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Should the MCU Recast T'Challa the Black Panther

Yes, for an actor who will further the Black Panther tradition started by Chadwick Boseman
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Marvel is going the celebrity writer route again. This time they got a writer who actually has proven himself in the world of fiction way more than Coates had at the time he was chosen, though Ridley doesn't seem to make liberal hearts go pitter pat as much as Coates, despite his success in Hollywood.

Ridley definitely has the bona fides but I'm not sure about this. I really enjoyed his American Way comic, which felt like his take on Watchmen mixed with the Civil Rights Movement. The sequel though wasn't as good to me. I also liked his two superhero novels (Those Who Walk in Darkness and What Fire Cannot Burn), which I felt were inspired by the X-Men, however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist,
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including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Ridley also got in some hot water a few years back by putting a South Asian woman at the heart of a story about British Black Panthers, and to my recollection his reasoning was because he's in an interracial relationship. Also, Ridley wrote the Red Tails script, and while I can't say how much of that was used in the movie, the good moments in it were also matched by some cringing and cartoonish ones.

Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.

So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a162/esq1206blackessay-108/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna17121916

http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/essays/ridley.htm

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from what I have gathered from folk's at the cbr BP forums. Ridley for Batman has done an excellent job of focusing on the male protagonist and having the world revolve around him. It's too early to tell but of he is someone who will focus on T'Challa and his motivations and treat him well, then I can accept that. I still will be rooting for Redjack to make his mark and his is still my top pick. So fingers crossed for that on the near future

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however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist,
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including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Ridley also got in some hot water a few years back by putting a South Asian woman at the heart of a story about British Black Panthers, and to my recollection his reasoning was because he's in an interracial relationship. Also, Ridley wrote the Red Tails script, and while I can't say how much of that was used in the movie, the good moments in it were also matched by some cringing and cartoonish ones.

Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.

So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a162/esq1206blackessay-108/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna17121916

http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/essays/ridley.htm

http://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2017/04/09/freida-pinto-black-panther.html#!




I reduced the excellent post to our brother to the main areas of worry and concern. There should never. Ever. Be a legit worry that a given author will do the character s/he/they are supposed to write dirty. Their past works should put such concerns beyond even a quark of concern. The very fact that we are here having legitimate trepidation is all the proof we need that Ridley shouldn't be here, and is all the condemnation necessary of the way that 616 is treating T'Challa's solo book. Like the Derek Chauvin trial? There should never have been a moment's doubt that Chauvin would be instantly convicted and sent to death [ if Minnesota state law allowed such ] or life in prison [ if the death penalty wasn't an option ]. The very fact that such didn't occur and even worse we were all on pins and needles that Chauvin could walk off completely free [ like he was FOR WEEKS AFTER HIS MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS BROADCAST ROUND THE WORLD ] is alll the evidence needed to prove that this justice eviscerating state of affairs should never ever ever have existed in the first place and COULD NOT exist in a just and good society.

Redjack would be the scribe of BP in a just and good society. The very fact that we have legit doubts about Ridley is precisely why he shouldn't even be considered for the job, when we have a Redjack around. A Redjack who absolutely killed it both on Disney.com cartoon Black Panther and with his KiB tie in. Given Redjack's KiB universally and resoundingly good reviews? I'm sure that the book sold a solid amount of units [ who can get sales figures and compare them to TurnCoates' drivel in the same, previous and succeeding months? ]

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however I didn't like all the things that he did with the black female protagonist,
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including killing her off halfway through the second book (even though it was a shocking twist and subverted expectations), and then replacing her with an Asian female protagonist.
Ridley also got in some hot water a few years back by putting a South Asian woman at the heart of a story about British Black Panthers, and to my recollection his reasoning was because he's in an interracial relationship. Also, Ridley wrote the Red Tails script, and while I can't say how much of that was used in the movie, the good moments in it were also matched by some cringing and cartoonish ones.

Over decade ago, Ridley wrote a very questionable and IMO coonish essay for Esquire. I can't say he still has these views but I don't really care to see him use T'Challa to play out his racial fantasies or ideas like Coates did.

