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Watched the trailer a few times last night and today.

Read the official synopsis.
"Queen Ramonda (Angela Bassett), Shuri (Letitia Wright), M’Baku (Winston Duke), Okoye (Danai Gurira) and the Dora Milaje (including Florence Kasumba), fight to protect their nation from intervening world powers in the wake of King T’Challa’s death. As the Wakandans strive to embrace their next chapter, the heroes must band together with the help of War Dog Nakia (Lupita Nyong’o) and Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) and forge a new path for the kingdom of Wakanda. Introducing Tenoch Huerta as Namor, king of a hidden undersea nation, the film also stars Dominique Thorne, Michaela Coel, Mabel Cadena and Alex Livanalli."

Checked the upcoming toys. [No T’Challa]
https://www.marvel.com/articles/gear/sdcc-2022-hasbro-funko-black-panther-wakanda-forever

Cancelled my Disney+ Bundle.

Saying my farewell to you guys and the fandom for now.

For any of you that are enjoying this current direction, I’m glad that you’re able to feel that joy.
I myself will have to be content with the concept of T’Challa the Black Panther, and the Uninterrupted Black Excellence of Wakanda.

 “Eyangi (peace)”.


Gessela, much appreciation for your talent and contributions to Black Panther fandom. While you will certainly be missed, we shall hold the King's court until you return. Hetep, Hetepet.

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It also feels very much like the Woman King. A film that will raise a lot of eyebrows, with the historians amongst us.

I'm not against female representation. But when it comes with a slice of male erasure, then I'm not sure :(

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It also feels very much like the Woman King. A film that will raise a lot of eyebrows, with the historians amongst us.

I'm not against female representation. But when it comes with a slice of male erasure, then I'm not sure :(

I'm glad you put the qualifier "amongst us" when talking about historians who will take issue with the Woman King, but I suspect that mainstream historians will have little to say beyond praise for the Woman King and those who don't outright ignore any problems will defend or excuse them as creative/dramatic license, like they did with the Harriet film. Funny enough, Nate Parker's film didn't get that kind of treatment.

Already there's been people on social media/internet looking into the real history of the Woman King, but I don't think we will see much of that from mainstream academia who will be bedazzled by all the strong, black women/Black Girl Magic feminism.

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Re: BLACK PANTHER MOVIES - BP2 Wakanda Forever... 2022 SDCC Exclusive!
« Reply #3738 on: July 25, 2022, 12:39:18 pm »
When you know you are being manipulated, and are being fed 'feels', that capitalise on genuine feelings of loss. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth. All I can say is "the emasculation of Wakanda is complete". :-[ But they will not be satisfied until the core supporters of T'Challa (Black men) accept this "Wonder Woman version of Wakanda" as well... Nope! >:(

Marvel/Disney would love if Black men accepted this version of Wakanda, and in lieu of that, just keep their thoughts to themselves out of fear they would be deemed sexist, misogynistic, or practitioners of misogynoir. I imagine Feige is kicking himself that he didn't trademark the name Nubia because that contemporary take on that DC Comics character would be a great fit for the Disney/Marvel Wakanda.

Emperorjones you have outdone yourself in posting all those links conveniently in one thread. Thank you. You are of course quoted for the eloquent truth that you bring.

You're welcome. I wanted to get a sense of the media spin but also the black You Tube reaction to the trailer.

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It also feels very much like the Woman King. A film that will raise a lot of eyebrows, with the historians amongst us.

I'm not against female representation. But when it comes with a slice of male erasure, then I'm not sure :(


I was through with The Woman King when I saw what appeared to be the young warrior Dahomey kissing some White guy @2:05. Not because I'm against that kinda interaction, but because it's a glaringly racist mandate BY WHITE RACIST FUEDALIST GUYS WHO CONTROL MOVIE STUDIOS AND MOVIE CHAINST that we CAN'T HAVE AN ALL BLACK ROMANCE IN MAJOR MOVIES.
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Damn, damn, damn! Quoting the great Florida Evans in case anyone wants to label me misogynist!?!

