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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #120 on: September 26, 2017, 09:25:05 am »
I'll never get the ridiculous praise of Patty Jenkins with WW


It was reported that James Cameron expressed similar concerns, not about the director of 'Wonder Woman' but the superheroine, Wonder Woman herself.  The rumor goes on that the female characters in his films are much more hardier than how Wonder Woman was characterized.

Personally, I couldn't give a  ___ck about Wonder Woman 'cause I despise dc comics & all of their characters.  :)

eh, there was nothing wrong with Gadot's WW... she was feminine without being sexualized and at the same time kicked ass.

She didn't need to look like Sarah Conner. She's a God.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #121 on: September 26, 2017, 09:51:00 am »

eh, there was nothing wrong with Gadot's WW... she was feminine without being sexualized and at the same time kicked ass.

She didn't need to look like Sarah Conner. She's a God.





Not interested in seeing Wonder Woman.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #122 on: November 05, 2017, 05:19:24 pm »
Would I like to be a Jedi? I think it would be more interesting if they had more than one person be a Jedi --- but I think that that is the one of the unspoken laws of Star Wars. They only have one who has to go away and train. [...] I hope it takes an interesting turn; not in terms of being a Jedi, but there are loads more stronger characters in the Star Wars universe that can go up against Jedi and they don't necessarily have to be a Jedi. [...] I would like to explore that more; the whole Boba Fett vibe. I would like to explore that for Finn, but who knows?


Poor boyega

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #123 on: November 06, 2017, 01:58:29 am »
Boyega knows his character was inadequate and not well defined and is hoping they'll throw him a bone or two. The idea that it's only one Jedi at a time doesn't even work for the original trilogy where we had Obi Wan and Yoda with Luke becoming a Jedi officially after defeating Vader. The prequels of course had multiple Jedi. Even Rebels has Kanan, Ezra as a padawan, and at least one ex-Jedi with Ahsoka.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #124 on: November 21, 2017, 09:26:57 am »
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/billy-dee-williams-lando-calrissian-wont-be-making-an-appearance-in-star-wars-the-last-jedi-a155591


I think that Rian Johnson's answer is b.s. to me, because some of this movie takes place on a casino planet. A casino planet is the perfect place for Lando. But this is more of how Lando was treated as an after thought in the now discounted Expanded Universe. I mean they can put all these other people in there but not Lando? Heck, the alien Lupita played in TFA could've easily been Lando. He never factors into these stories or when he does as he's in a b.s. role because they don't think to put him in there, which is a shame.

At least he was in an episode of Rebels and got a Marvel comics miniseries lately.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #125 on: November 21, 2017, 09:31:29 am »
Do they not realize Black people like Star Wars too?

Remember how excited people were when the first trailer hit wth black jedi?

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #126 on: November 21, 2017, 09:51:32 am »
Personally I don't think they care about black fans. Sure, they'll gladly take our money and it's beneficial to see black fans sprinkled among white ones to tout diversity. But is that diversity really for blacks, or just to make whites feel better about themselves? When I look at Finn particularly that is a black character that doesn't do much in terms of presenting a positive image for black kids. He has some good traits but they are overshadowed by the bad ones. And the other black characters have often been in the background, like wallpaper. They get diversity points but that's it. And I think that's the view whites have of blacks. It's finally okay for you to be seen after centuries, but you aren't supposed to say much. Unless it's to support the important white characters. And if you die you are unmourned and forgotten.

Now, I'm sure some will mention Finn, Lando, Saw, Mace, Korr Sella, the at least three 'black' female Jedi in the prequel films, even the one black Imperial cadet and the one Mandalorian (voiced by Gina Torres I believe) both in Rebels, but I think my statement stands. Look at how Lando has been treated. He is one of the  most iconic characters in the original films that they can't even come up with a decent idea of what he's been up to (to be fair, they screwed that up with Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, 3PO, and R2 as well). Mace is one of the best depicted black characters in Star Wars IMO, so I don't have many gripes there, though I wish we had seen more of him in action in the prequel films and in the Clone Wars cartoon. The black female Jedi were given short shrift, but so were a lot of prequel Jedi. The main problem I have with Saw is that they had him go out like a punk which didn't fit the character they had established as being a hardcore fighter. Let him go out fighting the Empire. He just wouldn't give up. I haven't watched enough Rebels to make a judgment about the black characters on there, but you don't see them on any of the promotional material (the pilot did get a YA book series though), so there you go in terms of how important they are to the overall story. There is also a black Imperial officer in the canon novels, but I haven't read them so I don't know how important she is. From what little I know she is not running things.

In comparison, Star Trek has depicted black characters far better. Just having Uhura on TOS was groundbreaking and then they had a black commodore and a black genius (albeit it he was mentally unstable) in Dr. Richard Daystrom. TNG had Geordi, and though they blueballed him, and had Data and Wesley be smarter than him, he still contributed. DS9 had Captain Sisko. They undercut him a little, but Sisko is the most well developed black character in any sci-fi show or movie I've seen ever. He was a good father, a tough fighter, a smart warrior, and a lover and family man. Sisko was also racially conscious. He didn't always get the screen time, but DS9 was a very well-written show. VOY had Tuvok. I didn't care for them having to make a Vulcan of all people mentally weak at times, but still I thought Tuvok was a worthy successor to Spock. I haven't watched all of VOY but I from what I've read they also gave Tuvok some shows to develop his character as well. Trek took a step back with ENT, and Mayweather was just sort of there. He got a handful of episodes throughout that show's run and even a little white treat in the final season, but he was never well developed. ENT at least had a black man, Emory Erickson, invent the transporter.  So two of the key geniuses in Trek lore are black.

The Abrams films beefed up Uhura's role and made her the third most prominently featured character behind Kirk and Spock. Discovery could push the ball even forward with the depiction of blacks and black female characters in particular with Michael Burnham. This is the first series since DS9 to be centered around a black character. And already Burnham, from what I've seen, read, and heard, Burnham is one of the brightest and most capable officers ever in Starfleet.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2017, 04:37:19 am »
Thanks for that


Star wars cintinuity is hard to keep up with since it spans all media

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2017, 05:41:21 am »
Watching Mr. John Boyega as a guest earlier this week on Jimmy Kimmel talking a little bit about the next episode of 'Star Wars' also reveals that he is recognized as Chief in his native homeland, Nigeria.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2017, 11:46:08 am »
it would be a shame for Lando to not have a reaction to Han's death.  there's no excuse to not bring him in for part 9.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Trailer)
« Reply #133 on: December 04, 2017, 06:53:08 pm »