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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! #200 Preview!
« Reply #5085 on: January 22, 2022, 04:20:38 pm »
Introducing new characters is not the "Coates effect." The unnecessary continuation of Wakandan internal political conflict is the residue i speak of when referencing Coates' lingering effects.

But that was a staple of the Priest run. The problem is that Ridley is not as strong a storyteller. So it suffers from not having enough explosive highs that distract from the minor lows required for telling a full story.

He had Nakia' and Okoye's villages fighting each other and a corrupt parliament, but those are capable of being ignored because Tchalla is having WTF moments. So internal conflict seems like a minor issue even though it's a driving force in some characters.

Agreed, that was a staple of the Priest run and I didn't appreciate it then. I concur with your opinion of Ridley (thus far) and about the "explosive highs that distract from the minor lows required for telling a full story.


The cafe scene in the preview must be from 50+ years ago. I don't think they use phones and tab anymore. Lol

The sad truth is the lack of imaginative Afrakan futurism grounded in a cultural context of an insular nation that has never been colonized nor overly influenced by the world outside their window.
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Here are a couple of reviews. The fun starts tomorrow as we get a taste of how Ridley handles T'Challa and Ororo; Black Panther and the X-Men; Wakanda and Arakko. Be here true believers.

‘Black Panther’ #3 finds its legacy #200 crown a bit heavy
John Ridley and Juann Cabal continue ‘The Long Shadow’ in Black Panther #3.
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Black Panther #3 sees John Ridley and Juann Cabal joined by Ibrahim Moustafa, Juni Ba, Germán Peralta, and Jesus Aburtov for a 40 page issue as the title reaches its Legacy numbering of #200 (I’ll get into where that number comes from at the end). Despite this being a centennial issue and Black Panther being the first Black superhero at Marvel to reach this numbering, Black Panther #3 feels much more in line with the first two issues in this volume rather than an extravagant anniversary issue.

The issue begins with the next chapter of “The Long Shadow,” picking up right where Black Panther #2 left off as T’Challa and Omolola face off with the masked assassins. Juann Cabal’s artwork shines here as our heroes use a combination of acrobatics, jiu-jitsu, and technology to take down their would-be assailants. Cabal handles all with aplomb, including some moments within the fight itself that may hint at the larger story. Color artist Matt Milla also adds some fun details, like T’Challa’s eyes glowing green like a cat’s. After the attack, T’Challa realizes he may be the actual target of the ambushes on his agents and chooses to go off the grid, and departs Earth for Mars, now terraformed and ruled by Storm and the X-Men.

During the travel, writer John Ridley takes an opportunity to have T’Challa open up a bit more about his own emotions, something he’s reluctant to do as king. He asks Omolola whether or not Jhai was happy given his station as one of T’Challa’s secret agents. It’s a nice scene that touches on T’Challa’s compassion without getting melodramatic. At the same time, some of Ridley’s dialogue for T’Challa still feels a little off. Lines like “Yeaaah, no.” feel a bit casual for a man raised to be royalty, but fortunately these moments aren’t too distracting.

Upon arrival on Mars, Black Panther #3 changes artists, bringing in Ibrahim Moustafa. Moustafa’s lines are thicker than Cabal’s and uses more crosshatching, giving these pages a different feel to the ones done by Cabal. The change works well, as though there’s some time focused on the relationship between T’Challa and Storm, though it’s actually the relationship between T’Challa and the Wakandan mutant Nezhno Abidemi (aka Gentle) that gets more pages. Gentle’s past has often seen him shunned by his fellow Wakandans, and Ridley makes use of that history and Gentle’s appearance in the finale of the previous volume of Black Panther to make for an emotional interaction between a king and his former subject.



While this story works as the third issue of John Ridley and Juann Cabal’s first arc, this being the 200th issue of Black Panther does make the story feel a bit underwhelming, especially as there doesn’t seem to be a large narrative reveal. Fans who are looking for a standout moment in an issue like this are likely going to be disappointed.