Totally sympathize with Gessela! Never expected such a stinging betrayal from Marvel, but I suppose it was foolish of me to invest so much hope and time and money into something I have absolutely no control over, something I can’t influence in any way? I think back to “Stan’s Soapbox” and wonder if even in those simpler times it was all just a mirage? I actually had given up comics for a while, finished undergrad, got married, had a kid, worked 3 sometimes 4 jobs when Quesada’s Marvel Knights caught my attention and Christopher Preist turned me completely around with “The Client!” I was out and they pulled me back in! It was a glorious time with Avery Brooks’ Benjamin Sisko kicking ass in space and T’Challa taking names here on Earth my head was firmly somewhere in between.

As is the way with all things Sisko’s adventures ended and CJP moved on, but in Marvel at least I’ve been clinging to the hope that another inspired artist/creator would expound upon the T’Challa I’d come to admire and create more adventures I’d look forward to consuming. A decade or more of frustrating ups and downs was met with the promise of the MCU and the real possibility of seeing T’Challa on the silver screen. Assuredly we’d get the best version for “BP the Movie” likely to the chagrin of many a fanboy who couldn’t abide by an Uber competent, powerful and genius, A-list, super Black Panther, moved to the front of the Avengers class photo and helming his own celluloid franchise.

The gift of Chadwick Boseman was too good to be true and Marvel seemed to surround him with a near perfect compliment of talents. The creative team recognized the genius of CJP’s Panther and employed a heavy dose for the character’s mix, the excitement was palpable. Nation building concessions, Shuri, MBJ an elevated Ross aside, the future looked bright until the star burned out and Chadwick passed on. With his passing, the only barrier between the T’Challa centered Wakanda I loved and the revisionist, newly “Coated,” progressive Wakanda, surpassing years of tried and true Black Panther content, was gone. What was to come, anyone’s guess?

The overly sentimental, self-serving, audience dismissive and bone-headed decision to kill off T’Challa, a third death in four MCU appearances, perhaps was one that should have been expected given Marvel’s editorial disregard for their groundbreaking, iconic character and testament to diversity in a medium grossly lacking appropriate representation. The ease at which they have committed to assassinating their most tactically brilliant, wealthiest, scientifically ingenious, martially dangerous and sovereign Black superhero, the first in mainstream comics, with hardly any of his stories told, should be universally alarming. But Marvel maintains the guise of tribute and respect as if eliminating powerful Black male icons wasn’t part of an age old global agenda.

I’m with Gessela! And I will not support BP2WF despite my regard for Queen Bassett, Danai, Lupita and Duke. Marvel doesn’t give a sh*t about what I think or want and their perverse take on “the show must go on,” reliving the trauma of Chadwick’s death through T’Challa instead of sharing the same settings, costumes and action with a new talent vetted to honor he who came before, makes absolutely no sense other than in the context of the replacement of positive Black male icons who cow tow to no one and inspire generations. I’m out, again.

No peace,

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Damn, damn, damn! Quoting the great Florida Evans in case anyone wants to label me misogynist!?!

Totally sympathize with Gessela! Never expected such a stinging betrayal from Marvel, but I suppose it was foolish of me to invest so much hope and time and money into something I have absolutely no control over, something I can’t influence in any way? I think back to “Stan’s Soapbox” and wonder if even in those simpler times it was all just a mirage? I actually had given up comics for a while, finished undergrad, got married, had a kid, worked 3 sometimes 4 jobs when Quesada’s Marvel Knights caught my attention and Christopher Preist turned me completely around with “The Client!” I was out and they pulled me back in! It was a glorious time with Avery Brooks’ Benjamin Sisko kicking ass in space and T’Challa taking names here on Earth my head was firmly somewhere in between.

