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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #256 on: January 11, 2018, 04:00:13 pm »
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #262 on: January 16, 2018, 06:14:54 am »
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-expanded-universe-story-that-lead-to-lucasfilm-re-w-1822092518

This sounds fishy to me. If Disney/Lucasfilm 'cared' so much for the fans and about Chewbacca why has he been relatively sidelined in the sequel films? And why have they killed off both Han and Luke? And why have they turned the original heroes into failures for the most part? Just sounds like Disney taking another swipe at the EU (i.e. old fans). Obviously Lucas himself was selective about what he took from the EU and what he left behind, and further, Clone Wars overwrote some stuff from the EU. Disney could've done the same thing. And Disney is continuing to be selective in re-canonizing EU characters and planets on Rebels. It wouldn't have been much of a stretch to bring over a lot of the EU they liked and been clear about saying we are overwriting Chewbacca's death, which I think some EU fans would've been happy about because Chewbacca's death in the NJO wasn't well-received by some. Further, Disney/Lucasfilm to some extent have mimicked the EU anyway. Rey is similar to Jaina Solo. Kylo Ren is similar to Jacen Solo. I can't think of any ready analogies for Finn and Poe. Poe perhaps takes aspects of Kyp Durron, but for Finn, nothing comes to mind. There might be a more direct inspiration for Poe in the EU but I wasn't a fan of the X-wing series or characters much so I'm likely missing someone.

There is also a New Republic in the EU and there's an Imperial Remnant, the remains of the Galactic Empire. There's even an incredibly powerful dark side user who isn't a Sith like Snoke in Abeloth who was the main villain of The Fate of the Jedi novel series, the last big EU novel series.

What the EU did though was build the Jedi Order, not tear it down. It introduced a lot more Jedi. It also created at least three major enemies besides the Sith. I'm looking at when Del Ray took over the novel line. There were also alien antagonists during the Bantam run but I didn't read those books. For the Del Ray run there was the Yuuzhan Vong, the insectoid Killiks, and Abeloth. There were also other Sith like Lumiya, Caedus, the Lost Tribe of Sith, and the One Sith. I thought there were a lot of cool things in the EU, much cooler than what we've got so far in the sequels and I wish Disney wasn't so hellbent on throwing shade at the EU instead of adapting parts of it.

I think they should adapt:
Thrawn trilogy
Dark Empire
New Jedi Order (Yuuzhan Vong War)
Legacy of the Force
Fate of the Jedi

If they did that they would have movies to last for about 20 or more years, that have more of a cohesive vision than the herky jerky approach Disney is taking now.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/everything-star-wars-has-reintroduced-from-the-old-expa-1792224856

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #263 on: January 16, 2018, 06:17:43 am »
i cant remember a thing Chewie has done other than shoot a couple people and then kylo with the bow staff thing

(of course i cant remember much of what he's done in the OT either lol)

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #264 on: January 16, 2018, 06:27:13 am »
http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/01/16/star-wars-the-last-jedi-let-the-past-die-rian-johnson/

I just skimmed this. I feel like Johnson is backtracking. And it's odd to start backing off from the film since it's the top grossing film of last year. Perhaps Disney senses that the mixed reaction by a likely small, yet vocal minority, rocked them a little.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/01/15/box-office-star-wars-the-last-jedi-was-never-sink-or-swim-for-disney/#70ee5a9f3d0c

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #267 on: January 17, 2018, 12:58:30 pm »
http://geektyrant.com/news/joseph-gordon-levitt-defends-star-wars-the-last-jedi-in-an-essay-he-wrote

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
« Reply #269 on: January 20, 2018, 05:11:25 am »
http://www.cbr.com/star-wars-last-jedi-leia-force-use-explained/

http://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rian-johnson-force-projection-canon/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2018/01/19/star-wars-the-last-jedi-heads-toward-final-global-total-of-1-3-billion/#7f7c56094a56

Perhaps engaging  on social media is just a normal thing now, but it feels to me that Johnson defending the film, searching for proof to back up his creative decisions just feels weak, like he's overly defensive. I had some issues with the film-the Force powers not being one of them-but dude, the film has earned over a billion, it's the highest grossing film of 2017, and currently he has three more Star Wars films to make (though I am skeptical about that, but it's in the news) so why is he wasting time defending (or at best explaining) his decisions on social media?

It shows me that despite the monstrous box office that Disney/Lucasfilm didn't get the complete reaction they wanted. They aren't going to exceed Force Awakens and this film isn't as universally embraced as TFA was, back when it came out, and that could be a trouble sign down the road for future films. Ergo, Johnson out defending his film, the Hollywood press touting the film's box office success, and also criticizing detractors and providing 'justifications' for the film's story/character choices. It almost feels like a full court press to salvage the reputation of the movie. the box office is good, but I see it more now having a perception problem and Disney wants to take care of that.