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Be my guest EJ I knew you guys would get my not so sugar “Coated” meaning. I always say to each his/her own, but I can’t help hoping that BP2WF significantly underperforms at the box office even though I realize Feige profit proofed it by making Namor Hispanic and instigating Black/Brown animosity. Que sera?

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Wakanda Forever plot leak reveals Marvel’s new Black Panther

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/wakanda-forever-plot-leak-reveals-marvel-s-new-black-panther/ar-AA102nP5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af0ca9120b934bd0bd515f71adfd942b

These are rumors far as it goes right, but if true, it doesn't sound great to me.
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M'Baku should not be Black Panther. That erases his own identity, and plus, he was too goofy and the comic relief in the first movie to be a legit Black Panther IMO. I also don't like the idea that Killmonger instead of T'Challa meets Shuri on the Ancestral Plain. I get why that has to be the case, but it doesn't make sense within the context of the franchise.

New Black Panther Identity Debate Sparked By Early LEGO Sets

http://screenrant.com/new-black-panther-identity-shuri-lego-sets/

A Marvel Fan Theory Predicts Killmonger Could Return in ‘Wakanda Forever’

(Thor Love & Thunder Spoilers are in article!!!!)

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/marvel-fan-theory-predicts-killmonger-153700606.html

Who Is the New Black Panther? Marvel Fans Have Theories (But We’re Hoping It’s Angela Bassett)

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-panther-marvel-fans-theories-175600399.html

Yes, We’re Still Crying Over The Wakanda Forever Trailer

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/yes-still-crying-over-wakanda-211327514.html

19 Clever Details You Might've Missed From "Black Panther" That Prove It's Still One Of The Best Marvel Movies In Existence

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/19-small-genius-black-panther-003903770.html

Oscar Predictions: Best Supporting Actress – Could Angela Bassett Finally Nab Her Second Nom for ‘Wakanda Forever’?

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/oscar-predictions-best-supporting-actress-151504241.html

Black Panther's Winston Duke Cautions Fans About Wakanda Forever Expectations

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-winston-duke-cautions-fans-mcu/

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Could Revive a Fan-Favorite Villain - But Should It?

http://www.cbr.com/should-black-panther-2-revive-killmonger-mcu/

Who’s the new Black Panther? Here are the most epic potential characters that could take up the mantle

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/who-s-the-new-black-panther-here-are-the-most-epic-potential-characters-that-could-take-up-the-mantle/ar-AA1062HY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=62a4c0e09e704313a71de53b23f9e3d8

Wakanda Forever: Who Is the Next Black Panther?

https://www.cbr.com/wakanda-forever-next-black-panther-speculation-mcu/

Shuri As The New Black Panther Limits Her Best MCU Future

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/shuri-as-the-new-black-panther-limits-her-best-mcu-future/ar-AA1075z1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=55cb252c53144e729ce8cf9542ba760f

MCU Fans Defend Shuri Following Viral Black Panther 2 Tweet

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/mcu-fans-defend-shuri-following-viral-black-panther-2-tweet/ar-AA108NFD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=30f4e0f37ec04e37ae5d8bee85cd14c7

Wakanda Forever: Why Nakia Would Make a Better Black Panther Than Shuri

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/wakanda-forever-why-nakia-would-make-a-better-black-panther-than-shuri/ar-AA108Oxh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f658b819c18749b686837e5f489507d8

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Introduced Its Own Iron Man - and It's Not Ironheart

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-aneka-midnight-angels-armor-iron-man-mcu/

Black Panther 2 Casts UFC Champion Kamaru Usman in Mystery Role

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-ufc-champion-kamaru-usman-mystery-role-marvel-mcu/

New Black Panther 2 Character Sets Up Rumored Okoye Spinoff

http://screenrant.com/black-panther-wakanda-forever-aneka-okoye-spinoff-setup/

The new 'Black Panther' trailer proves it's worth the buzz

http://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trailer-release-black-panther-wakanda-forever-rightfully-excites-fans-n1297606


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First Recast T'Challa! became a movement, now the call to Boycott Black Panther 2! Black Panther fans and enthusiasts are not to be trifled with.