As is the way with all things Sisko’s adventures ended and CJP moved on, but in Marvel at least I’ve been clinging to the hope that another inspired artist/creator would expound upon the T’Challa I’d come to admire and create more adventures I’d look forward to consuming. A decade or more of frustrating ups and downs was met with the promise of the MCU and the real possibility of seeing T’Challa on the silver screen. Assuredly we’d get the best version for “BP the Movie” likely to the chagrin of many a fanboy who couldn’t abide by an Uber competent, powerful and genius, A-list, super Black Panther, moved to the front of the Avengers class photo and helming his own celluloid franchise.

The gift of Chadwick Boseman was too good to be true and Marvel seemed to surround him with a near perfect compliment of talents. The creative team recognized the genius of CJP’s Panther and employed a heavy dose for the character’s mix, the excitement was palpable. Nation building concessions, Shuri, MBJ an elevated Ross aside, the future looked bright until the star burned out and Chadwick passed on. With his passing, the only barrier between the T’Challa centered Wakanda I loved and the revisionist, newly “Coated,” progressive Wakanda, surpassing years of tried and true Black Panther content, was gone. What was to come, anyone’s guess?

The overly sentimental, self-serving, audience dismissive and bone-headed decision to kill off T’Challa, a third death in four MCU appearances, perhaps was one that should have been expected given Marvel’s editorial disregard for their groundbreaking, iconic character and testament to diversity in a medium grossly lacking appropriate representation. The ease at which they have committed to assassinating their most tactically brilliant, wealthiest, scientifically ingenious, martially dangerous and sovereign Black superhero, the first in mainstream comics, with hardly any of his stories told, should be universally alarming. But Marvel maintains the guise of tribute and respect as if eliminating powerful Black male icons wasn’t part of an age old global agenda.

I’m with Gessela! And I will not support BP2WF despite my regard for Queen Bassett, Danai, Lupita and Duke. Marvel doesn’t give a sh*t about what I think or want and their perverse take on “the show must go on,” reliving the trauma of Chadwick’s death through T’Challa instead of sharing the same settings, costumes and action with a new talent vetted to honor he who came before, makes absolutely no sense other than in the context of the replacement of positive Black male icons who cow tow to no one and inspire generations. I’m out, again.

No peace,

Mont
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By Zack Sharf, J. Kim Murphy

The “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” teaser trailer nabbed 172 million views in its first 24 hours, becoming one of the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s top trailer debuts for a superhero movie, the “Wakanda Forever” teaser’s viewership nearly doubled the 88 million views the original “Black Panther” teaser garnered in 2017.

The teaser also set social media ablaze, with topics relating to “Black Panther” garnering over 893,000 mentions. Chadwick Boseman, Namor, Shuri, T’Challa, Ryan Coogler and Angela Bassett all became national trending topics after the teaser’s debut, and the hashtag #WakandaForever held the No. 1 trending spot for over five consecutive hours.

By pulling in 172 million views in its first 24 hours, “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” becomes one of the top trailer launches for a standalone Marvel movie following titles like the “Spider-Man: No Way Home” teaser (the biggest ever with 355.5 million views) and the “Thor: Love and Thunder” teaser (209 million views). Four “Avengers” trailers also pulled in bigger numbers: “Avengers: Endgame” teaser (289 million), “Avengers: Endgame” final trailer (268 million), “Avengers: Infinity War” teaser (230 million) and “Avengers: Infinity War” final trailer (179 million).

It should be noted that unlike many of these aforementioned Marvel movies, the “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever” teaser launched on a Saturday night at around 9:20pm ET. That’s not exactly the most desired time slot for a trailer debut, as most trailers release weekday mornings and take advantage of the workday re-watch factor.

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The new trailer for Black Panther Wakanda Forever was good but good for who and what reason? It most certainly was not good for fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther with decades of appreciation for the character. An upcoming Black Panther movie without the Black Panther, how could it be?



Based on the circumstances I can empathize with the making of this film being cathartic for the director, actors, crew, producers and all those who worked with and knew Chadwick Boseman. I too can feel their need to deliver a movie that shows love and respect him for Chadwick Boseman as both a person and an artist. However none of this necessitates the killing of T'Challa the Black Panther.




