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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3810 on: October 21, 2022, 08:49:39 am »
New Trailer!



Marvel Studios’ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever | Long Live Wakanda
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So far they are 3 and 0 for trailers. It is truly a shame that T'Challa the Black Panther is not being showcased. He is really needed badly as they are hyping Namor as this mega threat. Shuri whispers "he's coming." M'Baku exclaims "His people do not call him general or king.”  “They call him K’uk’ulkan, the Feather Serpent God. Killing him will risk eternal war.” Really.

These are the people who invited Thanos to their doorstep. Flood Wakanda?!? How? They have a force field. Oh I get it, Namor's tech people disable the generator. Whatever. The ships attacking Namor look as if they don't even get a hit on him before he destroys them. M'Baku looks as if he is about to get ragdolled by the Feather Serpent God who surprisingly has vibranium. Everything that made the Black Panther and his world unique, powerful and respected is being given away.

And somehow Black Panther fans and enthusiasts are supposed to be accepting of this? Never. Ironically enough it is Namor who put some respect on T'Challa's name when he states "without the Black Panther... Wakanda will fall." Truer words were never spoken.



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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3811 on: October 22, 2022, 04:22:26 pm »
New Trailer!



Marvel Studios’ Black Panther: Wakanda Forever | Long Live Wakanda
https://youtu.be/_cCrp8gDsVA


So far they are 3 and 0 for trailers. It is truly a shame that T'Challa the Black Panther is not being showcased. He is really needed badly as they are hyping Namor as this mega threat. Shuri whispers "he's coming." M'Baku exclaims "His people do not call him general or king.”  “They call him K’uk’ulkan, the Feather Serpent God. Killing him will risk eternal war.” Really.

These are the people who invited Thanos to their doorstep. Flood Wakanda?!? How? They have a force field. Oh I get it, Namor's tech people disable the generator. Whatever. The ships attacking Namor look as if they don't even get a hit on him before he destroys them. M'Baku looks as if he is about to get ragdolled by the Feather Serpent God who surprisingly has vibranium. Everything that made the Black Panther and his world unique, powerful and respected is being given away.

And somehow Black Panther fans and enthusiasts are supposed to be accepting of this? Never. Ironically enough it is Namor who put some respect on T'Challa's name when he states "without the Black Panther... Wakanda will fall." Truer words were never spoken.



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Here's the thing, to add onto the excellent comment you made above, Brother Ture:

WAKANDA BY ITSELF WILL MERK EVERYONE. EVERY. ONE. EVEN WITHOUT THE BLACK PANTHER. Literally everyone in Wakanda is what The Outworld would call high ranking geniuses IN EVERY HUMAN ENDEAVOR and all of them. ALL OF THEM. Would be considered to be NO LESS than Olympic class athletes IN EVERYTHING. In fact? Every one of them can outperform the current pinnacle OLYMPIC athletes. Why is that? Because all of the Wakandans have access to low to moderate grade "hysterical strength" as NORMAL strength, and what others would call "peak flow state genius" in EVERYTHING is STANDARD for them. They're not mutants, they're practically a nation of demigods. They can go toe to toe with Asgard. Olympus. Svartelfheim. Whoever whenever whatever. Jason Aaron was wrong to think that Wakandans couldn't go heads up with the very best of the best that The Skrulls have. Wakanda? Would  Wakandan pimpsmack the shapeshift right out of The Skrulls.  The people of Wakanda? And Wakanda itself? Is THAT exceptional.

Which means that Damisa Sarka is even more incredible.

Do any of you remember that old skool role playing game called MARVEL ROLE PLAYING?




The Black Panther. Without need to resorting to "superpowers". Is pinnacle human across the board. Not just peak. PINNACLE. He possesses ALL THE ULTIMATE SKILLS. As RH said? T'Challa is smarter than Reed Richards, no less rich than Asgard at its peak, will mudstomp Steve Rogers Captain America and Karnak...and I contend that he'll beat both The Celestial Madonna AND Moondragon in hand to hand throwdowns. I steadfastly maintain that he has the skill to go h2h vs Hercules AND The Hulk. T'Challa could deal with Stephen Strange. At Strange's BEST. If needed. Without the need to resort to superpowers or cop the "main thing" of other characters to do so.