Chadwick Boseman Causes Fans To Boycott Black Panther 2
By MARK MCKEE

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/chadwick-boseman-boycott-black-panther-2.html

Fans Call For Marvel, ‘Black Panther 2’ Boycott After “Biggest Attack In MCU History”
IN MARVEL

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/07/black-panther-wakanda-forever-boycott-th1/

Chadwick Boseman Fans Are Willing To Boycott 'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever'; Find Out Why
By Mashable News Staff

https://in.mashable.com/entertainment/35708/chadwick-boseman-fans-are-willing-to-boycott-black-panther-wakanda-forever-find-out-why


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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3753 on: August 01, 2022, 03:40:48 am »
Marvel Can Still Recast T'Challa While Honoring Chadwick Boseman - Here's How

http://www.cbr.com/how-marvel-recast-tchalla-honor-chadwick-boseman-mcu/

If You're Against #RecastTchalla, Watch This... |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf8rYzinrfg

Black Panther 2 Star Reveals How Shuri Copes With Losing T'Challa

http://screenrant.com/black-panther-2-tchalla-death-shuri-reaction/

In Honor Of Chadwick Boseman And The Culture, Black And Latinx Fans Are Planning To Wear All White To "Black Panther: Wakanda Forever"

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/honor-chadwick-boseman-culture-black-235842146.html

Black Panther 2 Star Breaks Down Namor and T'Challa's Relationship

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-namor-tchalla-respect-relationship-mcu/

Black Panther 2 Sets up Doctor Doom to Become the MCU's Next Thanos

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-2-sets-up-doctor-doom-to-become-the-mcu-s-next-thanos/ar-AA10j2pT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e893c57b61134da987da796fad6062d0

MCU Theory: Black Panther 2 Will Prove Namor Isn't the Villainous Mastermind

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-namor-not-villain-masterminder-doctor-doom-mcu-theory/
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3754 on: August 02, 2022, 02:38:09 pm »
Marvel Can Still Recast T'Challa While Honoring Chadwick Boseman - Here's How

http://www.cbr.com/how-marvel-recast-tchalla-honor-chadwick-boseman-mcu/

If You're Against #RecastTchalla, Watch This... |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf8rYzinrfg

Black Panther 2 Star Reveals How Shuri Copes With Losing T'Challa

http://screenrant.com/black-panther-2-tchalla-death-shuri-reaction/



Here's how they have us over a barrel: If the WAKANDA FOREVER joint doesn't slap everybody down at the box office? They'll reduce the prominence OF THE ENTIRE SERIES. We'll likely NEVER get T'Challa back, then. Or it'll be 20 years in the future, as a Disney+ equivalent. And he'll be suckafied.

Whatever chance we have of getting our T'Challa back? Lies in keepin the MCU WAKANDA strong.

Until?

We finally start releasing OUR OWN STORIES in megablockbuster style.  Just off top with zero real forethought:

THE MOORS: The Tale of The Lamtuna and Godala

HASHASHIN: THE GREAT ASSASSINS [ Yes, I know about their name coming from the Hashish they allegedly used to be granted "visions" and "acute mental focus", but the ASSASSINS part is what gets butts in seats ]

PTAH-SETI, LAND OF THE BOW

PTAH-NETJER [ MISCALLED "PUNT" ]: LAND OF GOD, ANCESTOR OF KEMET

SHAHZADA KHOJA BARBAK: AFRICAN RULER OF INDIA

WARRIOR QUEEN OF AKSUM

KUSH THE UNCONQUERED: THE BATTLE OF ADWA

HIGH JOHN THE CONQUEROR.

THE STORY OF ANANSI

OYA

QORI KANDAKE AMANIRENAS

THE RETURN OF OGUN

DAUGHTER OF SEKHMET

NGANGA NZUMBI


etc etc etc

We need to entirely. 100%. Leave these colonizers alone and absolutely develop our own stories. We have INCREDIBLE mythologies, UNSURPASSED BY ANY PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET. We can even point out how their stories and superheroes were stolen from us and our heroes, stories, etc. as we tell the REAL stories and get the REAL truth of our potential blockbuster stories out there.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3755 on: August 06, 2022, 12:23:41 pm »
Talking about Representation, Black Panther 2 Wakanda Forever & Black Men in the MCU | NERDSoul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8BTs3Nq5J8

Pros and Cons of Wakanda Forever flopping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzgZIPMfiY
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3756 on: August 08, 2022, 07:35:52 pm »
Talking about Representation, Black Panther 2 Wakanda Forever & Black Men in the MCU | NERDSoul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8BTs3Nq5J8

Pros and Cons of Wakanda Forever flopping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzgZIPMfiY


We are absolutely DONE FOR if Wakanda Forever flops [ which it won't: we can't hate, yall...Coogler crafted a monster that'll definitely pull the heartstrings and make the waterfalls pour like Warrior Falls in Wakanda ] .

