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Recast TChalla
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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2022, 07:07:30 am »
https://youtu.be/g_7cbZNQ3Ng


They're going to avoid recasting T'Challa if at all possible, and the only time they'll really think about it is when the current cast of BP actors are too old for the role...and Coogler is no longer directing BP in the MCU. They'd start over with new actors portraying everyone: PRINCE T'Challa as a teen or new Prince. KING T'Chaka and Queen Ramonda will be on the throne. Uncle S'yan or Uncle N'jobo [ Sterling K. Brown just merked that role, didn't he? ] will be in full effect. Prince T'Challa? Has to earn his title as Prince. He has to go on his Walkabout. That's how he meets teenage Ororo [ nod to Eric Jerome Dickey, may he R.I.P. ] We're looking at another 5 years before #recastTChalla has a real shot at becoming a genuine reality.

Marvel Phase 6 or 7 will be underway. And that's when we MIGHT have our T'Challa back.
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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2022, 05:59:55 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WMVTU4ecY

E-Man starts talking about Wakanda Forever around an hour forty minutes in.

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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2022, 04:52:15 am »
3 Ways Wakanda Forever Boycott Is Ridiculous!

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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2022, 12:36:21 pm »
After Chadwick Bosemanís Iconic Black Panther, Should King TíChalla Be Recast?


http://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/opinion/black-panther-chadwick-boseman-wakanda.html

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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2022, 08:49:17 pm »
I Honestly really find it funny that the no Recast crowd basically says "There no Black male actor around who we should push to take the mantle because they are GOING to fail to appease us and we shouldn't ask to put an actor on that line of fire" as if this is actually true Despite Y'lan Noel volunteering an expressing interest in the role. But we should demand more black heroes. Could you imagine of they did that for white heroes? There would be none left. It's such a ignorant argument and is nonsensical. They should be using that argument to push for More black female heroes instead of only when a Black males are successful
 

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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2022, 04:28:24 am »
Roxane Gayís article wasnít as venomous as I was anticipating. It felt more like Disney was applying the velvet glove approach before coming hard with the pimp hand if the Recast and Boycott side of fandom gains more steam.

This idea that no other (male) actor can replace Boseman is undercut by the fact that it appears that another Black Panther (a female BP) will be in this film.  So the supposed pressures that would face a recast TíChalla will also be faced by whoever is given the mantle. The reason Gay, and others perhaps, donít see the contradiction in this argument is because they are ready to bat down any griping or questioning of Shuri or another female BP as sexism, misogyny, and misogynoir. They would rather do that than see another black man shine in the role or have to defend Disneyís recasting choice.  They don't know how to defend straight black men (or straight black male characters), especially living ones. Because we donít know for certain that a woman will be the next Black Panther, they canít fully go in yet and paint Recast/Boycott as sexist.

While it would be very tough for any actor to step in as TíChalla, itís also an opportunity. And itís not supposed to be said, but another actor might be as good or even exceed Bosemanís performance. I think some people are so stuck on Bosemanís performance-not just because it was very good-but because he was the first person to play the role in live-action. So heís defined the role.  But for comic book fans I think the idea of recasting or even seeing Bosemanís take on the role as one of many, and not necessarily definitive, is easier to accept than a person who only is familiar with the character based on the MCU. For me, Christopher Priestís TíChalla was the best version of the character; Priestís run wasnít flawless, but he got it close enough, and second would be Hudlin.

Just like how Marvel/Disney and the mainstream media will cover the wagons for Shuri as BP the same could be done for any male recast in the role. And while it would provoke backlash from some, it would also bring out sympathy and empathy from others. If Feige had said that recasting was the best way to honor Boseman, I suspect a good deal of the anti-recasters would be mouthing his words like puppets.

Itís ironic and sad how many of these so-called ďempoweredĒ people will do the bidding of Disney/Marvel and are given an op-ed in the New York Times to push the corporate line. I donít like this kind of war against fans. Itís like people arenít supposed to have the right to support art/entertainment they donít like or have serious issues about. If artists wanted to do something that simply pleased them alone, they shouldnít be out seeking money from other people because once you do that you open yourself to making art that is accessible and enjoyable to the masses. Fan feedback is something that should be welcomed as much as fan money is, and not looked down upon. Gay wants to talk about "opinionated" fans without also acknowledging that some of their barbs might be due not just to them being inflexible but due to creatives-like Gay-who are put on projects that they might do very well on. However, there's no room for self-reflection there. Just because Gay, Coates, Okorafor, Ridley, and others are celebrated in one literary realm doesn't mean that they are great comic book writers or that they were good fits for the Black Panther franchise.

That said, there is a balancing act between putting a good story together and simply doing what fans want, especially when it comes to defining who the fans are and what they want. Notice that Gay didnít say anything about corporationsí molding art to fit what they want, or think is acceptable. Warner shelved the Batgirl film (with an Afro-Latina lead no less) in part because they didnít think it was quality, and where is Gayís article decrying that?