So, while Ridley definitely has the genre/comics pedigree (I haven't read his Batman books but I would like to, and I also haven't read his Authority work), and I think can deliver better written stories and characters, I'm not sure if he won't just turn out to be a slightly more tolerable, refined Coates. I do imagine that his T'Challa might dither less and kick a little more ass though than Coates.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a162/esq1206blackessay-108/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna17121916

http://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/essays/ridley.htm

http://www.bet.com/celebrities/news/2017/04/09/freida-pinto-black-panther.html#!




I reduced the excellent post to our brother to the main areas of worry and concern. There should never. Ever. Be a legit worry that a given author will do the character s/he/they are supposed to write dirty. Their past works should put such concerns beyond even a quark of concern. The very fact that we are here having legitimate trepidation is all the proof we need that Ridley shouldn't be here, and is all the condemnation necessary of the way that 616 is treating T'Challa's solo book. Like the Derek Chauvin trial? There should never have been a moment's doubt that Chauvin would be instantly convicted and sent to death [ if Minnesota state law allowed such ] or life in prison [ if the death penalty wasn't an option ]. The very fact that such didn't occur and even worse we were all on pins and needles that Chauvin could walk off completely free [ like he was FOR WEEKS AFTER HIS MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS BROADCAST ROUND THE WORLD ] is alll the evidence needed to prove that this justice eviscerating state of affairs should never ever ever have existed in the first place and COULD NOT exist in a just and good society.

Redjack would be the scribe of BP in a just and good society. The very fact that we have legit doubts about Ridley is precisely why he shouldn't even be considered for the job, when we have a Redjack around. A Redjack who absolutely killed it both on Disney.com cartoon Black Panther and with his KiB tie in. Given Redjack's KiB universally and resoundingly good reviews? I'm sure that the book sold a solid amount of units [ who can get sales figures and compare them to TurnCoates' drivel in the same, previous and succeeding months? ]

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I understand what you're saying, but I keep it foremost in my mind that we aren't the ones picking the writers/creators T'Challa unfortunately. We do get to vote with our dollars though, and of course we have great forums like this to express trepidation, displeasure, disgust, or support and joy for those artists who do right by the characters we care about.

I do think Ridley is a good writer. He's one that isn't afraid to look at social issues, particularly race, so I can see him diving into that issue more head on that Coates. I've only read Ridley's American Way which featured a black male protagonist, and I found that character to mostly be positive. Ridley can write complicated characters and that can be a good thing. His black female protagonist from his superhero novels was also complicated, and perhaps a bit less likeable than the American Way guy. So I imagine that Ridley might like the antihero, ambiguous heroes. Which could mean a return to Priest's Machiavellian T'Challa.

I was reading a recent interview from him where he was dismissing (largely white I'm assuming) fan complaints about a black Batman, by saying he's only writing for his sons and maybe if he keeps that same kind of energy he might deliver a strong T'Challa.

I do have reservations about Ridley, but I would have reservations just about anyone that got the job, after Coates. I was very excited when I heard Coates got the job. I had been reading his Atlantic essays about race for a while by that point and found his writing to be quite good and perceptive, and that's what made me subscribe for the first time for a book. And he lost me on the very first page. There's something to the fury of a woman scorned, but also to that of a comics fan burned. And Coates burned me. So I can't go on how good a writer might be before Marvel taps them anymore.

And when I think about it, it's been very sketchy way before they picked Coates. It got sketchy after Hudlin left the book. There's been years of deconstruction. I can at least say that Ridley is a better choice than one of the younger woke or black feminist writers they could've been given the book to like Vita Ayala, Roxanne Gay, or Nnedi Okorafor. I also think Ridley is a better choice than David F. Walker. Walker is very iffy with me. Sometimes he's on, but other times, his reach exceeds his grasp IMO, and I've read nothing after his first Shaft graphic novel that has matched or bested how good that book was.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bryan Hill get a crack at T'Challa. I thought his Deathblow series, from what I read, was interesting. His Batman/Outsider series not as much, though he didn't do terribly writing Black Lightning or Duke Thomas. He could've done more with them, especially BL since he was supposed to be the leader, but still, nothing as embarrassing or disheartening as Coates did with T'Challa. And Hill's villain Ishmael has already made it to live-action on the Black Lightning show, which is neat.