Counteracting that potential disappointment, Black Panther #3 is supplemented by two 10-page stories. The first, by writer/artist Juni Ba and colorist Chris O’Halloran focuses on a young T’Challa saving the goddess Bast from an ailment and meeting a trickster spirit. Ba’s art and writing are expressive and humorous, giving the story a nice departure in tone from the rest of the issue. The story’s supernatural feel evokes some of the strangeness common to Jack Kirby’s work in the 1970s volume of Black Panther, honoring the past while delivering something new.



The final story in the issue is perhaps the most publicized as Ridley and letterer Joe Sabino are joined by Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov, the art team behind two of T’Challa’s most recent crossovers to introduce a new Wakandan hero in Tosin. Tosin’s story is laid out in his own narrative captions, a stark contrast to the way T’Challa has been presented in Ridley’s work. Ridley founds Tosin’s viewpoint in some of the worldbuilding laid forth by other creators, allowing for the new character to fit nicely into the story without seeming alien. Additionally, the events of this backup clearly take place after the main story and tease future developments in “The Long Shadow” story arc.



The Verdict

While perhaps not what some readers would hope for in a milestone issue, Black Panther #3 makes for a solid read. While some of the dialogue feels a bit informal for a king, John Ridley’s take on T’Challa nails the dynamic that makes Black Panther such a great character. The artwork by Juann Cabal, Ibrahim Moustafa, and Matt Milla bring to life the main story while Juni Ba, Chris O’Halloran, Germán Peralta and Jesus Aburtov give readers two backups that are sure to leave an impression.

A Brief Note on the Legacy Numbering

In 2017, Marvel Comics introduced “Legacy” numbering to their issues, treating disconnected volumes centered around characters as a single continuous title. These numbers briefly replaced the the numbering of the issues, so the nineteenth issue of Black Panther (2016) was labeled as issue #166, but these legacy numberings are now currently featured under the issue’s numbering. For the character of Black Panther, the legacy numbering combines the following titles:

Black Panther (1977) #1-15
Black Panther (1998) #1-62
Black Panther (2005) #1-41
Black Panther (2009) #1-12
Black Panther: The Man Without Fear (2010) #513-523
Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive (2011) #524-529
Black Panther (2016) #1-18, #166-172
Black Panther (2018) #1-25
Black Panther (2021) #1-3

Readers will note this numbering omits Black Panther’s first solo series, which was published as Jungle Action (1972) #6-24 as well as the four issue miniseries Black Panther (1988), which is most frequently known as Black Panther Vol. 2. At the same time, it includes the issues in which Black Panther briefly took over Daredevil: The Man Without Fear. There was an issue, Black Panther: The Most Dangerous Man Alive #523.1, which is not counted, but that makes sense given that the point-one publishing initiative was made to be an “extra” issue. Daredevil’s legacy numbering does not include these issues featuring Black Panther.

Black Panther #3 rates 8 out of 10

+John Ridley makes good use of the character histories to create emotion in the narrative.
+Juni Ba and Chris O'Halloran's story is a delightful read.
+The artwork across the three stories is strong.
-Some of Ridley's dialogue for T'Challa feels a bit casual.
-The issue doesn't quite live up to the occasion of its legacy numbering.

While perhaps not what some readers would hope for in a milestone issue, Black Panther #3 makes for a solid read.
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https://aiptcomics.com/2022/01/24/black-panther-3-review-2/




ADVANCED REVIEW: ‘Black Panther,’ Issue #3
by Collier "CJ" Jennings



Black Panther #3 is written by John Ridley, illustrated by Juann Cabal & Ibrahim Moustafa, colored by Matt Milla, and lettered & designed by VC’s Joe Sabino. It’s published by Marvel Comics. Part 3 of “The Long Shadow” finds T’Challa and Wakandan sleeper agent Omalola attacked by the same mysterious assassins who have been killing Wakanda’s spies. To get off the grid, T’Challa and Omalola travel to Mars, now known as the mutant planet Arrako and ruled by T’Challa’s former wife Storm. Meanwhile, Shuri attempts to balance Wakanda’s newly formed democracy and the hunt for the mysterious assassins.