T'Challa doesn't need armor, although he has numerous iterations of armors. T'Challa isn't Iron Panther.

T'Challa doesn't have to be a sorcerer to go toe to toe with Strange. He's not Sorcerer Panther.

He is, among other things: "...shujaa mkuu wa chui aliyetiwa mafuta. Mfalme wa wafu. mmoja wa wakubwa wa ubinadamu..." aka "the premier anointed leopard warrior. King of the dead. One of the ultimate expressions of humanity..."


He embodies the pinnacle skills, knowledge, intellect, abilities, gifts, talents, peerless prowess, endless spiritual refinement, cultural cultivations, and all of the combined unblunted unequalled unsurpassed supremacies the lore of Alkebulan grants its most outstanding children. He is a PINNACLE expression of the kind of ultracool that literally spawns omniversal admiration, the incarnation of confounding yet infinitely intriguing mystery, massively renowned, feared and respected for his supreme smarts, sublime spirituality, peerless physical prowess, unending unshakeable confidence, near flawless foresight and...oftentimes overlooked...truly extraordinary love.

Ridley is writing AGENDA SIMP IN BLACKFACE. Stop it, fool.  We? Are not here for none of that.

We? Are here for T'CHALLA THE BLACK PANTHER.
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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER - New Posters and New Trailer!
« Reply #3812 on: October 24, 2022, 12:43:57 pm »
Rumor: Marvel Scaling Back ‘Black Panther: Wakanda Forever’ Merch Plans Out Of Concern That Sequel’s Lack Of T’Challa May Alienate Black Male Audiences



By Spencer Baculi

Though titular African super hero’s ‘brand’ has done gangbusters for Marvel’s financial back end ever since his debut, a new rumor suggests that the studio is scaling back its merchandising plans for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever out of concern that the sequel’s focus on the franchise’s female characters could partially alienate the character’s key consumer demographic of black men.

Following the untimely passing of original Black Panther actor Chadwick Boseman, a major topic of discussion among both fans and analysts was just how Disney and Marvel would tackle the future of Wakanda’s resident hero without the franchise’s star. Yet, with the slow trickling out of the film’s promotional material, it soon became evident that the sequel would center around T’challa’s female allies, including his sister Shuri (Letita Wright), Dora Milaje leader Okoye (Danai Gurira), his former love interest Nakia (Lupita Nyong’o), and their newfound companion Riri Williams (Dominique Thorne).

However, despite the Black Panther ‘brand’ having become one of Marvel’s biggest, particularly among black audiences, it appears that Wakanda Forever’s lack of a male lead – and to a certain extent Boseman’s performance specifically – has the studio taking a far more cautious approach to the film’s merchandising.



According to alleged insider sources whose insights were relayed directly to Bounding Into Comics by entertainment reporter and insider Valliant Renegade, “many licensed product manufacturers have cut back on their Black Panther products vs their more standard mapping for their categories with respect to what they would usually do with a property with an upcoming “over a billion dollar” exposure push.” “This means either limiting [Wakanda Forever’s] line depth (less skus) and/or smaller production runs (which entail higher per unit costs, but reduces inventory exposure),” he added.

Surprisingly, though he admitted that “those with the colder feet are those who bring the most value-added to the product category [such as action figure manufacturers,” Valliant Renegade then revealed that this fear even extends to “categories that rely on printed visuals to deliver the license (generally cheaper, with less upfront cost loading)”. "Recent projects have shown lowered returns, so the lower volume business case will likely be the most profitable once costs are all in,” he said. “In other words, should there be a huge merch breakthrough (which can vary significantly by category), well, manufacturers will just chase it”



As to why Marvel was expressing such caution with Wakanda Forever‘s merchandising, Valliant Renegade turned to supposed focus group findings and explained that the company’s fears stemmed from the fact that “Black Panther is not a ‘property’ or a ‘mantle’,” but rather “a very specific character” whose “appeal is very ‘male’, even more than usual.”

“This seems especially true with black men,” he highlighted, clarifying that a more intricate focus study would be needed to confirm this observation as fact. The perception of the hero is not only from [his solo] movie, but is the sum of all his onscreen exposure,” Valliant Renegade continued, sadly noting that “comics don’t score here.”