Perhaps Ridley will wind up giving us a 'black excellence' T'Challa (and to some extent Hudlin's T'Challa was a forerunner of that), but right now I don't see how that could be worse than a self-defeating, self-doubting, and self-hating T'Challa in a dystopic Wakanda that we got courtesy of Coates.
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Basically at this point, I have to see an interview with the guy to pass judgement. I was one of the people who, while seeing the redflags of Coates on his interviews decided to give him a chance still and got burned hard. So now anyone outside of Geoffrey Thorne aka Redjack, I am going need to see some stuff that supports he is on this to elevate T'Challa first and foremost. Only Redjack gets a pass, partly due to seeing an interview already when he was doing the KiB tie in, and also because he has been very active on the CBR and has proven he is in this for T'Challa above all else

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Ridley does have interviews out there regarding his Batman book and also his Other History of DC Comics that might give you a sense of his views. I've put some of that stuff before in the Writer's forum and I'll throw some I've found here too.

Another thing that came to mind about Ridley is I could see his T'Challa being involved in an interracial relationship. He did that in What Fire Cannot Burn and Red Tails, and in the controversy over his British Black Panthers movie, his real life interracial relationship factored into his creative decisions. I could see that also factoring into his creative decisions for whatever he has in store for Black Panther as well.

http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-next-batman-second-son-interview/

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/arts/new-batman-is-black.html

http://www.theroot.com/john-ridley-talks-reshaping-both-the-past-and-future-of-1846158002

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/john-ridley-comic-book.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-ridley-unveils-history-dc-universe-1307027/

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/2020/11/23/Other-History-of-the-DC-Universe-gives-a-voice-to-diverse-characters/7381605901786/

http://www.cbr.com/john-ridley-other-history-of-the-dc-universe-interview/

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-other-history-of-the-dc-universes-john-ridley-on-gi-1845452906

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9957776

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-ridley-politics-superheroes-history-repeating-american-way-1030294/

http://io9.gizmodo.com/john-ridleys-the-american-way-explores-how-institutiona-1796835647

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/john-ridley-talks-tackling-race-american-crime-anthology-1013022/
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Black Panther waxwork unveiled at Madame Tussauds by Arsenal's Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
The figure was unveiled by Arsenal footballer and Black Panther fan Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, who was given a preview.



Black Panther is the next Avenger to assemble in Madame Tussauds after the waxwork was unveiled at the iconic London venue.

The king of Wakanda has joined the Marvel Hall of Heroes at the tourist attraction alongside Captain Marvel and the Hulk.

It features a futuristic "vibranium effect", named after the fictional metal mined in the secret city, which makes the figure glow when fans touch it.

The figure was unveiled by Arsenal footballer and Black Panther fan Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, who was given a preview of the statue.

Aubameyang pulled the Black Panther Wakanda Forever pose in 2020 after he scored against Liverpool, in a tribute to the late actor Chadwick Boseman.

Boseman, who played Black Panther, died at the age of 43 last year, after a four-year-long private colon cancer diagnosis.

Aubameyang said: "People know that I'm a huge fan of Black Panther and the panther is also a huge part of our national team in Gabon, so I couldn't say no when Madame Tussauds London asked me to help them unveil their newest figure.

"I love the way they even have the vibranium in the suit light up."

Aubameyang, who visited Madame Tussauds with wife Alysha and sons Pierre and Curtys, added: "It was great to be able to bring my family with me to meet one of my heroes and I hope my fans and their families will be able to make special memories together again soon."

Black Panther was the only Marvel film to get a best picture nod at the Oscars, and grossed more than $1.3bn at the box office.

A sequel is in the works at Marvel, with the company confirming the title role will not be recast.

Boseman was widely tipped to posthumously win the best actor award at this years Oscars for his role in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. The award was won by Welshman Anthony Hopkins.