I am also sensitive to the possibility of emotional manipulation and its potential profiteering. My sensibilities remain offended by the purposeful absence of leading Afrakan (so called black) men in this trailer. Most particularly T'Challa the Black Panther. Afrakan women being in the forefront is never a problem but Afrakan women being in the forefront without Afrakan men is... especially if its rationale lies in the A.G.E.N.D.A.

The addition of Namor and his newly infused cultural origins may not only convolute the film's ability to stay focused on Wakanda's greatness but worst yet, emphasize its weakness. Cinematically speaking, Wakanda is only four years old. Black Panther fans and enthusiasts do not need to witness Wakanda being decimated. Wakanda is not the Man of Steel's Metropolis nor Godzilla's Tokyo. Its T'Challa the Black Panther's Wakanda. The Wakanda that Priest dared show confront Atlantis.

For some it may be fun to engage in speculating who the so called next Black Panther will be. In the origin story of T'Challa becoming Black Panther Stan Lee didn't write that T'Chaka was a previous Black Panther. T'Challa was the first and most certainly the prime Black Panther. The Black Panther wasn't a mantle. The concept of the Black Panther being a mantle was a plot device that got abused and weaponized. Weaponized to use against T'Challa the Black Panther.

A weakness can be operationally defined as a strength that can be exploited. Such strengths as Afrocentricity and Pan Africanism; Afro-Futurism; Afrakan sovereign nationhood and autonomous empowerment; Afrakan family and communal values are made weak by supplanting them with Multiculturism; national and ethnic disparity; western value infusion; LGBTQ recognition and legitimacy; disaster porn and "black" suffering. These are their weapons of choice. The comic book and film industry, whether under the purposeful influence of the A.G.E.N.D.A. or unwitting and ignorant persons in charge has declared war on the Black Panther.

The Black Panther has been a target from the time that the Lowes County Black Panther Political Party; the Afrakan nations independence and liberation movements and the Black Power movement in the USA inspired and influenced Lee and Kirby to alter their creation the Coal Tiger.

Fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther remember Don McGregor, Roy Thomas, Larry Lieber, Gerry Conway and others writing weakness in their Black Panther stories. Fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther know of the attempts by Aaron, Coates and currently Ridley to indelibly infuse weaknesses into the Black Panther narrative. All their obfuscations and attempts at grafting these weaknesses to T'Challa the Black Panther reveal is their own shortcomings, failures and prejudices.

Fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther have witnessed T'Challa the Black Panther's greatness and strengths via Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, Liss, Aaron (on a good day) and Thorne aka Redjack - the once and future writer of Black Panther and others. So fans and enthusiasts of T'Challa the Black Panther do not blame the king. They do not recognize these weaknesses and place the blame for such where it belongs.
 


Even in a fictitious and temporary death, it is T'Challa the Black Panther driving Black Panther Wakanda Forever no matter how small they write his title. It was T'Challa the Black Panther who opened Wakanda up to the world making it possible for Riri to be introduced. It was T'Challa the Black Panther that bought in 1.3 billion dollars making this and all sequels and Disney+ shows possible. And it is T'Challa the Black Panther's actor Chadwick Boseman whose praises are being sung.

Wakanda is forever but T'Challa the Black Panther is eternal and will again rise in power.


Alright...Black Panther Remix


All his life he had to fight, Ridley
All his life
Hatut like, yebo!
Doras like, yebo!

