe storyline(s) will have something to do with Dr. Strange and those ancient locations that Killmonger wanted to plunder back in 'Black Panther';  something to do with Killmonger's original plan; that he wanted to seek immortality in order to remain king in Wakanda. 

Namor the Sub-Mariner.

Then there are the Eternals.

Possibly The Defenders.

Nova.

She-Hulk.

I mean, rumors are flying all over the place what's in store for MARVEL fans.  :)

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There is a lot (I mean, A LOT!) of speculation in the YouTube forums that the looming MARVEL Cinematic Universe storyline(s) will have something to do with Dr. Strange and those ancient locations that Killmonger wanted to plunder back in 'Black Panther';  something to do with Killmonger's original plan; that he wanted to seek immortality in order to remain king in Wakanda. 

Namor the Sub-Mariner.

Then there are the Eternals.

Possibly The Defenders.

Nova.

She-Hulk.

I mean, rumors are flying all over the place what's in store for MARVEL fans.  :)

I heard about the Dr. Strange possibility, but none of the others. I would personally love the Netflix Defenders to be conscripted into the MCU. And everyone else mentioned above.

But I maintain that Marvel isn't stupid enough to kill Chadwick onscreen, when they could recast T'Challa.
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