However. Definitively No T'Challa? No REAL Black Panther. You can put anyone except KAL-EL as SUPERMAN, and people will still default to KAL-EL AS SUPERMAN. You can default to anyone NOT the one and only BRUCE WAYNE as BATMAN and people will STILL DEFAULT TO BRUCE WAYNE AS THE CAPED CRUSADER.

Because others...including my favorite, Nightwing...might at best be A BATMAN.

But Bruce? Is "THE GODDAMN BATMAN". And that's it.

Shuri? May be A BLACK PANTHER.

But T'CHALLA IS THEE BLACK PANTHER. THEE KING OF THE DEAD. THEE GREATEST, MOST POWERFUL, MOST BRILLIANT BLACK PANTHER OF ALL TIME. And that's it.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3757 on: August 08, 2022, 09:13:29 pm »
Marvel and the anti Recast crowd would like to spin it as though he is just the current holder and "Tons of other's" have held the mantle. But when you ask WHO they are and what stories do they have? Cricket's

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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3758 on: August 09, 2022, 10:09:38 am »
Those responsible for the MCU - BP need to simply admit they made a mistake in killing off T'Challa the Black Panther. Admit all involved were deeply grief stricken thus leading to an hastily premature and incorrect decision.



Whether Black Panther Wakanda Forever breaks records or under performs, T'Challa the Black Panther will be here. They can make his name small; make the film women centered; throw in the prerequisite LGBTQ characters and love scene; introduce new characters and via bait and switch make the movie focus on them... all this and more and in the end... the primary interest remains grounded in T'Challa the Black Panther and how they handle him.

Fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther need to realize the influence they wield and discontinue the practice of letting the comic and film industries and the A.G.E.N.D.A. pushers continue to confuse the issue. Despite migrating his genius and talents to other characters; weaponizing the mantle concept to be used against him; and killing him off in his upcoming sequel, T'Challa the Black Panther is here to stay.



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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3759 on: August 09, 2022, 11:59:47 am »
Disney/Marvel would never admit that, and only some of the cast might if Wakanda Forever flops (which I don't think it will). Such a deal makes me think of the Terminator: Dark Fate director's Comic Con admission about the failure of his film. I don't think we would see that with Marvel, and if we do, it would be years perhaps after the film is out and is a largely recognized failure.

Repeat, I don't think the film will flop, but I could see it underperforming. I don't know how much repeat business it's going to get. And the thing is, even if it hits a billion it could still be seen as a disappointment like The Rise of Skywalker was.

The vibe is different for this film, the fandom is less united, less excited overall for it. And the MCU of 2022 is not the MCU of 2018. Infinity War/Endgame took a lot of bloom off the rose and they've been flailing a bit after. I imagine the opening weekend for Wakanda Forever will be monstrous, but then there could be a drop off. Even if that happens, I don't expect much honest reporting from the media. Hollywood needs Wakanda Forever to be a hit for the overall health of the movie business and they will pull out all the stops-including vilifying black male moviegoers/fans-to get people into the theaters. Wakanda Forever, if not already, will be a racial loyalty test.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3760 on: August 09, 2022, 01:34:22 pm »
It would behoove Disney/Marvel to admit such Emperorjones, that way they can course correct and work toward assuaging fans and enthusiasts' concerns and disappointments.

I say again, whether Black Panther Wakanda Forever breaks records or under performs is not the salient point. A billion dollars in ticket sales does not necessarily ensure a film was a good narrative for its titular character. Besides making near or more than a billion dollars is very formulaic, I cite Captain Marvel, who was sandwiched between Marvel's two highest grossing films; Aquaman came out at Christmas time with Into the Spiderverse being his only real competition; and Dr. Strange - Multiverse of Madness was a kind of sequel/follow up to No Way Home and Wandavision.