Wakanda, be built up
Dem say, its stuck up
Bas guide us so wassup?
Panther god say shut up
And if God got us then we gon' be alright

T'Challa, gon' be alright
T'Challa, gon' be alright
He gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? He gon' be alright
T'Challa, he gon' be alright
Huh? He gon' be alright
T'Challa, he gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? He gon' be alright

Orrin Evans inspired
Lee and Kirby admired
and gave him new attire
The Coal Tiger they retired
The BP title they acquired
Defeats Fantastic Four entire

From Jungle Action to P. Gillis
If u down with Priest you'll feel this
Hudlin told you who dis is
and made Storm his misses

Marriage got things shook up
Dem X Men fearing a pay cut
cause she had to sign a prenup
Now Logan tryin' to push up

Liss handled a deformity
Coates wrote woke conformity
A.G.G.E.N.D.A. laden enormity
Beaches stormed like it was Normandy



Got genocide looking from the surface down
Bought Namor's tidal so his people drowned

Coates scheming 'bout T'Challa's life
Tree house rape camps like its alright
Ramonda knows that things aint right
Memory reset he's in the twilight
Where a pretty mutant and Nakia are the highlight
Bas knows, the three of 'em are real tight
cause BP joined the Avengers round midnight

T'Challa reapin' things he didn't sow
cause writers acting like they don't know

So Killmonger comes back from the dead,
his last will and testament was never read
Hunter behaves like he's a gangster
while Achebe acts like he's the Prankster

The World of Wakanda was really Gay
and the crew had nothing more left to say
Chadwick Boseman sadly has gone away
His gift I watched everyday
From heaven I can hear him say

T'Challa, gon' be alright
T'Challa, gon' be alright
He gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? He gon' be alright
T'Challa, he gon' be alright
Huh? He gon' be alright
T'Challa, he gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? He gon' be alright



Oba, we gon' be alright
Heri, we gon' be alright
We gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? We gon' be alright
Ohene, we gon' be alright
Huh? We gon' be alright
Herit, we gon' be alright
Do you hear me, do you feel me? We gon' be alright



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The Movement to #RecastTChalla in ‘Black Panther’ Is Getting Louder (and More Sexist)

http://www.yahoo.com/news/movement-recasttchalla-black-panther-getting-081212506.html

Here it comes. What's really going to get louder are the sexism, misogyny, and misogynoir accusations.

Is the Movement to #RecastTChalla in ‘Black Panther’ Really About Honoring Chadwick Boseman?

http://www.yahoo.com/news/movement-recasttchalla-black-panther-getting-081212506.html

For some reason they changed the title, but it looks like it's the same article I already posted. I put it in so we could see how the mainstream media will make the argument against Recast.
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Marvel Is Changing A Major Part Of Namor's Story For Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/marvel-is-changing-a-major-part-of-namor-s-story-for-black-panther-wakanda-forever/ar-AA1007MT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=28a78ae50ea348459bb537bfd691e859

‘Wakanda Forever Prologue’ EP Features Tems’ “No Woman No Cry” Cover

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wakanda-forever-prologue-ep-features-185411098.html

Disney/Marvel even took Bob Marley out of his own song.

Thank God For The “Black Panther 2” Trailer

http://www.yahoo.com/news/why-black-panther-wakanda-forever-162335121.html

28 Reactions To "Wakanda Forever" That Prove It Might Be The Best MCU Film Yet

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/28-tweets-perfectly-sum-black-031603490.html

Chadwick Boseman Causes Fans To Boycott Black Panther 2

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/chadwick-boseman-causes-fans-to-boycott-black-panther-2/ar-AA1025OU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8ca31ea094954d74b135615b8f461b7d

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Damn, damn, damn! Quoting the great Florida Evans in case anyone wants to label me misogynist!?!

Totally sympathize with Gessela! Never expected such a stinging betrayal from Marvel, but I suppose it was foolish of me to invest so much hope and time and money into something I have absolutely no control over, something I can’t influence in any way? I think back to “Stan’s Soapbox” and wonder if even in those simpler times it was all just a mirage? I actually had given up comics for a while, finished undergrad, got married, had a kid, worked 3 sometimes 4 jobs when Quesada’s Marvel Knights caught my attention and Christopher Preist turned me completely around with “The Client!” I was out and they pulled me back in! It was a glorious time with Avery Brooks’ Benjamin Sisko kicking ass in space and T’Challa taking names here on Earth my head was firmly somewhere in between.

