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Im going in with such low expectations that I can't possibly be disappointed.

I expect the first page of the book to be a splash page of T'challa lying in bed, surrounded my naked doras, with extra doras on the ground scrubbing the floor and cleanign the windows, big ol flat screen with degrading pornagraphy playing, while T'challa goes "bitches, tend to my needs bc I am your man king"

Oh, and the bed is really just doras stacked on top of each other.


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Im going in with such low expectations that I can't possibly be disappointed.

I expect the first page of the book to be a splash page of T'challa lying in bed, surrounded my naked doras, with extra doras on the ground scrubbing the floor and cleanign the windows, big ol flat screen with degrading pornagraphy playing, while T'challa goes "bitches, tend to my needs bc I am your man king"

Oh, and the bed is really just doras stacked on top of each other.

Oh my god i just burst out laughing. If i saw something like that i would swear it was some kind of spoof or parody. Though to be honest i Unless Coates heavily states to Gsy that the Dora's are suppose to come off as poilice officers who used excessive force and to NOT make them seem completely heroic, That she would take it a step further and write some completely off the wall OOC depiction of T'Challa. Because i 150% have doubt that she has touched a single BP issue (other then possibly Coates.. which makes it all the more concerning) Which just sucks because There needs to be consistency with T'Challa's character. again this would actually be a perfect time to show that despite the good intentions, she aren't 100% right



That is actually a good question...

Has Roxanne even read a comic book before? Does anyone know? Let alone a BP book

And I swear to god if she si an Xman fan, especially Storm........ my jim jams....

I would ask but i feel like i would get chewed up and spit out lol.

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Im going in with such low expectations that I can't possibly be disappointed.

I expect the first page of the book to be a splash page of T'challa lying in bed, surrounded my naked doras, with extra doras on the ground scrubbing the floor and cleanign the windows, big ol flat screen with degrading pornagraphy playing, while T'challa goes "bitches, tend to my needs bc I am your man king"

Oh, and the bed is really just doras stacked on top of each other.

Oh my god i just burst out laughing. If i saw something like that i would swear it was some kind of spoof or parody. Though to be honest i Unless Coates heavily states to Gsy that the Dora's are suppose to come off as poilice officers who used excessive force and to NOT make them seem completely heroic, That she would take it a step further and write some completely off the wall OOC depiction of T'Challa. Because i 150% have doubt that she has touched a single BP issue (other then possibly Coates.. which makes it all the more concerning) Which just sucks because There needs to be consistency with T'Challa's character. again this would actually be a perfect time to show that despite the good intentions, she aren't 100% right



That is actually a good question...

Has Roxanne even read a comic book before? Does anyone know? Let alone a BP book

And I swear to god if she si an Xman fan, especially Storm........ my jim jams....

I would ask but i feel like i would get chewed up and spit out lol.

Just ask:. What was your favorite title growing up?

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Like her predecessor Roxane Gay will do little to advance Wakanda or the Black Panther if she attempts to use the misplaced anti feminism found in the mythos of the Black Panther, which was left by some uncreative, ignorant, Anti Afrakan writers.Gay states that women of color have been shamefully abandoned by Feminism, an ideology that has historically been invested in improving the lives of heterosexual white women. Therein lies the dilemma of accepting an ideology not created for you and you begging for inclusion in such.

Gay appears set to paint Wakanda in the colors of victimization and queerism, where instead the Black Panther's homeland would be better illustrated as a nation held together by the beneficial and productive values of a traditional  Afrakan culture that is also futurist.

Regarding A Curry's post... You sir proceed from a false assumption and this curtails any vitality your argument could have had. Where did you "actually" read me stating people who like or buy the Coatesverse Panther "actually" enjoy seeing the atrocities therein?

Ezyo commented that BP being married to the DM could be seen negatively,  I disagreed. And if it is seen as negative doesn't necessarily mean the book won't sell...as it is doing very well sales wise with some very negative goings on.

If the Americans are open to seeing two men kiss and engage in mock sexual activity then they should be open to seeing a man married to two women.. just saying. Diversity and tolerance are not the exclusive rights of the LGBT community.
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Like her predecessor Roxane Gay will do little to advance Wakanda or the Black Panther if she attempts to use the misplaced anti feminism found in the mythos of the Black Panther, which was left by some uncreative, ignorant, Anti Afrakan writers.Gay states that women of color have been shamefully abandoned by Feminism, an ideology that has historically been invested in improving the lives of heterosexual white women. Therein lies the dilemma of accepting an ideology not created for you and you begging for inclusion in such.

