BLACK PANTHER MCU - WAKANDA FOREVER - Ture's Review

[Battle]

I would personally love the Netflix Defenders to be conscripted into the MCU. And everyone else mentioned above.

Yeah, I agree.  I'd love to see 'The Defenders' given the MCU treatment, Supreme. 

But I maintain that Marvel isn't stupid enough to kill Chadwick onscreen, when they could recast T'Challa.

I agree.

That would be cruel; I trust T'Challa will not be killed off, at all.   

That's just not going to happen.

[Emperorjones]

The Blerd Cave #82 | Black Panther 2 Filming Soon, Black Lightning Canceled, Plus More!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4aNAoaskpI

Blerd Without Fear shares his thoughts, starting around 18:25

Marvel Says Black Panther Is Already Dead In The MCU - Black Panther 2 Update From Marvel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61mD6ruoLUY

Black Panther 2 Will Have 2 NEW Black Panthers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXBLIOicHlQ

http://www.yahoo.com/news/black-panther-2-set-start-160219247.html

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/black-panther-2-reportedly-start-003919715.html

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/black-panther-sequel-reportedly-begin-022037371.html

[Ezyo]

Lol the video claiming two Black Panthers, the source is from Grace Randolph... The same person who claimed a few weeks back that her "inside source" confirmed that T'Challa was going to be CGI'd in and killed at the start of the movie.. I swear, people are so dense

[supreme illuminati]

Regarding BP 2? Not believin jack...or jill... until the trailers start droppin for the ALREADY FINISHED movie.

[Emperorjones]

Lol the video claiming two Black Panthers, the source is from Grace Randolph... The same person who claimed a few weeks back that her "inside source" confirmed that T'Challa was going to be CGI'd in and killed at the start of the movie.. I swear, people are so dense

Now I can't speak on her 'inside info' on Panther but I think she's gotten some other scoops right, or close to it (I want to say she's been on it when it came to the Snyder Cut and Snyder even does interviews with her). Though I do recall now the director of Harley Quinn taking a swipe at Randolph also for what she said would be in the film that wasn't in the film.

[Ezyo]

I mean sure,you can get lucky with guesses, but what she has reported for bp has been false.. every Time, they generally just fling out a bunch of nonsense In hopes something sticks so they can claim they were right, whole simultaneously ignoring the other 10 things they were wrong about. Frankly, anything from her or We got this covered, I take as utter BS. What's worse is that people don't research and start believing this stuff.

[Emperorjones]

I mean sure,you can get lucky with guesses, but what she has reported for bp has been false.. every Time, they generally just fling out a bunch of nonsense In hopes something sticks so they can claim they were right, whole simultaneously ignoring the other 10 things they were wrong about. Frankly, anything from her or We got this covered, I take as utter BS. What's worse is that people don't research and start believing this stuff.

You'll get no argument here from me here. I also agree that people should do their own research. I haven't been looking at what Randolph has said about BP though I do look at her program from time to time, generally more before the pandemic because I liked her going over the weekend box office.

[Emperorjones]

Ezyo,

Grace Randolph is back, just for you, with a Thanksgiving feast of news. She must have heard you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkFB3VfHz1w

Mentions when BP2 shooting starts around 7:20; she gets more into BP2 around 10:15.

I disagree with Randolph here on making M'Baku a Black Panther. For one, that takes away him being White Gorilla (I don't like the name Man-Ape, and I thought RH gave him a much needed name makeover), but mostly because Winston Duke, despite being a big guy just comes across as being a bit soft-perhaps on purpose. He used comic timing to great effect in the first Black Panther, but I can't shake how his character was in Us, and I could see Coogler, Marvel going that route with M'Baku to make sure he doesn't outshine Shuri's BP. He could be the brawn, but not that bright, and still would get upstaged by Shuri-BP and especially the Dora Milaje. Randolph definitely misreads Panther fandom if she thinks a fun loving BP would be embraced, though to be fair, like with any hardcore fandom, it's just a small group of the people who would buy tickets and a fun loving, M'Baku-BP, a big black man who's a pussycat inside is really the kind of character that has gone over well countless times.

If they were going to have another male BP beside Shuri, I would rather go with W'Kabi. He had an edge in the first movie. I think he would not compliment Shuri as much as M'Baku would personality wise, but he also might not defer to her as much as I suspect a M'Baku-BP would either. W'Kabi would present more of a personality and ideological difference for Shuri and the audience.

[Ezyo]

Wow she is so far out of touch with reality it's staggering. This video reminded me very much why I dislike her when it comes to anything BP related. The stuff she speed is utter nonsense and further shows people will day whatever to get views and clicks.