As is the way with all things Sisko’s adventures ended and CJP moved on, but in Marvel at least I’ve been clinging to the hope that another inspired artist/creator would expound upon the T’Challa I’d come to admire and create more adventures I’d look forward to consuming. A decade or more of frustrating ups and downs was met with the promise of the MCU and the real possibility of seeing T’Challa on the silver screen. Assuredly we’d get the best version for “BP the Movie” likely to the chagrin of many a fanboy who couldn’t abide by an Uber competent, powerful and genius, A-list, super Black Panther, moved to the front of the Avengers class photo and helming his own celluloid franchise.

The gift of Chadwick Boseman was too good to be true and Marvel seemed to surround him with a near perfect compliment of talents. The creative team recognized the genius of CJP’s Panther and employed a heavy dose for the character’s mix, the excitement was palpable. Nation building concessions, Shuri, MBJ an elevated Ross aside, the future looked bright until the star burned out and Chadwick passed on. With his passing, the only barrier between the T’Challa centered Wakanda I loved and the revisionist, newly “Coated,” progressive Wakanda, surpassing years of tried and true Black Panther content, was gone. What was to come, anyone’s guess?

The overly sentimental, self-serving, audience dismissive and bone-headed decision to kill off T’Challa, a third death in four MCU appearances, perhaps was one that should have been expected given Marvel’s editorial disregard for their groundbreaking, iconic character and testament to diversity in a medium grossly lacking appropriate representation. The ease at which they have committed to assassinating their most tactically brilliant, wealthiest, scientifically ingenious, martially dangerous and sovereign Black superhero, the first in mainstream comics, with hardly any of his stories told, should be universally alarming. But Marvel maintains the guise of tribute and respect as if eliminating powerful Black male icons wasn’t part of an age old global agenda.

I’m with Gessela! And I will not support BP2WF despite my regard for Queen Bassett, Danai, Lupita and Duke. Marvel doesn’t give a sh*t about what I think or want and their perverse take on “the show must go on,” reliving the trauma of Chadwick’s death through T’Challa instead of sharing the same settings, costumes and action with a new talent vetted to honor he who came before, makes absolutely no sense other than in the context of the replacement of positive Black male icons who cow tow to no one and inspire generations. I’m out, again.

No peace,

Mont

Really like how you described it, "Coated". I might steal that one. I'm torn about whether I will go see this movie. I've seen all manner of stinkers over the years, comic book based or not, and the curiosity might get to me, if not any enthusiasm. I bought my Recast shirt a while ago to wear when I saw it.

I don't begrudge anyone who steps away. I think that is a healthy move, even though some will get mad either way, if you express reservations or dislike you're toxic and they tell you to go away, but if you do go away, then they blame you if the movie underperforms or fails, like how I think some were trying to do with Birds of Prey, despite the opening weekend box office demographics which had more males looking at that film than females. I saw Birds of Prey in the theater. For the record, I don't think Wakanda Forever will flop. If Marvel found a way to power Captain Marvel to a billion, no way Wakanda Forever flops. Coogler is too good a director for that to happen, and the cast is too good. The curiosity over what will happen with T'Challa, the tribute for Chadwick Boseman, and interest in Shuri and Namor, will make this film a hit. Though I suspect the concern for Marvel will be if the box office will be very front-loaded. Like people will rush out to see it opening weekend, but then there's a steep drop off, and there's not as much repeat business. To stave that off I think we are going to get hit with a massive marketing wave and there will be a lot of think pieces and social media directed toward getting people in the theaters again and again and thinking-and darn sure not saying-anything but positive about this movie. This will become akin to a racial loyalty test. And another way to prove our love of black women.

I have little doubt that more males will also be in the audience for Wakanda Forever, including in the black community/communities, and what will be sad is to see so many black folks cheer on the diminution and erasure of strong black males. It's become normal to us and any change is perceived as threatening to 'reality' or our version of it and must come from an evil place.