"Black men have the strongest relationship with the character, with an interesting, strong pop on the father/son dynamic,” he said. “Black men identify with the Black King, strong male figure. Word association: noble strength. How the character holds himself. They admire that in the hero; inspiring to them.” To this end, the insider detailed that “the above carries over to fathers and sons”, as “seeing the movies was a great bonding [experience] for many black men and their sons.”



In ‘mom’ groups this came up as ‘my husband/boyfriend/ex’ took their son to the see movies with the character in it, sometimes twice,” he said. “These outings would sometimes include a detour to a toy retailer on the way home.”

“So not only would black men see Black Panther entertainment, sometimes multiple times with different groups of friends, but would also take sons, nephews, etc. to them,” Valliant Renegade added. “Now that’s how you rack-up multiple viewings. Some very nice focus stories to hear right there.”

Interestingly, as to the ongoing debate of whether or not Marvel should recast the role of Black Panther following Boseman’s death, Valliant Rengade revealed that “many don’t know that Mr. Bosman has passed, and those that do are totally for a recast because it’s about the character.”

“‘They recast Batman and James Bond all the time,'” he quoted of one alleged focus group attendee. “Totally spontaneous, zero overthinking. With respect to Mr. Bosman, all accord him due reverence.”



Noting that the superficial nature of these focus groups results were the result of analysts having “only looked at the character as part of the overall Avengers IP landscape”, Valliant Renegade ulltimately asserted that “The key thing though was all the male elements.”

“Black men are even less likely to buy female-IP driven merch for either themselves or their sons – fact,” he informed us.

Despite this demographic mismatch, Marvel still reportedly has “hope that the upcoming Black Panther film, while female focused, won’t be [written in a way] so as to not deliver on the above.”

However, to this end, Valliant Renegade concluded his report to us with the particularly interesting observation that “from what we’ve seen, those who know the key story beats, while keeping their NDA’d thoughts to themselves, are among those proceeding with the most caution.”

Fans can find out the results of Marvel’s Boseman-less roll of the dice when Black Panther: Wakanda Forever hits theaters on November 11th.


https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/10/21/rumor-marvel-scaling-back-black-panther-wakanda-forever-merch-plans-out-of-concern-that-sequels-lack-of-tchalla-may-alienate-black-male-audiences/


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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER - World Premiere last night!
« Reply #3816 on: October 27, 2022, 04:45:53 pm »


"BlackPantherWakandaForever entertains but spends way too much time setting up future MCU projects and coping with its non-fiction tragedy. It also often feels like a mix-and-match of prior (frankly inferior) Marvel movies. Works best when it's just allowed to be Black Panther 2."

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Not mention Shuri's (or some other female) new skill set...





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From the new teasers and trailers Wakanda Forever looks clumsy, cluttered with failing attempts at bad comedy. The new female Black Panther costume has way too much going on. A big fall from the previous two habits worn by T'Challa the Black Panther.

E-man's face say it all.



E-man's Black Panther Wakanda Forever Spoiler-Free Reaction - Right Out The Theater
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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3817 on: October 28, 2022, 08:36:53 am »


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A lot of you guys won’t like Wakanda Forever. To be honest don’t even take your kids. They won’t be able to sit and watch this lol it way to long some boring parts Namor is dope….. everything else is meh

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So in other words, nowhere near as good as the first. Big surprise.

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No even close lol…. Depressing

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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever feels like a war movie. It's emotional, heavy, intense & phenomenal. Namor is an incredible & powerful villain. #WakandaForever focuses on grief, loss, & vengeance. You aren't ready for the Marvel logo & mid credit. It honors Chadwick perfectly.

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Another reason I’m so impressed with #BlackPantherWakandaForever is #RyanCoogler had the impossible task of trying to make a sequel without #ChadwickBoseman & make it feel respectful but also keep the franchise going and he hit a home run. Going to be HUGE hit for MarvelStudios.