This issue also serves as the 200th issue of Black Panther since his first solo series in 1977, and it’s rather wild to think about how far T’Challa’s comes as a character. From his first appearance in Fantastic Four #52 to being the subject of a critically acclaimed blockbuster and even headlining animated series and video games, the Panther’s become just as much of a fixture in pop culture as Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman. To celebrate, the issue contains two bonus stories: one stretching back into the early days of T’Challa’s past, and one hinting at the future that awaits Wakanda.

“A Tall Tale of Tricks” is written & illustrated by Juni Ba and colored by Chris O’Halloran; “The Wakandan” is written by Ridley, illustrated by Germán Peralta, and colored by Jesus Aburtov. “A Tall Tale of Tricks” finds T’Challa traveling to the land of the Djinne to complete an errand on behalf of the trickster god Say-Say. “The Wakandan” introduces Tosin Oduye, a native of Wakanda who breaks away from the city of Wakanda, but returns when the mysterious assassins launch an attack on the captiol. Peralta has previously illustrated Black Panther before during the King in Black story and showcases the history of Wakanda from people on the streets of the golden city, Birnin Zana, and the Black Panther’s battle with Erik Killmonger. Ridley’s script reveals how Tosin has grown disillusioned with Wakanda, but also how he plans to fix it, which may play into future issues of Black Panther.

“A Tall Tale of Tricks” plays out like an African fable. No surprise there, since Ba is working on a graphic novel at TKO Studios titled Djeliya that draws inspiration from West African myth. His art is a visual feast. Bast takes the form of a pure white panther, prowling within a massive void of black and purple. And when T’Challa travels to the land of the Djinne, the art depicts him literally falling through Bast’s body, breaking through one panel and landing in the next. The Panther is also sporting an outfit that incorporates elements of gold and black, which serves as a homage to the costume he wore in Christopher Priest’s character-defining run.

The main story itself features a battle between T’Challa, Omalola, and a group of assassins, which Cabal draws with fluid grace and a lethal result. Sabino’s lettering even gets incorporated into the fight as an assassin blows his brains out. The resounding “SPLAT” looks less like a “Splat” and more like a bloodstain. Moustafa takes over when T’Challa travels to Arrako and illustrates a heartwarming conversation between T’Challa and Ororo. Even though they aren’t married anymore, Ridley understands that the two have history and draws upon it. And Milla’s colors showcase what a paradise Arrako has become., with lush green forests and massive mountains standing out against the arid red skies of Mars.

Black Panther #3 celebrates the past, present, and future of Wakanda’s king courtesy of a collection of all-star creators. I look forward to seeing what role Tosin plays in Ridley’s run, as well as the identity of these mystery assassins and their vendetta against Wakanda.

Black Panther #3 will be available wherever comics are sold on January 26, 2021.

Black Panther #3 gets 4.5 out of 5

Black Panther #3 celebrates the past, present, and future of Wakanda’s king courtesy of a collection of all-star creators. I look forward to seeing what role Tosin plays in Ridley’s run, as well as the identity of these mystery assassins and their vendetta against Wakanda.

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It was a solid issue with some really well done misdirection. The plot didnt further, but they do a big future plot reveal in the Tosin mini story. Only one panel had dialogue for Tchalla that doesn't sound like him at all. The art in the second half was way better and should be a regular artist in the next arc.
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5088 on: January 26, 2022, 05:51:24 pm »
BLACK PANTHER joins the #200 club... finally!

While some of his fellow heroes reached this milestone decades ago they had one thing in common, their 200th anniversary issue unashamedly reflected on what made the titular character a great superhero.









Their covers dramatically display the hero and they didn't bother to solicit other characters because they already had all they required. Note the X-Men didn't share their cover.



Why should the Black Panther?



There is no doubt that it is a good cover, Alex Ross delivered. The fact is that it should have centered on the Black Panther only. The first issue's cover would have been more appropriate in regards to scale. Still, centering on the Black Panther would have been the way to go as this variant clearly demonstrates.



Post Hudlin, with Liss being the exception, I'm not feeling these writers are fans of the Black Panther and Wakanda and as such may not have their best interests at heart. I will carefully note Priest was not a fan as much as he was professional. As such is the case, I find myself fatiguing of the persistent narration of a flawed T'Challa and a deconstructed Wakanda both wanting for their unrealized potential to be expressed.
 