Gay appears set to paint Wakanda in the colors of victimization and queerism, where instead the Black Panther's homeland would be better illustrated as a nation held together by the beneficial and productive values of a traditional  Afrakan culture that is also futurist.

Regarding A Curry's post... You sir proceed from a false assumption and this curtails any vitality your argument could have had. Where did you "actually" read me stating people who like or buy the Coatesverse Panther "actually" enjoy seeing the atrocities therein?

Ezyo commented that BP being married to the DM could be seen negatively,  I disagreed. And if it is seen as negative doesn't necessarily mean the book won't sell...as it is doing very well sales wise with some very negative goings on.

If the Americans are open to seeing two men kiss and engage in mock sexual activity then they should be open to seeing a man married to two women.. just saying. Diversity and tolerance are not the exclusive rights of the LGBT community.

No "sir",  lol...you're hurrying to a defensive counter argument...I never said definitively that you "said" anything...if you go back and look at my opening point, it was in the form of a QUESTION...I was ASKING you if that was what you were saying.  Because honestly, if one was to take your original statement without clarification, it could be read as the reason the book is popular, for better or worse, is because of the atrocities within it.  You said "sales figures and commentary support the fact that a black panther book littered with women being abused and trafficked can be received positively"...without clarification this can definitely look like you're saying that the book is being received positively BECAUSE it shows women being abused and trafficked. The line itself is disingenuous as what is more greatly shown is two queer warrior women fighting back, and successfully at that, against said atrocities...but therein is the reason the question was posed.  But one also wonders why you would even state the original line that way. 

It's akin to a feminist saying black men practice mysogyny or "misogynoir"...without clarification that can be taken as "black men entirely" and not "some black men" as I agree that should be quantified if one makes that statement.  (Something we've bought up before) be use the statement as it stands isn't true.

Also your other point...who sees diversity and tolerance as exclusive to the LGBT community?  Right now just with marvel there is a greater push for racial diversity with all of the black characters being introduced and "switched" (see new Iron Man and new Mary Jane in upcoming Spidey movie) than there actually is for LGBT.  It's not that it's exclusive because that's obviously not true...it's just that polygamy isn't being pushed to the forefront just yet like race and sexuality and gender has been and is.  Race arguably is even greater currently.

The issue also with polygamy being seen as negative from an objective viewpoint is actually based in feminism itself...it's about exchange of power.  Men in this society are always seen as having more power than women...so a man having more that one woman is going to be seen as a further imbalance in power structure...men being more powerful and having or taking advantage of said power by having two or more wives who have lesser power in this society.  That's the issue...it isn't seen as equal.

Now add to that a frikkin African KING who rules over the entire land having more than one or two wives who are also by monarchial rule his "subjects" and the negative outlook on the view of unequal power in the relationship grows exponentially. 

This is why polygamy can and is seen as problematic...not that two men or women kissing in this society isn't still in some cases (see posts by one particular poster on here) but two men or two women are seen as something equal...polygamy...a man who already has greater power in this society...having two or more women who have lesser power due to patriarchy...isn't seen as equal and is seen as the women in said relationship being taken advantage of.  Especially when one is a king.

Adding to that, I'm not even saying that polygamy can't be something that can't be seen as more acceptable along with other "diverse" leanings someday...but with black and african male stereotypes and other racial issues prevalent with America...it's questionable that a black or African male character should be one of the first leading examples.
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Im going in with such low expectations that I can't possibly be disappointed.

I expect the first page of the book to be a splash page of T'challa lying in bed, surrounded my naked doras, with extra doras on the ground scrubbing the floor and cleanign the windows, big ol flat screen with degrading pornagraphy playing, while T'challa goes "bitches, tend to my needs bc I am your man king"

Oh, and the bed is really just doras stacked on top of each other.