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Re: HEF of BP - Black Panther waxwork unveiled at Madame Tussauds
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Black Panther's Okoye Shows Off Awesome New Powers in Comic Sneak Peek
Preview pages for Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 show Black Panther's Okoye putting her new powers on full display against a powerful opponent.

BY JAMES HEINRICHS




SPOILER WARNING for Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6!

The Wakandan warrior Okoye recently gained her very own superpowers in Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon, and a new preview for the upcoming issue shows that she will finally be putting these abilities to use. One of Black Panther’s most trusted allies, Okoye is a fierce warrior in battle and a loyal defender of Wakanda. And now that undead warriors have begun to invade her city and a masked assailant slays several of her soldiers, Okoye gets roped into Danny Rand’s mystical journey to save the cosmic balance.

Iron Fist and Okoye’s initial confrontation comes as quite a shock for everyone, as Danny and his band of heroes find the Wakandan general holding the heart of a dragon that lies dead at her feet. Believing that the dragons are needed to stop the evil Hidden City from destroying everything, Iron Fist sees Okoye’s actions as a betrayal. While Okoye tries to explain that the dragon chose her to be its new champion though, she begins to absorb the dragon’s chi. Having gained his own powers similarly, Danny realizes what is happening and accuses Okoye of stealing the power before charging in to fight her.

During their brawl, both heroes hold back from drawing upon their chi powers, which summons Quan Yin, the Mother of Mercy. Quan Yin explains that Okoye is not an enemy and that she will be vital to defeating the true enemy, the Hidden City’s hierophant. Before long, the hierophant arrives to kill the Mother of Mercy, and Okoye teams up with Iron Fist and his allies to stop the villain. The hierophant proves too powerful for the heroes to stop, but luckily Danny’s friend, Fooh, is able to distract the villain as the team teleports to the Hidden City

Upon their arrival, the heroes are ambushed by the Ghost Dragon of the Hidden City, which Iron Fist claims are the hierophant’s weakness. This is where Larry Hama, Dave Wachter, Neeraj Menon, and Travis Lanham’s Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 picks up, as Okoye, Danny, and the rest of their party try desperately to fight the gigantic beast. Despite having just gotten her powers, Okoye already seems proficient with them, even managing to focus her chi into the end of her spear. Plus, having Iron Fist there to give instructions doesn’t hurt at all.

Here are the preview pages and brief, cryptic synopsis for the upcoming issue:














IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON #6
THE END OF HEAVEN? The dragons have fallen. A champion rises. An ending…and a new beginning?
As one of the only heroes that is doing any damage in this fight, Okoye’s powers are already proving to be a major upgrade. Of course, she’s already an incredibly skilled warrior, but with a dragon’s chi flowing through her, she’s even more of a threat to her opponents. It remains to be seen whether or not this will be a permanent change for the character, but having Okoye act as a new Iron Fist would be an exciting change of pace for the Wakandan. Those hoping to see the rest of the story can buy Iron Fist: Heart of the Dragon #6 from Marvel Comics later this week.


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Seems like they have some interesting plans for Okoye, in comics and in live action. Danai Gurira is a good actress and definitely can carry a series or a movie/franchise. I didn't like the slick crap she said once about Black Americans shouldn't play continental Africans, which is very ironic owing her claim to fame was playing Michonne, and she also has played Afeni Shakur, but she's still got the skills to make for an interesting lead character in a Marvel production or beyond.

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THE SAVAGE BLACK PANTHER BATTLES THE IMMORTAL HULK!

Our king once outside of the confines of the Coatesverse consistently demonstrates why he "is the most dangerous man alive." The Hulk is once again on a rampage and this time he has company. It is up to Black Panther and his Avengers to quell the raging beast who was once an ally.



T'Challa the Black Panther informed the Hulk that this would be a different fight. No mercy, no holds barred. King T'Challa informed the gamma fueled behemoth of such before gouging out his eyes. Savage!




Blinded, Ol' Jade Jaws swings and connects with Mjollnir and quite literally handicaps himself.