Right now, I don't see Wakanda Forever matching or exceeding the box office from the first film. I could see it getting close to a billion but might stall out like Dr. Strange 2 did or stumble like Love & Thunder is doing (for the record I thought Love & Thunder would do better than Strange 2, so I'm no genius here when it comes to what audiences like). Other things I'm thinking about is how will Black Adam do? As it stands, the only black male-led superhero film from a major studio this year is now Black Adam and that film will be out a couple weeks or so before Wakanda Forever. It might steal Wakanda Forever's thunder or be more of a legit competitor than I would've thought.

My hope is that in time that after the tears have dried that people will look more soberly at what was done, or not done, with Wakanda Forever and look at it through a less rose-colored lens. Same goes for the first Black Panther movie as well, which I never %100 co-signed. It happened with the Star Wars sequels, especially The Force Awakens and even the Hollywood media isn't going as hard bodied as it once did for The Last Jedi, though they aren't willing to admit yet how much that film hurt the franchise.

The MCU is on shakier legs today than in 2018, and who is to say what changes will happen in the coming years or if the MCU will even exist by the end of this decade. I never buy the idea that we should wait. I recall Matthew Vaughn and internet backers using that argument when it was brought up about how the Civil Rights movement was ignored in X-Men: First Class (despite the inspiration the movement had on the X-Men comic and the inclusion of one black actor and one multiracial actress in the film). We didn't see any mention of it later, and we didn't get any new/different black/multiracial characters to really make up for what happened to Darwin or Angel (not counting Storm). If they don't do it now, if they don't put it in the first film when they have a chance to, I'm very doubtful, if not distrustful, we will see it in a sequel. So I don't know if there will be a recast if there's not a surprise one in Wakanda Forever (and there might be). Or that we will see a Black Panther remake in the future with a new T'Challa.

Look how long they are dragging their feet with Blade, despite having an Academy Award winning actor as the star. What I suspect will happen with Ali's Blade though is that his character will take a backseat to Blade's daughter, Bloodline, who is about to be introduced in the comics. Blade will be used to put this character on. It also doesn't give me much encouragement that they tied Blade to Eternals, perhaps the least popular MCU film yet (I personally didn't think it was bad as others claimed, but I digress). So he's already starting out in a hole.
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My deal with all of this, and maybe it sounds cynical. Is that everyone is attacking the recast crowd and saying what about the cast and crew, me, while I understand they are hurting to and they aren't at fault... It's not about them. More so why is t anyone asking what about his families feelings and why are they ignoring their wishes ands Chad's to tell a "Cathartic" story for themselves which is also reopening a wound for his family as they now watch (possibly some) of the cast who was at his actual funeral, go and reenact it on the big screen for entertainment and a corporations profits.

That's what I have noticed with all these anti Recast crowds. They throw out straw man arguments or misinformation then when they start losing the argument z they take pot shots saying "You must hate women" or "Your disrespecting the people who worked with him and knew him" just like those articles above saying recast crowd is getting more sexist, and fans boycott BP2.

In those articles, the tweets they quote show NOTHING of what the article says and they insert their own lines because the receipts they have don't support what's being claimed
 They are banking on people reading the headline and jumping on the bandwagon.

So for me, I sympathize with the cast and crew Because Disney made sure to constantly remind people that Chad was gone and use it at a tool, but my argument remains the same.

How is it disrespectful to Chads legacy to Recast, when HE wanted people to see the role and not him (he ALWAYS talked about opportunities and inspiration and how big and important T'Challa is) and his family also wants and supports a Recast and has said Chad would want that too? When I ask that question to these folk's they have no answer, and the ones the give are nonsensical like "Coogler and Disney know what they are doing, story just want to be mad" or avoid it altogether.

It's selfish, self serving, and isn't this great Tribute and honor to Chad as people want to claim it is. It's emotional manipulation to everyone involved, cast, crew and fans alike