The appeal of BP is that it's not afraid to break away from the MCU formula and actually take itself seriously. T'Challa isn't out cracking jokes left and right, it's bot afraid to ask tough questions and make you think and it doesn't undervalue a serious moment or scene with jokes like the others. BP is a serious with some light humor. That's how it should stay. IF Shuri and M'Baku took the mantle like she claims then you essentially get Thor rag. A Buddy cop movie that focuses on making the next joke. Because that's how the characters have been established.

She goes on again to mention her two source's with the CG after Marvel already came out and said they aren't doing that.. I mean.. why are people still believing what she's saying again? And this whole sacrifice himself at the start in some "beautiful" tribute is just morbid, poor taste and frankly stupid. The greatest BP of all time has been killed 3 times in under 10 years?? Miss me with that whole "respect" angle. That's creeping into Coatesville T'Challa. A recast is likely what is being done given the timing and it's what should be done to actually honor Chad.

Sorry but this makes my blood boil when I see this come up

[Ture]

Finally read through Steven Barnes' take on recasting T'Challa. He made a lot of good points, as have others on this thread, and used some powerful language. There were some things he didn't get quite right (far as I recall Bill Duke's Bolivar Trask did survive in X-Men: The Last Stand and Captain Marvel was set in the 1990s instead of the 1970s) but overall he got a lot more right, or that I agreed with.

Over a decade ago now his blog influenced a lot of how I see entertainment and the depiction of black people and it's good that he's still dissecting entertainment along that line.

I also wanted to chime in because I'm reading Gorgon Child now. I had read the first book in the trilogy a very long time ago, and then the last book, Firedance, so I want to complete the trilogy. I recall getting the first book because I liked the premise on the back cover, but while reading it, it dawned on me that Aubry Knight was actually a black character and that definitely hooked me. Knight is one of the only black male science-fiction heroes in literature that I've seen, read, or know about, not counting media tie-in stuff like Star Trek, and even there, there's Sisko, Geordi, and Tuvok primarily (and you can throw in Mayweather too) so there are still not many. And for black females, there's Uhura and now Burnham; of course I'm not really counting the supporting characters who might show up in a book like Paul Winfield's Clark Terrell, or black characters originally created for the Trek novels, but I think you catch my drift. And there are even less black males, and especially females, in Star Wars novels-especially back in the day-though Disney Star Wars has been diversifying their books and comics in ways the old EU didn't, though also pushing an "SJW" agenda in ways the old books and comics didn't either. Stargate also had novels, and comics, so there were chances that Teal'c and Teyla got stories, but I would need to look into that. I doubt that Herb Jefferson's Boomer ever got a comic story, and I'm sure not a novel, about him, and then he got erased in the new Battlestar Galactica, and substitued with Dualla in terms of black representation, a character they wrote out even before the series was over, a major waste of Kandyse McClure. I do remember that Dualla got one important storyline in a comic ("The Returners"), involving her brother, which I think was better, from what little I read of it, than anything I saw them give her on the series, with new BSG also not having any prominent main black male characters (not counting guest stars like Bill Duke and Carl Lumbly). I do think that The Orville's Chief Engineer LaMarr got a two-issue storyline (it appears that all Orville comics are set up that way so it wasn't an intentional short changing) in that comic series, so there's that.

Even today I'm not sure there are that many straight black male characters or black male characters period (I'm talking about main characters here, not supporting characters or sidekicks, or those pushed to the side for female, or other, characters) in genre literature, even though there are a lot more black fantasy, horror, and science fiction writers out there. This is just anecdotal on my part but it seems like that there are far more books that feature black females and/or black LGBTQ characters than straight black men in genre fiction today, which is how it's going in mainstream entertainment. Horror/thriller writer Brandon Massey is one though that will feature straight black male characters. If anything I think there might be more straight black male characters in mystery/crime fiction, and also street lit (but I feel that today's street lit is geared more toward female readers unlike stuff like Donald Goines or Iceberg Slim), whereas writers like Walter Mosely (I was at a bookstore event for Mosely once where he said his motivation for writing was to create black male heroes, which he has made good on), Gary Phillips, and Gar Anthony Haywood have no problem creating straight black male protagonists.

I still admire what Barnes has done and what he has to say. So far, my favorite book from him has been Lion's Blood. I have yet to read the sequel, but Lion's Blood was an epic work. I would love to see the Aubry Knight trilogy on the big or small screen. I mean, this could be the role Michael Jai White was made for.

