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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #165 on: December 20, 2017, 09:29:04 am »
I don't think I posted yet, but I liked the movie.

The only part was a little much was Leia returning to the ship, but I've played enough SW games that I can live with it. lol
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #166 on: December 20, 2017, 09:39:28 am »
The Holdo maneuver breaks Star Wars

https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/20/16800970/vice-admiral-holdo-maneuver-the-last-jedi

I didn't read all of this, but this guy goes in-depth. Thanks for finding and posting.

Johnson perhaps has created the tactic with the Holdo Maneuver that the Resistance will use to level the playing field with the First Order going forward. Or J.J. Abrams could just ignore this and leave it as one of the cooler and distinctive things about The Last Jedi. As this writer points out that Johnson broke rules, so that sets a precedent that what he established can also be broken or tossed away as easily as he did for aspects of Star Wars lore.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #167 on: December 20, 2017, 11:21:52 am »

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #168 on: December 21, 2017, 04:04:02 am »
http://www.yahoo.com/news/surprise-surprise-alt-claims-credit-222815738.html

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/mark-hamill-opens-up-about-star-wars-the-last-jedi-hes-not-my-luke-skywalker-a156486

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-explains-leias-biggest-moment-and-why-carrie-fishers-scenes-werent-reshot-a156484

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-weighs-in-on-luke-skywalkers-allegiances-and-redemption-for-kylo-ren-a156485

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/20/spoilers-rian-johnson-talks-luke-skywalkers-place-star-wars-last-jedi/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/20/rian-johnson-hid-classic-star-wars-reference-last-jedi/

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-last-jedi-score-legit/

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/spoilers-new-star-wars-the-last-jedi-details-reveal-potentially-major-ramifications-for-episode-ix-a156489

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/spoilers-star-wars-the-last-jedi-here-are-all-the-best-celebrity-cameos-you-definitely-missed-a156424

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/solo-a-star-wars-story-actor-paul-bettany-confirms-a-lot-more-of-the-film-was-reshot-than-intended-a156487

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/dec/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-women-bechdel-test

http://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-star-wars-apos-fan-155003702.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/20/one-reason-the-last-jedi-is-a-masterpiece-it-shatters-our-star-wars-nostalgia/#428d3b0c1d4b

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/12/21/as-the-last-jedi-tops-600m-worldwide-can-star-wars-recover/#3963e199146e

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/21/no-rey-from-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-still-not-a-mary-sue/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454743/star-wars-last-jedi-review-lost-space

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454776/star-wars-failures-how-fix-franchise

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454564/star-wars-last-jedi-unoriginal-tone-deaf-mess

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/apos-star-wars-apos-trolls-145700770.html

http://thenerdsofcolor.org/2017/12/18/star-wars-the-last-jedi-and-moving-beyond-nostalgic-ownership/

http://gerryconway.tumblr.com/post/168656065013/star-wars-the-generations-time-to-talk-about

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/rey-parents-star-wars-last-jedi-populism.html

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/star-wars-prequels-midi-chlorians-defense.html

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-has-a-snoke-problem.html

http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/star-wars-politics-violence.html

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #169 on: December 21, 2017, 06:11:43 am »
I just felt the casino planet bit went on a bit too long.  Beyond that I liked it a lot.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #170 on: December 21, 2017, 06:17:19 am »
one of the most interesting aspects of this new trilogy is the fact it hasn't been planned out.

That seems so... odd to me. You would think the big plot points would have been planned out from the beginning, movie to movie.

instead, judging by Rian's comments, they aren't. It is just taken movie by movie and the directors just kinda make it up as they go along.

that is so... odd to me.

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« Reply #171 on: December 21, 2017, 06:25:56 am »
one of the most interesting aspects of this new trilogy is the fact it hasn't been planned out.

That seems so... odd to me. You would think the big plot points would have been planned out from the beginning, movie to movie.

instead, judging by Rian's comments, they aren't. It is just taken movie by movie and the directors just kinda make it up as they go along.

that is so... odd to me.

Good point. And from what I read he will be spearheading the next trilogy, so THAT will be planned out. Its just weird THIS one isn't. With the original actors aging you'd think an overarching cohesive story for all three movies would have been made before filming of the TFA started. Its mind boggling this trilogy this way.

Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but I wonder if Kylo's comments about old things need to die was a meta way of saying we just want to get rid of the gist of the Lucas films and get to the meat of what WE want to do. Maybe not, but otherwise its kinda strangely sloppy.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #172 on: December 21, 2017, 07:51:52 am »
The Holdo maneuver breaks Star Wars

https://www.theringer.com/2017/12/20/16800970/vice-admiral-holdo-maneuver-the-last-jedi

Hyperspace Jumps are tricky and unlike the New Order/Empire, who can seemingly crank out bigger and bigger Capital Ships without limit, the Rebellion/Republic can't(they tend to be perpetually outnumbered).

You have to figure anything less than a ship of near equal size won't cause the damage that the Raddus did.

Repeated suicide runs would see the Rebellion run out of Capital Ships way before the New Order did and they don't have ships to throw away.

Besides two could play that game. A Crazed Blood Knight Admiral(tm) could wipe out the entire Rebel fleet in a single engagement if they had the Rebs cornered (assuming you could get the crew to play along...).

There is no reason to think that kind of tactic would become wide spread given the drawbacks to it. The Rebellion has way more to lose than the New Order/Empire if that kind of tactic became widespread....
 

   
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #173 on: December 21, 2017, 08:21:26 am »
one of the most interesting aspects of this new trilogy is the fact it hasn't been planned out.

That seems so... odd to me. You would think the big plot points would have been planned out from the beginning, movie to movie.

instead, judging by Rian's comments, they aren't. It is just taken movie by movie and the directors just kinda make it up as they go along.

that is so... odd to me.