Fans and enthusiasts who want to see Black Panther Wakanda Forever make a billion and break records is because they see it as part of T'Challa the Black Panther's franchise. For those fearing Black Panther Wakanda Forever under performing foreshadows the end of T'Challa the Black Panther's franchise should ask themselves why they feel that way. Superman and X Men have had movies fail and no one becried the end of their respective franchises. T'Challa the Black Panther's franchise's solo and only film released as of this writing is the sixth highest grossing superhero film of all time being succeeded by only the four Avenger films and the Wall Crawler's No Way Home.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_superhero_films

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Repeat, I don't think the film will flop, but I could see it underperforming. I don't know how much repeat business it's going to get. And the thing is, even if it hits a billion it could still be seen as a disappointment like The Rise of Skywalker was.

The vibe is different for this film, the fandom is less united, less excited overall for it. And the MCU of 2022 is not the MCU of 2018. Infinity War/Endgame took a lot of bloom off the rose and they've been flailing a bit after. I imagine the opening weekend for Wakanda Forever will be monstrous, but then there could be a drop off. Even if that happens, I don't expect much honest reporting from the media. Hollywood needs Wakanda Forever to be a hit for the overall health of the movie business and they will pull out all the stops-including vilifying black male moviegoers/fans-to get people into the theaters. Wakanda Forever, if not already, will be a racial loyalty test.

Quoted for all that truth.

As I stated previously fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther need to realize the influence they wield and discontinue the practice of letting the comic and film industries and the A.G.E.N.D.A. pushers continue to confuse the issue. What does it say about so called black people letting a movie company and their A.G.E.N.D.A. cohorts dictate the terms that define racial loyalty or how to spend their entertainment dollars?

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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3761 on: August 09, 2022, 03:04:08 pm »
Honestly, I don’t think it behooves Disney to admit they’ve made a mistake, because that has yet to be proven when it comes to the bottom line. This gambit of theirs just might work, and if the film hits a billion and definitely exceeds the box office take of the first Black Panther, that will only reinforce the idea that they made the right decision and the audience cares (or cared) more about Wakanda than T’Challa the Black Panther.

Further, once Shuri or whatever female gets the mantle is ensconced, that character will be harder than a tick to extract from the franchise, especially if they have a billion-dollar film under them, the first black female superhero to do so. That’s the new history that we will be told we must protect at all costs or else black women and girls will have no representation or no one to look up to. All the reasons and rationalizations being used now to justify expelling T’Challa from the franchise will be turned around to defend keeping Shuri or a female Black Panther.

We will hear less talk about how much people were into Wakanda than they are a female BP. About the only changes I could see if this happens is that the door will be open to use the franchise to set up other marginalized or “marginalized” groups, and before even the black feminists know it, Black Panther will be People of Color Panther or Diverse Panther.

The gleeful eagerness to eliminate a black male starring role for this franchise is only the precursor to eliminating a black female starring role and the roles of black people all together in this franchise. I am waiting to see the talk about how Black Panther wasn’t made a success because of black people or “just because” of black people, about how Black Panther has a “diverse” fanbase, and how we can’t claim ownership, to do so-to even think it-reeks of “entitlement”, or racism (reverse racism), xenophobia, or the most dreaded "toxicity."

To me, there’s no clear right or wrong when it comes to Disney, outside of what affects the bottom line ultimately. Certainly, they want to push their agenda, and even if that fails, I still don’t see them admitting it. Think of how many agenda-laden films and series have failed or underwhelmed so far, but Hollywood is determined to keep pushing more of them on the audience. Wakanda Forever flopping or seriously underperforming will not allow them to spin it away so easily, but that doesn’t mean they won’t still dig in their heels and admit they were wrong or that the fanbase for T’Challa is bigger than they would have us believe. So I feel Disney will be torn between wanting to get money but also the agenda, and sometimes the agenda wins out, sometimes the money, but IMO they will attempt to make the money without rejecting the agenda, or paring it back to make it more tolerable.