An insightful and well written post Emperorjones. You know your sci-fi. You went in so deep I thought you were about to drop Land of the Giants'  Don Marshall aka Lieutenant Boma of "The Galileo Seven."

[Ture]

Excerpt Taken from 2018's Superheroes That Will Die In Avengers 4 Article

Considering how popular Shuri has become since the release of Black Panther, it's likely comic book fans worried for her throughout Avengers: Infinity War. Marvel readers know that T'Challa's sister held the mantle of Black Panther in the comics for some time, and eventually sacrificed her life fighting Thanos' Cabal in the Time Runs Out mini-event leading up to 2015's Secret Wars.

Of course, what's true in the comics has proven time and again to not necessarily be true in the movies. However, if Shuri were to die in Avengers 4, it could lead to an interesting opportunity for Black Panther 2.

When writer Ta-Nehisi Coates helped relaunch the Black Panther comic in 2016, he ended the first issue by revealing that T'Challa was struggling with how to bring Shuri back from the dead. Eventually, Shuri did return — and with powers connected to the ancestral origins of Wakanda.

Part of the unique nature of Wakanda is the blending of space-age technology and tribal mysticism. If Shuri were to die in Avengers 4 and return in a fashion similar to her comic book resurrection, it would give director Ryan Coogler a chance to explore the more mystic side of Wakanda's roots.

https://marvelmoviesnews.com/superheroes-that-will-die-in-avengers-4

So for all those clamoring for comic book accuracy and demanding Shuri take the mantle of Black Panther here's a sneak peek of what they could translate on screen.



WAKANDA IN RUINS... POSSIBLY BY FLOOD?!?



T'CHALLA AND SHURI ON THE RUN?!?



SHURI'S UNNECESSARY SACRIFICE?!?



DON'T WORRY THERE IS NO WAY SHE'LL BE ON HER KNEES... W'KABI!!!



THE CLASSIC NOBLE SACRIFICE AND OFF SCREEN SLAYINGI!!!



WHEN NEXT WE SEE SHURI SHE'S IN THE ANCESTRAL PLAIN BUT DON'T WORRY SHE IS STILL THE BLACK PANTHER. ALL THAT'S LEFT IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KILL T'CHALLA AND WHO GOT NEXT?


For all the A.G.E.N.D.A. pushers you may witness the demise of not only T'Challa but Shuri as well. It called killing two Black Panthers ("Black" heroes, "Black" characters) with one vibranium stone. Yea I said it.






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[supreme illuminati]

Excerpt Taken from 2018's Superheroes That Will Die In Avengers 4 Article

Considering how popular Shuri has become since the release of Black Panther, it's likely comic book fans worried for her throughout Avengers: Infinity War. Marvel readers know that T'Challa's sister held the mantle of Black Panther in the comics for some time, and eventually sacrificed her life fighting Thanos' Cabal in the Time Runs Out mini-event leading up to 2015's Secret Wars.

Of course, what's true in the comics has proven time and again to not necessarily be true in the movies. However, if Shuri were to die in Avengers 4, it could lead to an interesting opportunity for Black Panther 2.

When writer Ta-Nehisi Coates helped relaunch the Black Panther comic in 2016, he ended the first issue by revealing that T'Challa was struggling with how to bring Shuri back from the dead. Eventually, Shuri did return — and with powers connected to the ancestral origins of Wakanda.

Part of the unique nature of Wakanda is the blending of space-age technology and tribal mysticism. If Shuri were to die in Avengers 4 and return in a fashion similar to her comic book resurrection, it would give director Ryan Coogler a chance to explore the more mystic side of Wakanda's roots.

https://marvelmoviesnews.com/superheroes-that-will-die-in-avengers-4

So for all those clamoring for comic book accuracy and demanding Shuri take the mantle of Black Panther here's a sneak peek of what they could translate on screen.



WAKANDA IN RUINS... POSSIBLY BY FLOOD?!?



T'CHALLA AND SHURI ON THE RUN?!?



SHURI'S UNNECESSARY SACRIFICE?!?



DON'T WORRY THERE IS NO WAY SHE'LL BE ON HER KNEES... W'KABI!!!



THE CLASSIC NOBLE SACRIFICE AND OFF SCREEN SLAYINGI!!!



WHEN NEXT WE SEE SHURI SHE'S IN THE ANCESTRAL PLAIN BUT DON'T WORRY SHE IS STILL THE BLACK PANTHER. ALL THAT'S LEFT IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KILL T'CHALLA AND WHO GOT NEXT?