The era of a solo book with Black Panther two steps ahead of his enemies and three steps ahead of his friends; who was a superior amalgam of Reed's brain, Cap's brawn and Stark's bank; and touted as the most dangerous man alive seems to be behind us.

Why, because the era of editorial mandated continuity within a Black Panther solo ended with Priest. All those solos that followed were variants on the theme as if belonging to alternate universes. The only one that did T'Challa the Black Panther and Wakanda right post Priest was Hudlin. Continuity is the foundation upon which you can build sensible narratives and give reason for improvement and character development, otherwise you're just tossing fecal matter at a window hoping its open. Most times its closed, so then the thinking becomes will it stick?

In Ridley's first story in BP 200 the subtleties reflecting T'Challa's impotency are glaring. Omolola's Kimoyo beads power up three times that of T'Challa's. She defeats two of the three assassins skillfully and causes the third to commit suicide while the Black Panther struggles with one opponent.

The challenge with visiting Wakanda is that it is exceptionally ordinary. By real life standards it represents well but this is the Marvel universe wherein Wakanda should express the exceptionally exotic. More on this when we get to the third story of this celebratory issue.

The flight to Mars was cool but this harboring over the death of T'Challa's retconned best friend to fulfill one of this story's plot devices sounds suspect.  "You lost someone you loved. So how are you doing." T'Challa has lost his father, uncle Z'Yan, Zuri, W'Kabi, Nakia, NuNakia and possibly Monica. So why all this talk about feelings. Sounds S.U.S.P.E.C.T.

Ororo's affections for T'Challa were good to see.



Gentle's hostility and attack on T'Challa could have been stylized a little better but the reveal made up for that. Good to see where Gentle's loyalty lies. T'Challa tells Ororo that he and Omolola suffered the same loss and that he can't talk about it because he is still working through it. Sounds S.U.S.P.E.C.T.


Read between the lines.
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“It’s a hybrid espionage-superhero thriller, but at its core, it’s a love story,” Ridley told The New York Times. “And I don’t mean just romantic love, although there’s some of that as well. It’s love between friends.
https://pocculture.com/marvel-comics-john-ridley-takes-over-black-panther-in-august/

The second story by Juni Ba, I enjoyed particularly for its stylized artwork and Afrakan folklore-esque narrative. I could stand to see a few more tales done in this manner.





The third and final story is by John Ridley and entitled The Wakandan, was an excellent exposition on why writers like he and Coates do better in creating their own characters while at the same time demonstrating why they should stay away from the Black Panther and his mythos.


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Ridley aims to build upon foundations laid by Black Panther writers Coates and Reginald Hudlin. “You say [their] names, and you know what they did with Black Panther,” he says, “I want to build on those stories. You can look forward to a very human, very grounded take on what it’s like to be Black Panther. It’s the story of regret, in many ways.”
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/john-ridley-needle-in-a-timestack-interview-black-panther

As I mentioned previously, the challenge in visiting Wakanda lies in how many western sensibilities it has and how its people, despite their aesthetics are nothing more than brown stand-ins for white people in the social context. While there exists a certain undeniable commonality among human beings it should not be a challenge to demonstrate some unique cultural and social qualities to define Wakanda.



Tosin, who is likable, comes off as a amalgamation of Coates' Tetu and Miles Morales as his people come off like Jabari naturalist. Simply put, the attributes given to Tosin should have been afforded to T'Challa the Black Panther. The premise is workable only if they integrate the powers and philosophy of Tosin and his people with T'Challa and greater Wakanda. We don't need to see anything resembling this...



Black Panther #200 (a milestone that should have been reached in the late eighties if all things were fair) was both a reminder of how far we've come and how much further we still need to go.



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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5089 on: January 26, 2022, 06:16:59 pm »
I wouldn't say the fight went like that. Tchalla was fighting two on one and Omolola deflected a shot. If the fighter had focused on her he probably would have won. But as the story suggests, Tchalla is the target. The third was teamwork. For now I'm thinking they're War Dogs.