Lucasfilm has yet to admit their mistakes, though they have made some changes to better accommodate disconsolate fans. Star Trek has done so as well, but to their credit, they were never as snippy with their fans (outside of cracking down on fan films) as Disney Star Wars was, or the Hollywood media defending them.

It is disheartening to see how much influence we have given Disney, and that’s on us, myself included. We have black characters created by black creatives that barely anyone knows about or puts a lot of value in. There’s no reason that Black Hollywood or music moguls can’t get money together and get some of these projects on screens big or small. If we had movies based on characters from Milestone, Konkret, Advent, Darkstorm, Godhood, 4th Wall, Diverse, Impound, Urban Style, PunxofRage, Powerverse, YouNeek, etc., or characters like Icon, Purge, Aceblade, Almighty Street Team, Dreadlocks, or Noble, etc., I think the wound of not recasting T’Challa wouldn’t hurt as much. And if we had more projects with black female superheroes, from Livewire, Ant, Megawoman, Sankofa Guard, to Sister Circle X, there would be less clamoring-perhaps-to cannibalize the Black Panther franchise or any black male-led franchise really-in favor of black females. Now, the hardcore feminists would never tire of that, but I think their arguments would hold less water among the masses if there were lots of black female characters doing their thing in movies and television.

And there’s little excuse-outside of general ignorance-that we aren’t backing more of these books out there. I’m not saying all of them are good, but neither are Marvel, DC, or the other white-owned comic book corporations, all the time either. But we are conditioned to keep going back to them and demanding-begging-for better representation while too often ignoring or disparaging the black creatives who are already doing that. It’s shameful that we have given so much power over our imaginations to Kevin Feige.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... Fans Cry Boycott!
« Reply #3762 on: August 10, 2022, 09:52:10 am »
Disney's bottom line is not in question... yet. With a world wide cumulative box office gross of $27,315,589,760 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchises) they can coast awhile. Killing T'Challa the Black Panther is a mistake whether BP Wakanda Forever makes a billion or just half. The gambit is how many more Latino and Latina; Mexican and other Hispanics they can bring to the theater. The big gambit is will the Black Panther audience indulge in bringing in new, non-Wakandan characters to center upon so to build their new franchises. The bigger gambit is will the Black Panther audience tolerate the bait and switch when they discover they are watching a stealth Namor movie focusing equally if not more so on Talocan as it does Wakanda.

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Further, once Shuri or whatever female gets the mantle is ensconced, that character will be harder than a tick to extract from the franchise, especially if they have a billion-dollar film under them, the first black female superhero to do so.

That’s the new history that we will be told we must protect at all costs or else black women and girls will have no representation or no one to look up to. All the reasons and rationalizations being used now to justify expelling T’Challa from the franchise will be turned around to defend keeping Shuri or a female Black Panther.


Interesting. Four years ago T'Challa, a "black" male, was ensconced with the mantle; had over a billion dollar hit; won 3 Oscars; and was a world wide cultural phenomenon; not to mention the first "black" male superhero and yet here we are.

Again, I ask why are they being permitted to dictate the new history? Any true fan, enthusiast or "black" person with any sense of peoplehood can see through this poorly guised misdirection. And if an answer is required for T'Challa remaining THE Black Panther and Shuri or whomever else being a female Black Panther I will give one.


Cinematically speaking if MCU T'Challa the Black Panther has made transition then he should become King of the Wakandan Dead. This presents an opportunity to show T'Challa the Black Panther going on a quest in the afterlife to become king once again.





T'Challa the Black Panther's trials and challenges in the Wakanda of ancestors and ancestresses could showcase untapped narratives and story followups. He could meet, confer and contest with previous historical Black Panthers. Via sacred ritual T'Challa the Black Panther and Shuri could commune and visit one another. Through some twisted sorcery Klaw could manifest as his energy being thus presenting another foe to vanquish.

His arch adversary could once again be Killmonger who also resides in the ancestral plain. T'Challa gets back his advisor Zuri. Not to mention that his father T'Chaka is there as is Killmonger's dad N'Joba. No wonder there aren't any men in Black Panther Wakanda Forever they're all dead. I could build a conspiracy theory around that but the HEF faithful can do that for themselves.