For all the A.G.E.N.D.A. pushers you may witness the demise of not only T'Challa but Shuri as well. It called killing two Black Panthers ("Black" heroes, "Black" characters) with one vibranium stone. Yea I said it.






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This is yet ANOTHER BRILLIANT ESSAY by Ture. This brutha must have a spin on the Old Skool Dungeons and Dragons Bucknard's Ever Full Purse [ always stayed full of loot no matter how many coins you spent from it ] https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t3wz?ADD-1E2E-Bucknards-Everfull-Purse...but instead of being filled with precious gems, jewelry and valuable items? Brother Ture's Bag of Holding is Ever Filled with DOPE ESSAYS PACKED WITH PENETRATING THOUGHTS AND BRILLIANT OBSERVATIONS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PROUD, STRONG, GENIUS LEVEL AFRAKAN MALE.

As for Marvel? They. Bet. Not. Remove T'Challa. I really don't see them doing that. Disney? Will not throw over a franchise NETTING MORE THAN $1B per picture, just to hate on US...because we'll carry our $1B to some other depiction which DOES bring us a BP like figure. 

[Battle]

Disney? Will not throw over a franchise NETTING MORE THAN $1B per picture, just to hate on US...because we'll carry our $1B to some other depiction which DOES bring us a BP like figure.

"Mm-Hmm...Yep!"

[Battle]

There is a lot (I mean, A LOT!) of speculation in the YouTube forums that the looming MARVEL Cinematic Universe storyline(s) will have something to do with Dr. Strange and those ancient locations that Killmonger wanted to plunder back in 'Black Panther';  something to do with Killmonger's original plan; that he wanted to seek immortality in order to remain king in Wakanda. 

Namor the Sub-Mariner.

Then there are the Eternals.

Possibly The Defenders.

Nova.

She-Hulk.

I mean, rumors are flying all over the place what's in store for MARVEL fans. 

I heard about the Dr. Strange possibility, but none of the others. I would personally love the Netflix Defenders to be conscripted into the MCU. And everyone else mentioned above.

But I maintain that Marvel isn't stupid enough to kill Chadwick onscreen, when they could recast T'Challa.

Y'know...

Was thinking about something last night, Supreme...


On second thought, maybe Eric seeking immortality for himself wasn't the intended goal; after Eric's reunion with his father on the Ancestral Plane, maybe the anguished experience motivated him to revive his dead father.

Perhaps, the knowledge of immortality is contained at those mystic locations to achieve this ability.

However, since T'Challa & friends neutralized Eric & W'kabi's plans, he fell back on the contingency to revive himself; thus his dying wish,

"Bury me with my ancestors in the sea..." 

Sounds plausible, no?  Yes? 

[Ture]

10 Actors Who Could Play Black Panther In The Sequel
Black Panther 2 starts shooting in July, but who will assume the mantle of the beloved MCU hero?

Let's first address that which is indisputable: no one will EVER be Chadwick Boseman. He's irreplaceable. He was a star among stars, and - in the brief time he was allowed to grace our screens - he made an indelible impact, solidifying himself as one of the most gifted actors of our generation. Boseman passing away before he had the chance to reach his zenith will surely go down as one of the most tragic untimely losses in the history of film.

Many people are wholly against the idea of casting a new actor in the role, and understandably so. He will forever be T'Challa to millions upon millions of adoring fans, no matter how Marvel decides to proceed with Black Panther going forward. That's where the question arises: how WILL Marvel decide to proceed?

Marvel VP Victoria Alonso recently shot down the idea of using a CGI double for Chadwick Boseman, so the two options they have are: allow a preexisting character to take up the mantle, or allow a new actor to carry the torch. If it's the latter, it has to be done in a way that doesn't diminish the incomparable job Chadwick Boseman did bringing the character to life.

Whether Marvel decide to recast or pass the mantle onto a pre-existing character, here are 10 actors who could play Black Panther in the sequel, some familiar to the series, others not so much.

John David Washington



John David Washington is fantastic, and that should come as no surprise to anyone. After all, he's the son of acting royalty, Denzel Washington. That's not to say he's just Denzel's son, though. John David has made his mark, and continues to do so. He's become quite the exceptional actor in his own right.

He was outstanding in BlacKkKlansman; he WOULD have made waves in Tenet, were it not for the ongoing pandemic rightly taking the world's collective attention away from literally everything else; he was a main character in the critically acclaimed HBO series, Ballers; and he's set to star opposite Zendaya in the upcoming Netflix drama, Malcolm & Marie, which - based on its release date - is positioning itself to be an Oscar contender.