The 2nd story ends with Tosin using tech so I guess he allies with Tchalla in a future issue. Ridley might be using this to do a more closed off Wakanda if they are the victors. Essentially trying to get it back to the Priest interpretation. And making the Hatute the villains does the same. He might be trying to move the standard back to that direction.

I'm also thinking the the new best friend is alive. This is his scheme to get Tchalla back as absolute Monarch.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2022, 06:25:14 pm by CvilleWakandan »
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5090 on: January 26, 2022, 06:43:54 pm »
Omolola was struggling against the 1 assassin. T'Challa was fighting two at once and also told omolola they needed to take one alive. She barely beats the one she was fighting and gets wounded. The shot the assassin fired was aimed at T'Challa and she deflects it Which hits one of the guys T'Challa was fighting.

So while omolola "defeats" them, she failed in the regard that she struggled and killed the one T'Challa was going to subdue.

I agree we need to see the story move forward, and I kinda wish this issue was grander on scale, but it was solid In relation to the story.

As for the third story, I'll just copy what I said on CBR


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I am think (Hoping) that Ridley is smart enough to see that everything Tosin is saying about T'Challa and Wakanda is hypocritical. Throughout the story he keeps saying that the other Wakandans are wrong, that T'Challa is just as bad as Erik and that because they have power they think only They are right. He goes on to say he will fix Wakanda because he and his tribe are right and the others are wrong. That a revolution for the true Wakanda is needed. I am hoping the irony is not lost and we see that this character learns perspective and it's through T'Challa, seeing that theres more nuances and T'Challa knows this intimately and also knows that while the mute zone thinks they are living in peace away from the violence and they're "Safe" it's through T'Challas actions that they can participate in the "peace" they think they created for themselves

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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5091 on: January 26, 2022, 07:17:55 pm »
Minor plot holes maybe. They had two bodies leftover. They could have analyzed them for clues. In the first two issues the attackers blew themselves up or got blown up.
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5092 on: January 27, 2022, 09:53:43 am »
Omolola was struggling against the 1 assassin. T'Challa was fighting two at once and also told omolola they needed to take one alive. She barely beats the one she was fighting and gets wounded. The shot the assassin fired was aimed at T'Challa and she deflects it Which hits one of the guys T'Challa was fighting.

So while omolola "defeats" them, she failed in the regard that she struggled and killed the one T'Challa was going to subdue.

I agree we need to see the story move forward, and I kinda wish this issue was grander on scale, but it was solid In relation to the story.

As for the third story, I'll just copy what I said on CBR


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I am think (Hoping) that Ridley is smart enough to see that everything Tosin is saying about T'Challa and Wakanda is hypocritical. Throughout the story he keeps saying that the other Wakandans are wrong, that T'Challa is just as bad as Erik and that because they have power they think only They are right. He goes on to say he will fix Wakanda because he and his tribe are right and the others are wrong. That a revolution for the true Wakanda is needed. I am hoping the irony is not lost and we see that this character learns perspective and it's through T'Challa, seeing that theres more nuances and T'Challa knows this intimately and also knows that while the mute zone thinks they are living in peace away from the violence and they're "Safe" it's through T'Challas actions that they can participate in the "peace" they think they created for themselves

I agree with that analysis. If all of Wakanda was like the mute zones, they'd have been conquered when the Red Skull showed up in WW2. They get to live their low tech lives because the high tech side protects their right to do it. But I guess he is on Tchalla's side unless its going to be a three way conflict between Tchalla and Dora, Hatute, and new government.

Just remembered that Ewing tried to make the Hatute a mercenary group that only takes orders from Tchalla. I appreciated that he tries to keep a level continuity going across books, but when he creates new ideas, they're not going to stick.

With all these new teenage characters, Wakanda has a hero team ready. Tosin, the three from Hickmans' story(the girl who turns invisible and two guys), the two Dora children from Kelly Thompsons' East Coast Avengers, Vibraxis, QDJ,
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5093 on: January 27, 2022, 01:00:28 pm »
Yeah I would like to think that Ridley won't pull a Coates, as he has shown a few times now that he doesn't agree with his depictions of things and went out of his way to talk about the Flaws of democracy. I think doing it the way I mentioned would be a nuanced way to handle it. I really don't care to see another T'Challa is wrong storyline. To me it was be a cop out an cheapen would could be a interesting look into young vs old generational thinking and how the world isn't black and white. That because of the technology they were able to thrive the way they did.