Good point. And from what I read he will be spearheading the next trilogy, so THAT will be planned out. Its just weird THIS one isn't. With the original actors aging you'd think an overarching cohesive story for all three movies would have been made before filming of the TFA started. Its mind boggling this trilogy this way.

Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but I wonder if Kylo's comments about old things need to die was a meta way of saying we just want to get rid of the gist of the Lucas films and get to the meat of what WE want to do. Maybe not, but otherwise its kinda strangely sloppy.

Looking at some of the pro-TLJ arguments from the press and blogs I get the impression that you're on the money about the meta meaning behind Kylo's words. They are praising Johnson for upending or tearing down Star Wars tropes. However, the danger is slashing and burning is that you destroy so much there's nothing or very little identifiable Star Wars left.

I also agree with you all about how unplanned these new films are. And it is odd that Disney would not have looked at how successful the well-planned MCU is doing, versus the more fly-by-night DCEU, and not working out a cohesive trilogy of films. Perhaps Disney was banking on the Star Wars brand to carry the films, and it is working, even despite the backlash against TLJ. I'm not certain if it's a case of Disney not quite knowing what to do and experimenting with different approaches-the too reverential TFA and then the too deconstructionist TLJ-as they try to find the right balance or formula-or that they want to open up Star Wars to different creative imprints to make it fresher (or have the apperance of freshness) and keep it more viable going forward. The Star Wars universe isn't as varied as the MCU though and even though there are tons of characters and stories in the Star Wars universe (as evidenced by the comics, books, cartoons, and video games) I don't know if there's enough support among the general audience to watch a film say about smugglers that doesn't have Han or Lando in it.

I do think the anthology films are also experiments to see how far they can push the brand, but Disney is slowly doing it by having the first two films set during the original trilogy era. They want to hedge their bets with the seemingly riskier anthology films, but decided to roll the dice with the saga film. Seems it should be the other way around.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #174 on: December 21, 2017, 10:11:03 am »
Saw it for the third time in imax 3d, been playing the John William's theme loud in my ride for the past week and I STILL have Star Wars fever. I watched all the spoiler reviews, the box office commentary, all the easter egg breakdowns, heard all the complaints and I don't care, I LOVED IT!

Matter fact I'm bout to smoke to Rey and Finn's Millennium Falcon escape from Jakku in The Force Awakens and put up my Christmas lights (better late than never). 

May the Force be with you, always!

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #175 on: December 21, 2017, 11:47:34 am »
http://www.cbr.com/star-wars-8-snoke-second-apprentice/

This gives me a thread of hope that we will get a legit villain in Episode IX. And I can see it eventually setting off a ton of theorizing after the hubbub dies down over TLJ.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #176 on: December 21, 2017, 12:03:50 pm »
I think it is ridiculous how much "extra" stuff is needed for these two movies honestly

comics, novels, director interviews, games

just to fill in all the holes.

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« Reply #177 on: December 21, 2017, 12:19:41 pm »
I feel you. I'm a big Star Wars fan and even though I'm lukewarm on TLJ, I still bought some toys, the visual dictionary, and some magazines. And I've been debating buying the soundtrack. I don't think any of this material should be needed to understand the film though. The story that is necessary should be on the screen and the other stuff should just be extra. Perhaps we are reaching a point, or have reached it, where a franchise like Star Wars, with such a big mythology and continuity, needs to have all this extra material. If they've reached that point, maybe in a few years Disney might just reboot the whole thing. I wonder how people would react to that?

I think they might be happy to see the prequels redone, but would raise hell about touching the original trilogy.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #178 on: December 21, 2017, 12:29:41 pm »
http://www.cbr.com/star-wars-8-snoke-second-apprentice/

This gives me a thread of hope that we will get a legit villain in Episode IX. And I can see it eventually setting off a ton of theorizing after the hubbub dies down over TLJ.


Eh, I am actually fine with the current status quo.

The New Order are basically the pissed off children of the old guard Imperials who got blown up on the Death Star (both of them) or the ones that got blown up with the Super Star Destroyer. Snoke was the only adult in the room and Kylo just merked him.

Just because the current leaders (Ren and Hux by default) are petty and short sighted doesn't make them any less dangerous. Who knows what havoc they will wreak just to prove they aren't punks?

I'm expecting a slight time skip (2-5 years) and the New Order split into 2 warring factions (Hux's and Ren's) by the next film.

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« Reply #179 on: December 21, 2017, 12:48:23 pm »
Good description of Snoke as the only adult in the room. You're right that Hux and Ren are dangerous, but because both are very not ready for prime time their reign of terror won't last long. Palpatine, Tarkin, the old Imperials, were far more methodical and felt really dangerous (granted I'm still looking at it from a nostalgia angle, but I still think they hold up as legit villains). I think Johnson had to pretty much wipe out the Resistance, reduce their numbers so much to make the First Order credible villains. And even in TLJ they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I can see Hux plotting against Ren under the table but not openly challenging him, so I'm skeptical that Hux would form a competing faction. Ren put a stop to that when he force choked the crap out of Hux in TLJ.

I hope they use the opportunity to feature the Knights of Ren, perhaps as Kylo Ren's enforcers, and also an administrator, like a Moff, to give a hint of how the First Order is run.

I would like this other apprentice to show up and be more of a legit threat. Perhaps even a Sith Lord. Make the character a female Sith, which would be a first in live action, and in keeping with the female-centric nature of the sequels. As it stands, I don't see how or why Ren would return to the dark side (and I can't see Disney not building on his relationship with Rey, since it's Abrams coming back and he's not the arsonist that Johnson turned out to be).

Like you I think there will be a time jump, though I'm thinking more like two-three years.
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