When Boseman passed away and the possibility of a recast became a topic of discussion, Washington was one of the first names on people's lips, and rightly so. The man is great, and if anyone could step into that role, it's him.

Yahya Abdul-Mateen II



Yahya Abdul-Mateen II's rise has been swift, with him first making waves as Cadillac Caldwell in Netflix's musical series, The Get Down. He recently made quite the impression as Cal Abar/Dr. Manhattan in HBO's SPECTACULAR Watchmen miniseries. If you haven't seen it, please - for your own sake - watch it now. You deserve it.

Of course, he played Black Manta in Aquaman, and will likely reprise the role in the sequel. He was in The Trial of the Chicago Seven on Netflix; he's set to star in the upcoming Candyman reboot; and we'll see him in the fourth Matrix film, in which he's speculated to be playing a young Morpheus.

Black Panther would be a nice addition to that résumé.

Aldis Hodge



Aldis Hodge is yet another performer whose profile is only getting bigger and bigger. After playing N.W.A.'s MC Ren in Straight Outta Compton, he had supporting roles in the Jack Reacher sequel, Hidden Figures, and Clemency. He also had significant roles in acclaimed TV series such as Leverage; the historical drama, Turn: Washington's Spies; the Antebellum Georgia-set series, Underground; and the Showtime crime drama, City on a Hill.

His most notable film role to date was in the Blumhouse Universal Monsters film, The Invisible Man, in which he played a San Francisco detective caught up in the titular Invisible Man's machinations. He's also got a couple of things in common with two of the actors previously mentioned.

First, alongside Kingsley Ben-Adir, Hodge is ALSO set to star in the sixties-set One Night in Miami, wherein he'll play literal football MVP, Jim Brown. Second, just like Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, he's dipping his toes into the comic book world in the DC camp. He's been cast as Hawkman in the forthcoming Black Adam movie, which is sure to be exciting.

With the skill, intensity, and physicality he brings to his roles, he'd make one hell of a T'Challa.


LaKeith Stanfield



At 29 years old, LaKeith Stanfield may be a little young to play T'Challa, who was 38 when he was dusted away in Infinity War. Still, what LaKeith Stanfield lacks in age, he more than makes up for in charm, magnetism, intensity, and sheer talent.

One of the most promising actors of his generation, he never fails to captivate an audience, stealing every scene he's in. Every frame Stanfield inhabits bursts with a sense of mystique and quiet intellectualism. His roles in Short Term 12, Selma, Straight Outta Compton, and Knives Out were excellent, as was his brief but memorable bit in Get Out.

His big claims to fame, though? That'd be Sorry to Bother You. That'd be Uncut Gems. Above all else, that'd be Atlanta, wherein he stars as the eccentric Darius. That's the same Atlanta that stars the MCU's Aaron Davis, Donald Glover, as well as the MCU's Phastos, Brian Tyree Henry.

Speaking of the MCU, Short Term 12 starred Brie Larson, and was helmed by Shang-Chi director Destin Daniel Cretton. He's also set to star in the upcoming Western, The Harder They Fall, which stars fellow MCU alum Idris Elba, and future Kang the Conqueror, Jonathan Majors.

Kingsley Ben-Adir



You may not know Kingsley Ben-Adir right now, but you will soon enough. The man is slowly but surely making his presence known, and don't be surprised if you see his name being thrown around quite a bit during Oscar season. If you're a fan of Peaky Blinders, you'll recognize him as Col. Ben Younger, the good-hearted head of army intelligence who communed with the titular razor gang to combat the rising fascist threat in England.

He had a major role in the second season of The OA; he played Barack Obama in the Showtime miniseries, The Comey Rule; he had a brief but memorable role in HBO's Love Life; and he's starring as Malcolm X in the Regina King-directed Amazon drama, One Night in Miami, which is already drawing incredible praise.

Ben-Adir exudes an intelligent, collected charisma that would be perfect for T'Challa. In his early-30s, he's a bit younger than Boseman, but that's neither here nor there. The man can act, and he'd bring that regal energy that Black Panther demands. Even if he's not our new T'Challa, hopefully he'll appear in the MCU somewhere further down the line.

Full article here
https://whatculture.com/film/10-actors-who-could-play-black-panther-in-the-sequel?page=11

Its good to find that the discussion of recasting is starting to take shape. The article mentioned these five as possibilities but I edited them out for obvious reasons.

Letitia Wright
Michael B. Jordan
Winston Duke
Lupita Nyong'o
Danai Gurira

Can't say I see Kingsley Ben-Adir as T'Challa.