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Offline Reginald Hudlin

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JARVIS or ALFRED
« on: April 19, 2015, 09:37:54 pm »
Which manservant do you prefer?

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2015, 12:22:10 am »
Jarvis.

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2015, 07:42:00 am »
Who is Jarvis?
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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2015, 08:07:24 am »
Who is Jarvis?



Jarvis is the butler at the Avengers mansion in the comicbooks.

In the Avengers and Ironman movie, Jarvis is Tony Stark's  Artificial Intelligence.

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2015, 05:35:16 pm »
If we're talking about the better character, I've gotta go with Alfred. When the stuff hits the fan, Alfred can actually contribute. Hell, he recently used his smarts to take down Bane.

Now if it's based on the better butler, I'd go with Jarvis.

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 06:35:09 am »
Had to reach into my personal stacks for this Hard Choice:
Jarvis is not only a classically trained butler & gentleman in his field, he can fearlessly defend himself and others from imminent danger...


--- like a giant robot attack!  As seen in The Avengers #298 wonderfully written by Walt Simonson, drawn by the legendary John Buscema and Tom Palmer.


Can Alfred do that?  :-\

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2015, 07:00:22 am »
Who is Jarvis?

Jarvis is the butler at the Avengers mansion in the comicbooks.

In the Avengers and Ironman movie, Jarvis is Tony Stark's  Artificial Intelligence.
He's also appearing in Agent Carter as Howard Starks' butler.

I like him a little bit more than Alfred.
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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2015, 08:59:34 pm »


Can Alfred do that?  :-\


Jarvis is a legit character and has had his time to shine, no doubt. Jarvis was a Royal Air Force boxing champion during WWII, but Alfred was British Special Forces. Alfred is definitely a certified bad ass as can be seen below.









But I'll stick with Jarvis as the better butler.



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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2015, 10:06:05 pm »

Man,  just look all that fan adulation...



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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 10:34:26 pm »
This thread is becoming all I hoped it would be.

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2015, 04:12:10 pm »

Man,  just look at that all that fan adulation...



...and Leadership!



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My problem with that is it's all from the same issue. It was a fun issue to dedicate to Jarvis, but those scenes seem to be few and far between. Jarvis is much more often depicted as the faithful manservant to Tony Stark and the Avengers, ready to fix a snack and tidy up. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're not as common as what we see with Alfred.



Jarvis is the heart of the Avengers but they can survive without him (as we saw in much of Bendis's New Avengers run following Civil War). Alfred, on the other hand, acts as a medic to Batman when he needs it, the moral compass willing to stand up to the scary intimidating Bat, and even an active participant in the fight to protect Gotham. This was just recently on display in Batman Eternal. After getting really messed up by Hush, he recovered and kicked major butt with Bane - the man who broke The Bat! He even impressed him with his skill.

Now that stuff only matters if we are talking about which character kicks butt. But I'm also looking at it regarding their place in comics. Alfred is an integral part of Batman's history and fictional heroics. Jarvis, while a really good guy and beloved, isn't as necessary. We like him, but we don't need him.

But this is comics and character worth is always in the eyes of the reader.

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2015, 06:34:21 pm »
Only need one issue to make my point, so it's more about quality than quantity.





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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2015, 11:08:34 am »
As much as I love Jarvis...well Cracked already said it for me.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3449-5-reasons-why-alfred-most-badass-butler-ever/

They are specifically referring to movie Alfred, but that stuff all applies to the Alfred of comics too. 

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Re: JARVIS or ALFRED
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2015, 11:44:36 am »
As much as I love Jarvis...well Cracked already said it for me.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3449-5-reasons-why-alfred-most-badass-butler-ever/

They are specifically referring to movie Alfred, but that stuff all applies to the Alfred of comics too.







If Alfred is so badass, why doesn't he just don the cape and cowl instead of Bruce?