Mighty "Whitey" Avengers= good

[Yaw]

But talking about Black Avengers= racist, segregative and bad

Gotcha...

Just making sure.

Gotta love the larger comic-buying demographic!

[Mastrmynd]

uh... is wonder man human?
cuz he's colored red when in his ionic form, right?

[Yaw]

uh... is wonder man human?
cuz he's colored red when in his ionic form, right?

Something happened to him. because he should be able to fly. 

SPOILER ALERT















I know in a recent issue of Frontline he suffered major injuries from the Goblins bombs and we haven't seen teh repercussions yet.

[Mastrmynd]

you know, you're right?
why IS the sentry holding him?

and his new playboy outfit isn't becoming of a superhero.
he looks like he is auditioning for "hart to hart 2007" or somethin'.

[Rockscissorspaper]

and his new playboy outfit isn't becoming of a superhero.

He's had that outfit at least since the early 80's. He also couldn't fly back then...without a rocket pack he wore on his belt. He seems to have regressed back to that state (minus rocket pack).

[Mastrmynd]

SEE?

now this is a political thread

[Hypestyle]

I remember for his early 90's solo series Wonder Man ditched the beltpods and started leaping to get around.. then of course he died in FORCE WORKS, and was thankfully brought back in Busiek's Avengers..  I guess we'll see what happened to him-- FWIW, I fail to see how Osborn's pumpkin bombs would affect him that drastically.. (but I didn't see the issue.. hmmm..)

[Yaw]

and his new playboy outfit isn't becoming of a superhero.
he looks like he is auditioning for "hart to hart 2007" or somethin'.

you said hart to hart lol

[Yaw]

BTW this may be a political discussion but is it really "Panther Politics?"

[JRCarter]

Speaking of Black Avengers:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99532

[JLI Jesse]

I don't think you can compare a "white avengers" to a "black avengers."  Say you have 100 characters, 90 of which are white, 10 of which are minority.  There is obviously a good chance that all characters are white, not through choice of skin color but by the numbers.

[Curtis Metcalf]

I don't think you can compare a "white avengers" to a "black avengers."  Say you have 100 characters, 90 of which are white, 10 of which are minority.  There is obviously a good chance that all characters are white, not through choice of skin color but by the numbers.

That is exactly the point.  Why should 90% of them be white?  What is that supposed to be representative of?  Must be somebody's fantasy because it is not representative of the US or the world.

Furthermore, for the sake of argument let's accept your premise of 100 characters, 90 white.  If 6 were chosen randomly, there is only a 52% chance they would all be white.  That is, even with the 90% white hypothesis, nearly half the 6 member teams formed should have at least one minority member.  If the observable evidence shows a higher incidence of all-white teams -- and I'll go out on a limb here and say that it does -- then the selection processes employed show bias.  What a surprise.

[Yaw]

I don't think you can compare a "white avengers" to a "black avengers."  Say you have 100 characters, 90 of which are white, 10 of which are minority.  There is obviously a good chance that all characters are white, not through choice of skin color but by the numbers.

and out of those "10" how many know each other, live in the same areas and/or worked with one another at some point. 

Avengers:
Falcon
Luke Cage
Monica Rambeau
Triatholon
Rage (never a full member)
Black Panther

Heroes for Hire:
Luke Cage
Misty Knight

New Warriors:
Night Thrasher
Silhouette
Bandit
Rage
Aegis
Debrii

The Crew:
Kasper Cole
Rhodey
Josiah X

Harlem Connection:
Luke Cage, Falcon, Debrii (maybe), Kasper Cole

New Orleans Connection:
Monica Rambeau, Brother Voodoo

Non-Superhero Team Comic Book Team up:
Black Panther, Falcon, Luke Cage, Goliath (kinda)
Black Panther, Brother Voodoo, Blade, Luke Cage
Black Panther, Night Thrasher
Black Panther, Storm
Storm, Misty Knight, Luke Cage
Brother Voodoo, Blade
Falcon, Kasper Cole

Interpersonal relationship:
Brother Voodoo and Blade have worked together on more than one occasion. <---BV and Blade buddy book??
Just about everyone has worked with and/or likes Black Panther.
Luke Cage dated Goliath's ex-wife
Bandit and Silhouette were an item (maybe still are).
Misty Knight was Jean Grey's roommate.  Storm was Jean Grey's best friend.
Luke Cage and Misty Knight are both good friends of Iron Fist (and maybe dated?)


I could go on.

The point is that a team-up of 3 would be more highly probable that 3 random white heroes due to the fact there are less degrees of separation.

[Yaw]

There are so many unused Black superheroes out there that it is ashame that MArvel won't try something different. 

Nope Sorry Black Panther isn't enough. Can I get another Wakandan title? Something.

The thing is I don't just want new Black superheroes, I want old heroes that seemed interesting to do SOMETHING.

Silhouette
BV
Monica Rambeau
Debrii
Bandit
Josiah X
etc.


I yelled out loud when I saw Brother Voodoo in BP #24.  I'm not lying.  I just couldn't help it.  I almost had a heart attack when I saw Silhouette actually doing something in Iron Man #14.

[JLI Jesse]

I admit I would love Monica to be on the Avengers and out of Nextwave which I hate, but when choosing between wonderman and Debrii, the answer is pretty obvious.  Personally, I have no idea who Silhouette or Bandit are, and as a result, would much rather have someone like Herc on the team. ( think he got shafted after being a big part of Caps CW team).  You might like the characters, and they may be good (I don't know) but they couldn't sustain their own title and probably would not be a good fit in the Avengers.

I'm not saying it is right that in the past, the popular characters were white (or at least much more white characters were introduced).  As a result there is a good chance most on the avengers would be white.  I would like to wish Sentry never existed past his original mini.  I wouldn't mind monica taking his spot.  But I'd also like Thor or Hawkeye there.

I always liked the line up Busiek made which was Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Vision, SW, Hawkeye, and Wonderman