I feel Gay, and not just her, are proposing is that good storytelling and listening or ďpanderingĒ to fans are mutually exclusive. Of course, when the first Black Panther and now Wakanda Forever panders to black feminists, thatís not an issue.

And Gay gives us other people to look toward, not unlike how the Hollywood media offered different black films to look at instead of Nate Parkerís Birth of a Nation. I donít discount any of the choices she lists, but Marvel can, and should, expand and diversify their superhero offerings and still recast TíChalla. Marvel made the choice to go with Carol Danvers instead of Monica Rambeau as Captain Marvel. Marvel hasnít put a Storm movie out yet, or any of the other black female mutants. Marvel could be doing a Moon Girl movie instead of a Disney Plus cartoon. Marvel could be doing a Daughters of the Dragon or Valkyrie series or movie. Marvel could recast TíChalla while doing a spin off movie with Shuri, Nakia, Okoye, and the other Doras. To their credit, I imagine many of the Doras will be in the Wakanda Disney Plus series. There is also Ironheart coming, and Rambeau I imagine will have a prominent, but supporting, role in the Marvels film. Heck, if Marvel felt that their roster of black female heroes is insufficient to be headliners thereís nothing stopping them from creating brand new ones and promoting the heck out of them.

My point is that they donít have to kill off TíChalla to expand the slate, and itís dismissive to so easily dismiss a character with a close to five decades publishing history, more than any other black hero to my knowledge, and more than many white or other non-black characters as well. Further, as many have done a better job on You Tube, etc., explaining, none of the other black characters-including males-at Marvel bring to the table what TíChalla brings. Even Blade, and no one is saying anything about him being recast, despite how Wesley Snipes inaugurated the character in live-action and for a generation is the definitive Blade.

When it comes to mantles, just about every major hero identity now has become a mantle. Thereís a legacy of Spawns and Witchblades, thereís been more than one Wonder Woman, Batman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Hulk, and now Thor even. However, when it comes down to it, thereís usually one thatís the defining or focal point, and for the Black Panther mythos thatís TíChalla. Heís the one that Marvel has kept coming back to, and fans have wanted the most to see more of. Side trips are fine, but people keep coming back to him. To ignore that history out of a misguided disdain for black males and black male superheroes, cloaked in the language of honoring Chadwick Boseman, has made Wakanda Forever more divisive than the first movie and I think that will affect the box office.

Wakanda Forever will not flop, but I doubt it will exceed the box office of the original film. And I have to wonder if Disney is a little shook right now that the Recast movement is out there and now thereís an offshoot Boycott movement. They are eager to paint this side of fandom as evil, and Gay has hinted at that, but thereís not enough ďproofĒ for them to go on just yet. As we get closer to the film, we might start seeing a stronger push back from the anti-recasters.

Wakanda Forever didnít have to even come out this year. I think everyone wouldíve understood if Marvel pushed the movie back to allow for a proper grieving process and then perhaps they wouldíve warmed to the idea of recasting. This was a choice Disney/Marvel made (Iím not putting it on Coogler, though heís the face of it), because if Coogler had said no to recasting, and Fiege wanted to recast, who do we think would win that debate? In a way I feel this idea that they had no choice, that it was the best they could do under trying circumstances isnít quite true. Definitely the circumstances were trying, tragic, and itís not a spot I would like to be in, but at the same time they couldíve held back on this film as well. Itís a pickle they put themselves in after Chadwick Bosemanís passing and are now trying to say they had no choice but to not recast.

From just the sliver provided in the teaser trailer I donít see much honoring of TíChalla or Boseman even at all because the line has blurred. It comes across more like they are using Bosemanís death to stir up interest. Shouldnít a king have a statue and not (or just) a George Floyd-style mural? Perhaps a statue is in the film proper and I am reading too much into it, right now, but that does stick out to me. And the playing out of black women grieving and black people mourning performatively evokes too much of the nightly news. It strips the appealing Afrofuturistic fantasy from the Black Panther franchise.  Itís like Disney is calling us to be spectators at a cinematic lynching. This will be the MCU's first black trauma porn movie.

One more thing, when Gay listed the creators she wants us to look to, it didnít go unnoticed that they were all female, so even there, she canít think of one black male (gay, straight, or otherwise) to include on the list. It was also notable that most of the women listed aren't involved in comics or superhero projects. DuVernay's New Gods never happened and Coel is just stepping into the MCU, but far as I know she's not writing or doing anything with any other MCU/DC or comic book project. So to mention this slate of creatives does little  to bolster her argument about expanding the choice of comic book superheroes. She couldn't even think of black women involved in the comics business.
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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2022, 12:34:03 pm »
Truly, e-man has made such a strong tightly written recast movement that the anti recast crowd can't do anything to fight against it, because the petition covers everything thru would throw at it. So they start saying stupid stuff like "trust Disney or marvel, or Coogler" even though Disney has shown they can easily make mistakes, and Coogler currently was out into a bind that can easily break a movie.

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Re: Recast TChalla
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2022, 04:53:58 am »
Top 10 T'Challa Recast

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