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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2016, 09:36:06 am »
How much time did you spend making it????

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2016, 10:01:19 am »
How much time did you spend making it????

IDK, about half an hour. I remember reading her comments so the time was spent primarily finding the source material. The pictures were an easy Google.
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2016, 10:46:22 am »
Wait those are her Actual quotes??

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2016, 02:06:31 pm »
Wait those are her Actual quotes??


Her actual quotes, contextualized for entertainment purposes. The sources are listed below the last picture.

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T'Challa the Black Panther Talks to Roxane Gay





Why are you doing this?


"I'm a bad feminist."


I won't ask a second time.


"I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe..."

Claws slide out


"Ta-Nehisi first approached me..."


Are you serious? I haven't got time for this BS. I got a movie set to drop.


" I do not want to see any more movies about slavery. I have written about this a few times. I understand how horrible slavery was. I understand what it did to the black body, mind and spirit. I understand how the effects of slavery can still be seen in contemporary America."


My film is about an unconquered Afrakan nation whose people were never enslaved.


"I do not need to see another black woman violated or degraded."


Obviously you have not read Coates' iteration of the Black Panther before taking the job. His version is...


"Historically inaccurate, with one-dimensional women characters whose sexual violation is used as the catalyst..."



And still you ride with him?


"I have no doubt that [Coates] past has affected [Black Panther] but even more damaging has been his willfully dismissive attitude in the aftermath. He doesn’t seem to understand why so many people are troubled..."


Not only that, he lacks the motivation and essential rectitude to write my story from an Afro Futurist perspective, instead claiming high sales numbers as if they represent high art.
 

"This brings us to the burden of black art, which is expected to be consumed mindlessly and uncritically so that it might succeed so that more black art can be made. This isn’t how the creation of black art should work. "


You and Coates don't talk much do you?


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http://roxanegay.tumblr.com/
http://ew.com/article/2016/11/02/roxane-gay-world-wakanda-marvel/
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2017, 08:01:54 am »
Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda #2 outsells Coates' Black Panther #9
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2017, 08:23:36 am »
Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda #2 outsells Coates' Black Panther #9
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-12.html


Naw, it out ordered Coates BP

BP was #44 in actual sales, WoW was #94

Marvel either shipped a ton extra... or stores severely over estimated how many people would be returning to buy the book after #1

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2017, 09:04:17 am »
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2017, 11:32:24 am »
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2017, 11:53:15 am »
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


Good looking out MindofShadow. I'll use that, thanks.
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2017, 05:28:03 pm »
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


I totally I called that this book would flop early. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the unmitigated hubris and delusions of both Gay and her pathetic, simp, sycophant, Coates (who is on the record saying that he's disregarding the fans) will continue this downward spiral.

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2017, 08:57:18 pm »
Coatesverse Black Panther #9 sold 39,123 comics compared to Gay World of Wakanda #2 which sold 45,009. While outselling Priest's Black Panther #9 which came in at 36,980, the same could not be said of Hudlin's Black Panther whose number nine sold 40,173.

These are estimates of the sales on comic books (World of Wakanda and Black Panther) by Diamond U.S. to comic specialty stores during December 2016 courtesy of http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/36511/top-300-comics-actual-december-2016

The ranking is 46 for World of Wakanda and 61 for Black Panther according Comichron and ICv2.


With regards to Coates/Gay though... no, it didn't out SELL. it out SHIPPED. there is a huge difference between the two.

If you click "dollar" on comichron, it ranks them by how they actually SOLD.

WoW was massively over ordered or overshipped. Massively. Its drops 40+ spots if you sort it by actually money made.


I totally I called that this book would flop early. Unfortunately (or rather fortunately) the unmitigated hubris and delusions of both Gay and her pathetic, simp, sycophant, Coates (who is on the record saying that he's disregarding the fans) will continue this downward spiral.


We need a BP WOW relaunch as well as a BP Solo relaunch from REAL fan's of the character. To get him back to status quo. These two joker's need to go back to their day jobs

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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2017, 10:02:13 pm »
Pink slips are being prepared as we write...
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2017, 10:20:30 am »


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T'Challa the Black Panther Fires Roxane Gay


Roxane Gay! You have failed this comic!