The potential love interest would be staggering. T'Challa the Black Panther being involved with historical Wakandan women would unleash a floodgate of stories. T'Challa the Black Panther could revisit the original Dora Milaje concept when there were only two and they were meant to be betrothed to the king.

T'Challa the Black Panther - King of the Dead is the way to go forward. It can be introduced in Black Panther 3 and made into a Disney+ drama, fantasy series. This way everybody wins. It honors Chadwick Boseman by having the cinematic character he worked so hard to bring to life, all while heroically suffering the ravages of cancer, live on. While both character and actor have died this allows them both to be immortalized and live in a new way and continue to inspire generations to come. The faithful fans and enthusiasts get T'Challa the Black Panther as king, genius, master tactician and strategist, mystic and a man who finds love and romance with some very interesting Wakandan women. And finally the woke have their female driven Wakanda Forever narrative led by Shuri and other guest stars being less pestered. 


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We will hear less talk about how much people were into Wakanda than they are a female BP. About the only changes I could see if this happens is that the door will be open to use the franchise to set up other marginalized or “marginalized” groups, and before even the black feminists know it, Black Panther will be People of Color Panther or Diverse Panther.


How do you think the "black global audience, fans and enthusiasts will respond to such? For it is that response that will determine the course of events. Do you think the "black global audience, fans and enthusiasts want to see Starbucks, pizzerias, Walmarts and CVS in Wakanda? Watch Rupal's Drag Race being streamed live from the palace while Lil Nas does a video shoot at Warrior Falls. Good luck with that.

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The gleeful eagerness to eliminate a black male starring role for this franchise is only the precursor to eliminating a black female starring role and the roles of black people all together in this franchise. I am waiting to see the talk about how Black Panther wasn’t made a success because of black people or “just because” of black people, about how Black Panther has a “diverse” fanbase, and how we can’t claim ownership, to do so-to even think it-reeks of “entitlement”, or racism (reverse racism), xenophobia, or the most dreaded "toxicity."


Well said. This is definitely on the A.G.E.N.D.A.'s things to do list.

Disney/Marvel admitting that the killing of T'Challa the Black Panther was mistake would only help them. If they don't see value in doing such fine, their loss. T'Challa the Black Panther hasn't been around for fifty six years to just slowly fade away under the weight of the A.G.E.N.D.A. This too shall pass.

We spoke of gambits. In the first paragraph I stated "The bigger gambit is will the Black Panther audience tolerate the bait and switch when they discover they are watching a stealth Namor movie focusing equally if not more so on Talocan as it does Wakanda.

Apparently the fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther with their Recast T'Challa and Boycott Wakanda Forever movements has Marvel shook enough to work to ensure more "brown" butts in those theater seats.


"Now, ahead of the movie's November release, a new update may indicate that more scenes of Namor will be added to Wakanda Forever."
https://thedirect.com/article/black-panther-2-reshoots-comic-con

"Wakanda Forever has already gone through periods of reshoots. However, Huerta suggested to W Radio Mexico that the process is still ongoing for the cast and crew. Huerta describes the reshoots as adding 'little missing pieces' to the film."
https://movieweb.com/black-panther-2-required-reshoots-following-comic-con-panel/

Downplaying the reshoots is tactically advantageous.

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It is disheartening to see how much influence we have given Disney, and that’s on us, myself included. We have black characters created by black creatives that barely anyone knows about or puts a lot of value in. There’s no reason that Black Hollywood or music moguls can’t get money together and get some of these projects on screens big or small. If we had movies based on characters from Milestone, Konkret, Advent, Darkstorm, Godhood, 4th Wall, Diverse, Impound, Urban Style, PunxofRage, Powerverse, YouNeek, etc., or characters like Icon, Purge, Aceblade, Almighty Street Team, Dreadlocks, or Noble, etc., I think the wound of not recasting T’Challa wouldn’t hurt as much. And if we had more projects with black female superheroes, from Livewire, Ant, Megawoman, Sankofa Guard, to Sister Circle X, there would be less clamoring-perhaps-to cannibalize the Black Panther franchise or any black male-led franchise really-in favor of black females. Now, the hardcore feminists would never tire of that, but I think their arguments would hold less water among the masses if there were lots of black female characters doing their thing in movies and television.