The Immortal Hulk pulls a new trick from up his sleeve.






Coercing the Black Panther to decisively disarm "the strongest one there is." Savage.





The King of the Wakandas tells the King of Asgard to breathe easy and that that he will take it from here.




T'Challa the Black Panther follows the ancient Wakandan edict and puts the blade where it belongs. Savage.




This is how our Black Panther meets his challenges. Intelligent, prepared, decisive and savage. I also appreciated the fact that he used his canon based personal weaponry. I think they proved more useful than the Hulkbuster armor T'Chall invented. As such is the case with armors and Hulk, T'Challa had very similar results as did Stark. We have always known the Black Panther can build an armor but he really doesn't need to. The Black Panther is at his best when he stays in his uniquely original lane. Nuff said....savage.











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I would Also like to add they Jens description of T'Challa was also spot on and shows Ewing knows how to write T'Challa. She has seen T'Challa angry but what he did was CALCULATION. SAVAGE indeed

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I read you loud and clear Ezyo but I have to admit I don't believe 616 Thor could be so easily suffocated, especially in so short a time.




THOR ANNUAL #6 (1977)


In those days Superman could pull multiple planets.

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Emperor T'Challa attends wedding of Dr. Doom... and doesn't expect a trap?!?









That first scene with the reporter looked like it was copied right from the BP wedding issue. This is why sometimes it is just best not to include the Black Panther in these crossovers. No editor nor writer worth his/her salt; with just half a granule of historic knowledge; with just an inkling aptitude for research would have T'Challa the Black Panther attend Doom's wedding... especially ill prepared and without a plan. Remember...











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X Men terraform Mars! Make major declaration!









While its visuals are impressive, this feat maybe beneath the notice of Emperor T'Challa. Mutant hubris has them renaming Okyin Bena (traditional Afrakan name) to Arakko, like the Romans before them did in calling the Okyin (planet) Mars. Knowing no limits in their pomposity the X Men claimed ownership of the entire planet and had the audacity to declare it the capitol of the solar system. A bold move, they should tread carefully less they catch the notice of he who rules the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda.










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A popular MCU character emerges in September's The Last Annihilation specials
By Michael Doran

Marvel Comics' The Last Annihilation continues in September with two new one-shots including a hero turn for M'Baku?



Marvel's latest sequel to Annihilation, one of the modern Marvel Comics' most successful event storylines and something of a precursor to the success of Guardians of the Galaxy in the MCU, continues in September.

That month the new iteration of the event continues in a pair of one-shots The Last Annihilation: Wakanda #1 and The Last Annihilation: Wiccan and Hulkling #1. Both 40-page specials feature a pair of Marvel's cosmic players pitted against traditional Doctor Strange villain Dormammu (who was revealed as the event's adversary last month) and his 'Mindless Army,' in what Marvel calls "a senseless war."

The Last Annihilation: Wakanda #1 is written by Evan Narcisse with art by Germán Peralta and covers by Philip Tan and Ernanda Souza. In the special Black Panther enlists the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda to help stop the Dormammu. And in an interesting twist that calls back to the MCU's Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame, T'Challa recruits M'Baku to lead the Wakandan forces.

T'Challa and M'Baku (otherwise known as Man-Ape) are traditionally bitter, fierce adversaries in Marvel comic books, but M'Baku has been translated into a heroic and popular rival/ally to Black Panther in the MCU.



Given the fan-favorite portrayal of M'Baku by Winston Duke and the fact the Black Panther throne is vacant in the movies due to the death of Chadwick Boseman (which will be explored in 2022's Black Panther: Wakanda Forever), it will be interesting to see if the character begins a hero's journey in the comic books to match his MCU counterpart. The solicitation for the special promises the emergence of a "new hero," although the female figure on the cover by Tan might be who that line is referring to.

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Offline CvilleWakandan

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I think the writer has the wrong M'Baku. Must not have read much of Coates. Lol
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 "I think my Panther run traumatized a lot of folks with its explicit blackness.  But you can't win unless you commit to something."