Oh my god i just burst out laughing. If i saw something like that i would swear it was some kind of spoof or parody. Though to be honest i Unless Coates heavily states to Gsy that the Dora's are suppose to come off as poilice officers who used excessive force and to NOT make them seem completely heroic, That she would take it a step further and write some completely off the wall OOC depiction of T'Challa. Because i 150% have doubt that she has touched a single BP issue (other then possibly Coates.. which makes it all the more concerning) Which just sucks because There needs to be consistency with T'Challa's character. again this would actually be a perfect time to show that despite the good intentions, she aren't 100% right



That is actually a good question...

Has Roxanne even read a comic book before? Does anyone know? Let alone a BP book

And I swear to god if she si an Xman fan, especially Storm........ my jim jams....

I would ask but i feel like i would get chewed up and spit out lol.

Just ask:. What was your favorite title growing up?

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If the Americans are open to seeing two men kiss and engage in mock sexual activity then they should be open to seeing a man married to two women.. just saying. Diversity and tolerance are not the exclusive rights of the LGBT community.

In principle, I agree with the bold. That said, there will be a notable amount of push back should that occur, wrongfully or not. Marvel will have to question whether or not making T'Challa a polygamist on panel would be worth the push back.

Me personally, I would be very intrigued if T'Challa have a Wakandan love interest, especially one that didn't fully shared his perspective of the outside world. We've never seen T'Challa in such a position before, as all his notable love interests were foreigners.
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I concur with you Wakandan. My suggestion of T'Challa marrying the Dora Milaje was meant to show that there are a multitude of directions to take the Black Panther.  I think your suggestion is a good idea.

Mr Curry. If only such detail and commentary were plyed to the diversity lacking, absentee black feminist nation of yours...I don't see you insisting on LGBT inclusion in the shallows of the aquatic sea king's comic book who's moniker you've so adorned.

No worries,  a more serious reply after a good night's sleep.
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There is a petition asking to race swap Black Panther and make him white. Who didn't see this BS coming.

Here the link.
http://www.change.org/p/marvel-make-black-panther-white

Something about this reads disingenuous.  A so called black, negro, person of color being the author behind this for one.
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The way he's been portrayed so far in Coates's run, why not race change the character? I bet a white Black Panther would be more decisive and kick ass. And I bet the book when they address issues of race and colonialism (albeit from either a white perspective or a white controlled perspective) more than Coates has so far. With a white Black Panther, his or her whiteness might provide a level of cover and safety for whites to explore those issues.

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There is a petition asking to race swap Black Panther and make him white. Who didn't see this BS coming.

Here the link.
http://www.change.org/p/marvel-make-black-panther-white

Something about this reads disingenuous.  A so called black, negro, person of color being the author behind this for one.


Everytime some character gets race swapped, there are a slew of "why not make Black Panther and Luke Cage white!!" posts.

Which for 1) goes to show how mainstream black heroes are because that is literally all they can name, 2) goes to show how ignorant they are of those characters. Those 2 are probably one of the few characters in the MU that are 100% defined by their race.

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There is a petition asking to race swap Black Panther and make him white. Who didn't see this BS coming.

Here the link.
http://www.change.org/p/marvel-make-black-panther-white

Something about this reads disingenuous.  A so called black, negro, person of color being the author behind this for one.


If they were smart, they would say, "let's make BP and Wakanda part of the Azetek nation, because Native Americans have even less representation in comics/movies."  This way they can look inclusive in their actions, even though they aren't.

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There is a petition asking to race swap Black Panther and make him white. Who didn't see this BS coming.

Here the link.
http://www.change.org/p/marvel-make-black-panther-white

Something about this reads disingenuous.  A so called black, negro, person of color being the author behind this for one.


Wow, That is incredibly stupid. Plus they kinda already tried to do that with Kasper.. Look how that turned out. I think trying to make BP white would be completely idiotic and kill any interest growing in people about the character. I don't think that would happen at all

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First of all..."LOL@Change.org petition!" Change.org polls are like the "Yahoo Forums of Polls". It was once reputable, but now racist white morons have taken it over. They're generally ineffectual because they're notorious for having deliberate troll petitions. Like this one. The "Make America Great Again." line at the end is a major red-flag. Because T'challa isn't American, and this just screams that this is done solely for means other than actually caring about the character or for "fairness".

This is like when Gamergate morons petitioned to have a videogame canceled that will star a "Hindu Indian" female protagonist. Even after that side has always told people to stop asking for white developers to "pander" to non-white groups.