As for the HZ, I'm kinda ready for them to be a permanent and integral part of the Wakandan armed forces and not be the antagonist. Sure some can be loyal to hunter but they need to take on a new look to differ from T'Challas HZ

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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5094 on: January 28, 2022, 08:25:58 am »
I wouldn't say the fight went like that. Tchalla was fighting two on one and Omolola deflected a shot. If the fighter had focused on her he probably would have won. But as the story suggests, Tchalla is the target. The third was teamwork. For now I'm thinking they're War Dogs.

The 2nd story ends with Tosin using tech so I guess he allies with Tchalla in a future issue. Ridley might be using this to do a more closed off Wakanda if they are the victors. Essentially trying to get it back to the Priest interpretation. And making the Hatute the villains does the same. He might be trying to move the standard back to that direction.

I'm also thinking the the new best friend is alive. This is his scheme to get Tchalla back as absolute Monarch.

Omolola was struggling against the 1 assassin. T'Challa was fighting two at once and also told omolola they needed to take one alive. She barely beats the one she was fighting and gets wounded. The shot the assassin fired was aimed at T'Challa and she deflects it Which hits one of the guys T'Challa was fighting.

So while omolola "defeats" them, she failed in the regard that she struggled and killed the one T'Challa was going to subdue.

I agree we need to see the story move forward, and I kinda wish this issue was grander on scale, but it was solid In relation to the story.

As for the third story, I'll just copy what I said on CBR


Quote from: Ezyo 1000
I am think (Hoping) that Ridley is smart enough to see that everything Tosin is saying about T'Challa and Wakanda is hypocritical. Throughout the story he keeps saying that the other Wakandans are wrong, that T'Challa is just as bad as Erik and that because they have power they think only They are right. He goes on to say he will fix Wakanda because he and his tribe are right and the others are wrong. That a revolution for the true Wakanda is needed. I am hoping the irony is not lost and we see that this character learns perspective and it's through T'Challa, seeing that theres more nuances and T'Challa knows this intimately and also knows that while the mute zone thinks they are living in peace away from the violence and they're "Safe" it's through T'Challas actions that they can participate in the "peace" they think they created for themselves


Two small panels of T'Challa in the background struggling with two attackers is no consolation. Plus they came light. A three man assault team for the Black Panther... frakin' insulting. Not to mention Omolola is the one seen leaping high in the air; downing an opponent; deflecting a shot so to take out another opponent; flipping and dodging gunfire; putting her opponent in a choke hold that resulted in his committing suicide; and finally she defeat T'Challa's opponent. While we get to see T'Challa in his third back ground struggling with one adversary. One. One that even gets a "Hrrr...!" out of T'Challa.

Personally speaking, this story (and most others) would be much better if T'Challa was solo and the powers, skill set and intelligence centered solely on him. Omolola is not necessary and most likely will not evolve into an Electra or Harley Quinn level character. There seem to be this penchant to create new, most often disposable characters that only reason for being seems to be to distract from T'Challa. The Black Panther should be fighting his attackers with aide from a subordinate. The Black Panther should be doing the detective work not Shuri. The Black Panther should be traveling to Mars solo.

The Black Panther should have been the one to discover the natural ways to refine vibraium's essence. This would have been a good segue to retcon Maberry having T'Challa applying some generic runes to his body. Yet just like Doomwar in which Dr. Doom discovers a means to utilize vibranium's mystical qualities, we know have Tosin's and his new clan have developed the capabilities to have vibranium flow with them and through them.

For my tastes I want to read about a physically, intellectually and spiritually evolving Black Panther who is none other than T'Challa.

The new best friend is alive scheme to get Tchalla back as absolute Monarch is an interesting plot device.