Why are you sounding like Batman or is that Arrow?


You were the first so called black woman to write for Marvel, to write the premiere Afrakan so called black super hero... look what you have wrought.


"I was just so excited to write black queer women into the Marvel Universe..."


Black Panther World of Wakanda is supposed to be about me and my country. Exploring our rich history and expanding on my mythos through an Afro futurist lens not some LGBT fantasy trip.


What's wrong with writing about LGBT issues. Are you a Homophobe?


Why not write about Afrakan centered, culture consciousness as viewed through a nation of unconquered Afrofuturist? Did Coates actually interview you?
 

Yes. He asked me several questions. Which genres do you especially enjoy reading? And which do you avoid?

"I love literary fiction so long as it is not about (a) writers, (b) sad white people in sad marriages or (c) sad white writers in bad marriages. I know literary fiction tends to lack plot, but I don’t care. I also love spy thrillers, novels about drug cartels, and the like. I read a fair amount of poetry. I work pretty hard to avoid self-help books. I’m beyond the kind of redemption offered by those books."

Who is your favorite fictional hero or heroine? Your favorite antihero or villain?

"I have a real soft spot for Dirk Pitt from the Clive Cussler books when he still wrote them himself. Dirk is this amazing, handsome, brash, adventurous guy who loves the ocean and cars and his sidekick Al Giordino. And he just always knows what he needs to know exactly when he knows it. He wouldn’t get kicked out of bed is all I’m saying. And in the books, he doesn’t get kicked out of bed."

"My favorite villain is Annie Wilkes in Stephen King’s “Misery.” She was certainly . . . committed. You have to admire that. And I also recognize that beneath her pathology, she was just lonely. I understand what loneliness can make a woman do."

What kind of reader were you as a child? Which childhood books and authors stick with you most?

"I was a voracious reader as a child. Books were my escape and my salvation from being a nerdy little loser. The “Little House on the Prairie” books were certainly the most formative books for me. I read anything and everything I could get my hands on, and my parents did not censor my reading at all, so I also have fond memories of “The Clan of the Cave Bear” and the like. Things happened on pelts that blew my young mind."



WTF. You didn't mention one comic book character nor did you demonstrate any interest in comic books. You're fired!


Now you sound like Donald Trump...or is that Schwarzenegger. Wait... fired?


I will be bringing on Rembert Browne of New York Magazine to replace you. We're killing off Kasper Cole, another poor decision made without my consent. I call this killing two birds with one stone.


Wait you cant fire me... "I'm the first woman of color to write for Marvel."


I don't care.


Really? Sticks and stones Ms Gay, sticks and stones.
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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2017, 12:30:49 am »
The final issue of Roxane Gay's Black Panther World of Wakanda




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Re: Gay's World of Wakanda
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2017, 10:50:54 am »


Of all the poorly written iterations of the Black Panther as scribed by Maberry, Hickman, Coates and Gay I find the last two writers the most difficult to stomach. I think Gay is going out of her way to make Maberry look good as Hickman's BP can now be considered the best of the lot. The insults to both the Black Panther and Waknada continue unabated.

Everything from storytelling to the art is common and trite. Fight scenes, the use of grappling hooks, wardrobe and motorcycle crashes. Nothing that distinguishes Wakanda as the most scientifically and technologically advance nation on earth. Speaking of which what is Wakanda aversion to creating their own nanites? Stane is supplying the nanites to enhance Folami. DM commanders die easy not to mention an air of dismissal regarding the DM by a Wakandan man. This serves the black feminist agenda and continues the narrative of no one man hell no good men in Wakanda.

Gay finally got some of her friends I mean fans to post on her letter page. Speaking of which the ad for the next issue of WoW teased Kasper the once and (and future?) Black Panther. I won't be surprised if Gay returns for a second season despite declining sales.

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #4
$3.99
MAR
    17,454

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #3
$3.99
MAR
    25,248

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #2
$3.99
MAR
    45,009

BLACK PANTHER WORLD OF WAKANDA #1
$4.99
MAR
    57,073

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