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I saw #WakandaForever and trying to hold space to really gather my thoughts. Will share more soon but for now I will say it is a beautiful depiction of how grief and love co-exist, and the healing in the depths of some of our greatest pain. #BlackPanther

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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3818 on: October 28, 2022, 09:41:11 am »
Chadwick Boseman's Family Was Consulted on Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chadwick-bosemans-family-consulted-black-003000586.html

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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3819 on: October 28, 2022, 07:14:48 pm »
Chadwick Boseman's Family Was Consulted on Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chadwick-bosemans-family-consulted-black-003000586.html


Doesn't say much with regards to how they felt about the direction Marvel was taking in killing off T'Challa the Black Panther. Is there supposed to be some implication they were supportive of it or just chose to remain silent or off the record about such?
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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3820 on: October 28, 2022, 08:50:21 pm »
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So in spite of this...





and this...







not to mention this...



we have to suffer this?







Hope Shuri exacts the much needed payback.



How it should have been.



With all the King's men...



and one punch man.








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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER
« Reply #3821 on: October 30, 2022, 09:27:23 pm »




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While I am unaware of who Straw Hat Goofy is, (save for the fact he preceded Chadwick's brother in being interviewed by E-Man) his comments echo much of what is off about the some of the viewing public's opinions on matters concerning Black Panther. He said "plus Doom, Namor and Wakanda got history." Well let's be clear, Straw Hat Goofy didn't say Latveria, Atlantis and Wakanda got history... he stated  Doom, Namor and substituted Wakanda for T'Challa. This is becoming as trite as it is insulting. T'Challa the Black Panther, Dr Doom and Namor have history. How often is it stated that Latveria did anything out side of Doom's influence? Same applies to Namor concerning Atlantis. Their countries are nothing more than extensions of themselves, as is Wakanda to the Black Panther. That is what supporting characters and locations are supposed to do, serve the main character.

Next E-Man has a moment to speak with Derrick Boseman (brother of Chadwick Boseman) and decides to ask Derrick a question that allows only a one word answer. No it was not about recasting. it was instead a query on how Derrick was feeling before seeing this movie. It was disappointing that E-Man chose this question rather than set up an opportunity to talk to Derrick some time later and get some more commentary and insight from Derrick on the recast T'Challa movement.

No doubt after seeing the movie he remained spoiler free and professional while wearing his emotions on his sleeve. He even went back some time later for a second viewing and stated he was still conflicted as they fused real life trauma into fiction. E-Man's final words during an interview with fellow You Tuber Cosmic Wonder stated they better build the hell out of the ending they showed.

We shall see.




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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER E-Man's Post Viewing Comments
« Reply #3822 on: October 31, 2022, 08:25:26 am »
I think e-man handled the question to Derrick perfectly, he already knows what Derricks thoughts were and I don't think that was the time to talk about it. Ultimately, what's done is done. They seem to be going with the
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angle and my stance on WF still hasn't changed. I care about T'Challa, of he isn't in the MCU then im not watching it. Unless MAYBE THAT angle pans out (I'm not holding my breath) then I may come back but, all I can hope for is other medium's step up and actually honor Chad by showcasing T'Challa elsewhere. Fire Ridley, and get a BP T'Challa centric game and cartoon going [/b]


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Re: BLACK PANTHER WAKANDA FOREVER E-Man's Post Viewing Comments
« Reply #3824 on: November 01, 2022, 04:09:26 pm »
Chadwick Boseman's Wife Simone Reflects on His Cancer Battle in First Interview Since Actor's Death

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chadwick-bosemans-wife-simone-reflects-175733715.html

CNN Says Wakanda Could Be A Blueprint For Future Cities

http://www.yahoo.com/news/cnn-says-wakanda-could-blueprint-173822475.html

'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever' Producer Confirms Film Will Not Feature End Credits Scene

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/black-panther-wakanda-forever-producer-033245535.html

Lupita Nyong’o Was Initally ‘Frustrated’ Reading the ‘Wakanda Forever’ Script

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/lupita-nyong-o-initally-frustrated-145400801.html

Ta-Nehisi Coates to host ‘Black Panther’ podcast, featuring interviews with the film’s cast, director

http://www.yahoo.com/news/ta-nehisi-coates-host-black-190622300.html

Angela Bassett says Chadwick Boseman has 'magnificent presence' in 'Black Panther: Wakanda Forever'

http://www.yahoo.com/gma/angela-bassett-says-chadwick-boseman-141004902.html



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