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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5095 on: January 28, 2022, 08:48:37 am »
Its not insulting when in the previous issue fighting one opponent gave him a bit a of trouble. That's what we've asked for, the enemy being skilled enough to fight him instead of being "goom slam garys" who seem to get lucky. Now that he's fighting two it should be twice as dangerous. As I said, the one fighting Omolola didn't care about her and probably would have beaten her as easily as the one beat the house wife in issue 2. Now the 200th issue probably isn't the best time to prove she can fight from an celebration point of view. But the issue doesn't seem to be celebrating the event anyway.

The only agent who is dead so far is Tchallas' friend. All others are still alive and Tchalla wasn't worried about evacuating any of the others once he figured he was the target. Which doesn't make much sense because if they can't find him while he is on Mars, they'll just go back to hunting down agents to draw him out. But that still makes me think he's alive. Plus in fiction, if there is no body, they're still alive. lol

The analysis of the Black Panther you're looking for only takes place regularly in Don McGregor books. And he gets beat nearly to death in those books. The next closest is Gillis and Liss.

The way the story is told, I assumed their method of manipulation Vb was learned generations ago. There is one BP in Hickmans old BP splash page who looks like he probably developed the technique. The old man who taught him how to use the mage combined with the runes could be the root of the technique the mute zoners use.
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5096 on: January 28, 2022, 09:46:47 am »
I gotta agree with cville here atleast until we get a confirmation of of these guys are enhanced or superhuman etc.

As we have seen. These guys have whooped T'Challas agents when they come against them. I reread the issue and I would hardly say T'Challa was struggling. He wasn't trying to kill them. The sound he made sounds more like someone trying to subdue an opponent who is skilled and strong. Which, again hopefully these guys are superpower in some capacity otherwise that will be disappointing because peak humans should not be able to give T'Challa trouble unless they have something to boost like IF.

I don't mind Shuri doing some detective workss long as: 1 it's not hinted that she is the only one capable of doing it ( doesn't seem to be the case, more like when Hudlin had people delegate while he was time hopping with the FF) Omolola I agree I didn't care to see her in action that much but whatever, as long as we see T'Challa whooping ass it's fine.

As for Tosins story? Honestly it's fine. T'Challa advanced Wakanda through technology. Honestly I like him more inline with the technical side and while knowledgeable about the spiritual, he prefers technology. Having two different sides is good world building. Better than Doomwar nonsense.

I'm more concerned about Ridley missing the opportunity to show how the mute zone is being hypocrites for criticizing the golden city and calling Erik and T'Challa villains and heo they are wrong and the mute zone is right, while simultaneously failing to realize they are only around and prospering BECAUSE of Wakandan advanced technology and their warrior spirit has saved them from colonization and destruction. And their "peace" is thanks to those they are criticizing in the first place

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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5097 on: January 28, 2022, 02:55:26 pm »
Black Panther Just Introduced Wakanda's Version of Flash

http://screenrant.com/black-panther-tosin-oduye-wakanda-flash-vibranium-speedster/

Black Panther Just Revealed Wakanda’s Worst Mistake – And It Endangers the Nation


http://www.cbr.com/black-panther-wakandas-worst-mistake/
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5098 on: January 29, 2022, 03:54:26 am »
Whoever wrote that second article didn't even finish the issue. Lol.
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Re: NEW BLACK PANTHER COMIC BOOK - Ridley's Believe it or Not! BP #200 It's Here!
« Reply #5099 on: February 01, 2022, 05:20:48 pm »
That's a lot of supposition CvilleWakandan. And it remains insulting because nowhere in the three issues out thus far was it stated or shown that the assassins were enhanced or superhuman. T'Challa has history with kind of treatment. If it wasn't Goon Slam Gary, then its his predecessor Elmer "Sex and Violence Gore.


Yea, this guy.

Instead of all that talk about feelings, those pages could have been filled with intel on the attackers. Having either T'Challa or Omolola comment on their strength or speed or hand to hand combat skill would have been extremely supportive of your argument.

Good point about T'Challa's hiatus on Mars. As far as bodies go, didn't T'Challa go to the morgue and view the body?

Whether Vb manipulation was learned generations ago or not it would have been an excellent power up for T'Challa.
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