What are you saying brother? Do you want "black" people to build something for themselves? Work in their own best interest and empower one another? Support "black" owned businesses, institutions and universities? Play on sports teams that are "black" owned? Invest in "black" owned banks, mortgage companies and lending institutions? Use "black" manufactured computers and mobiles? Or is just comic books?

Seriously though, you said "We have black characters created by black creatives that barely anyone knows about or puts a lot of value in." This holds true in many fields.




The internet owes much of its existence to Philip Emeagwali, a Nigerian Afrakan who created the formula that made it possible for multiple computers to communicate with one another at once.



Mark E. Dean is an American Afrakan inventor and a computer engineer. Dean was part of the team that developed the interior architecture (ISA systems bus) that enables multiple devices, such as modems and printers, to be connected to personal computers.



The Inye is a mobile internet device invented in Nigeria. It gives you access to the internet; it allows you to play media files and watch movies.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-18895366



Thinner and less cumbersome than a notepad, the Way-C is easy to carry. Running on Android Gingerbread system with a 1,2 GHz CPU, the Way-C fits both personal and professional usage. With an affordable price - this has nothing to do with low cost products – the tablet has got a 7-inch multitouch screen, with a resolution of 800x480, and run Flash player , HD movies, 3D games, and has 6-hour autonomy.
https://theworld.org/stories/2012-01-30/way-c-tablet-first-african-ipad-rival-goes-sale-congo

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And there’s little excuse-outside of general ignorance-that we aren’t backing more of these books out there. I’m not saying all of them are good, but neither are Marvel, DC, or the other white-owned comic book corporations, all the time either. But we are conditioned to keep going back to them and demanding-begging-for better representation while too often ignoring or disparaging the black creatives who are already doing that. It’s shameful that we have given so much power over our imaginations to Kevin Feige.


Maintaining our cultural integrity is both an art and science that must be taught and practiced. Keeping it strictly comic books... as children, we (my cousins and friends) read all types of superhero comics but were encouraged to seek out aspirational Afrakan characters that empowered our imagination and inspired us to be our best selves. Black Panther was the only one who fulfilled some of that criteria. Where he failed we compensated. We made up our own Black Panther stories and corrected the shortcomings. We made up our own heroes. Our parents introduced us to these.









We later discovered this.




All this to affirm that we never relinquished our Afrakan, cultural, creative, super heroic responsibilities. I learned and continue to practice. I post here at a Afrakan website. I discuss Afrakan topics mostly centered around a fictitious Afrakan superhero Black Panther. I even started writing Black Panther fan fiction here in the thread BP710: THE PROTOCOLS and I'm not alone in this endeavor. I cite such luminaries as Supreme Illuminati and CvilleWakandan. I think that you and most if not all who post in the HEF Black Panther forum offer invaluable insight and camaraderie on the topics discussed. It is here that we demonstrate the lack of power Kevin Feige has on our individual and collective imaginations.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever
« Reply #3763 on: August 10, 2022, 10:42:26 am »
‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ reportedly undergoing reshoots

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-wakanda-forever-reportedly-undergoing-reshoots/ar-AA10vawN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=abf75ea2879341868c3191dd22d990c2

Black Panther 2 Theory Reveals The Real Villain (It's Not Namor!)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/black-panther-2-theory-reveals-the-real-villain-it-s-not-namor/ar-AA10yvuR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c39c9a386c7c4bc587dcecd0d88bc133

Marvel's Black Panther: Dreams of Wakanda Gets Official Release Date

http://www.cbr.com/marvel-black-panther-dreams-of-wakanda-official-release-date/

Black Panther Already Had a Namor Before Wakanda Forever

http://www.cbr.com/mbaku-namor-before-black-panther-wakanda-forever-mcu/

Cineworld Says Movie Theaters Could Be In Trouble Until Black Panther Sequel Is Released

http://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/cineworld-says-movie-theaters-could-231551953.html

Major movie theater chain admits the industry could be in trouble until 'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever' is released in November

http://www.yahoo.com/news/major-movie-theater-chain-admits-180214284.html
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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever
« Reply #3764 on: August 23, 2022, 08:46:37 am »
Black Panther 2 Merch Offers First Look at Ironheart's Final Armor

http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-2-merch-first-look-ironheart-final-armor/