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Proud Mary
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Re: Proud Mary trailer
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2017, 09:25:59 pm »
ah... Blaxploitation revivalism! Neat... who directed this?
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Re: Proud Mary trailer
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2017, 10:59:42 am »
This snuck past me.
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Re: Proud Mary
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Re: Proud Mary (Reviewed)
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 05:24:30 am »
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/john-wick-tv-series-works-at-starz-keanu-reeves-attached-1074315

The article has nothing to do with Proud Mary, however when I watched the film yesterday I was thinking about John Wick and the expansion of that universe and how Proud Mary has the potential for sequels, comics, novels to expand the world of Taraji' P. Henson's hitwoman Mary. And I was glad that Henson just didn't sit back and do nothing when Marvel didn't call her for a superhero role and worked on getting/making an action hero for herself.

I enjoyed the film. It's good, not great. It's more of an action-drama than an action film. I do think the film could've used more action, especially after I learned that the director also directed London Has Fallen. I thought Henson did well in the action scenes the film did have.

I thought it had a nice, slick look. Henson was very chic, stylish. I've seen some criticism about the lighting in the film, but that didn't bother me. My few quibbles are over my wish for more action and I also would've liked a few more twists and turns. One of my favorite character actors was in this film, but for some reason the actor was completely wasted and I don't get why.

Comparing the film to other black-led thrillers I liked Proud Mary more than No Good Deed, The Perfect Guy, and Sleepless, though I enjoyed Colombiana, The Call, Obsessed and When the Bough Breaks more. Not black led, but I enjoyed Takers and The Losers more than Proud Mary.

Comparing the film to other action films, that's a tough one. While American Assassin had some better action scenes, overall I thought Proud Mary was a better film. I enjoyed both Olympus Has Fallen and London Has Fallen better, but London especially on pure action grounds. I need to watch The Equalizer again, but I feel like I enjoyed Proud Mary more than that film. I thought Atomic Blonde and both John Wick films had far better action scenes, though Mary as the protagonist was more interesting to me. Though her character wasn't super well developed, there was more of a human being there than what we see from the Atomic Blonde and John Wick leads. Also, the Expendables films just have much more bigger action scenes, though the characters were better written, and dare I say acted, than in those films. Proud Mary is better than Taken 3, but I enjoyed Neeson's Taken 1, Taken 2, and Run All Night better. I put Proud Mary over his Non-Stop. The police/vigilante brutality in that film never set right with me anyway. I put Mary over White House Down. WHD had bigger action scenes, but I don't think the comedy meshed well with the action. I think they made Foxx too jokey as a president, though he was more take charge than Eckhart's president in the similar Olympus Has Fallen. Kingsman 1 was better than Proud Mary, and while Kingsman 2 had far better action scenes, I actually enjoyed Mary more. Proud Mary loses out to the Craig Bond films in terms of scale, though Mary has more action than Casino Royale (I liked Royale a lot more than Proud Mary), the character has more of a pulse than Bond does in Quantum of Solace, and was overall a more enjoyable experience than Spectre. Mary isn't touching Skyfall though. Comparing it to the Mission Impossible films, Mary doesn't match up when it comes to the action scenes, though I enjoyed Mary more than Mission Impossible 2.

The Fast and Furious movies as a franchise also dwarf Mary in the action department, but Mary is better than the first three films in the franchise, and is in the running with the fourth. I also liked Jame Foxx's The Kingdom and Don Cheadle's Traitor more than Proud Mary. I also liked Armored, with Columbus Short, better than Proud Mary. I think Gina Carrano's Haywire worked better as an action movie, but Mary was a more engaging character and the characters were better handled than in Haywire. I liked Shooter (which also had Danny Glover in it) more than Proud Mary. I need to watch Smokin Aces (that also had Henson), The Italian Job, Heat, and Shoot 'Em Up again before I can compare those films to Proud Mary.

Enjoyed Arnold's The Last Stand more than Proud Mary. From what I recall, Escape Plan probably works better as an action film, but I enjoyed Mary more. I enjoyed the Transporter films more from an action perspective, though I'm putting Mary over the last Transporter film (Transporter Refueled). I also think Statham's Mechanic 1 and 2 also had better action, though I liked Mary a little more as a character than Statham's hitman in both films. I liked Mary more than the recent Magnificent Seven, but Denzel had Taraji in the badass department when comparing those films. For some of Stallone's other films, I put Mary over Bullet to the Head and Get Carter. I also put Mary over Hitman Agent 47 (for characters, not action), but not over the first Hitman movie (even though I'm not a big Timothy Olyphant fan).

Going back, I liked New Jack City, Bad Boys I, A Low Down Dirty Shame, Falling Down, The Last Boyscout, Swordfish, Reindeer Games, Speed, Shaft (2000), Passenger 57, Set It Off, and Four Brothers all more than Proud Mary. I like Mary more than Bad Boys 2, Ronin, and Snipes's Art of War. Face/Off, Con Air, and The Rock were all better than Proud Mary. I also enjoyed The Rundown better than Proud Mary. I need to look at the Die Hard films again, but I would put Mary over the last Die Hard film (A Good Day to Die Hard). That fifth film had some bigger action but I liked Mary's story more. Even though I had some issues with Angelina Jolie's Salt from a story perspective, I put Salt over Proud Mary. Though Mary is arguably better or just as good as Jolie's Wanted.

I do hope the movie makes enough money to get a sequel and it would also be great to spin off the books into novels or comics. Someone like Lion Forge should hit up Henson and see if they can do a book. There's a John Wick comic out now, so why not Proud Mary? If there is a sequel I would like to see some of these actors involved: Michael Jai White, Zoe Saldana, Bill Duke, Jason Statham, Mario Van Peeples, Wesley Snipes, Paula Patton, Thandie Newton, Viola Davis, Ving Rhames, Samuel L. Jackson, Michael Ealy, Larenz Tate, Vivica Fox, Maggie Q., Gina Carrano, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, Vinnie Jones, Sanaa Lathan, Nia Long, Terrence Howard, Jamie Foxx, Kat Graham, Gina Torres, Boris Kodjoe, Keenan Ivory Wayans, Damon Wayans, Queen Latifah, Angela Bassett, Isaiah Washington, Mike Epps, Jada Pinkett Smith, Jeffrey Wright, Don Cheadle, Carmen Ejogo, Alicia Keys, Octavia Spencer, Janelle Monae, Tiffany Haddish.

I think Proud Mary could be a platform in particular for black female action characters.

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Re: Proud Mary
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Re: Proud Mary
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 02:58:14 pm »
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Re: Proud Mary
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 06:14:41 pm »
Might as well do a sequel.  In the interest of his survival, Mary would have to start teaching him how to shoot, etc.
Danny Glover plays a pretty good mob boss.  has he done this anywhere else?
Boston was a "new" setting for me, an under-used backdrop for "soul stories".  Filmed on location?
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Re: Proud Mary
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 04:57:46 am »
https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/13/16885670/proud-mary-review-taraji-henson-danny-glover-advertising-marketing

Good article. I wonder if they even promoted this film heavily in black outlets. It's unfortunate that Hollywood continues to segregate black films from the global box office or they outright ignore or explain away the success of The Rock or The Fast and Furious, which do feature people of color. Will Smith has been a global star for 20 years. Denzel, Samuel L. Jackson, etc. likely are big on the international stage as well. Henson makes a point about the popularity of black culture on a global scale. So it makes no sense that black movies 'don't sell' unless they are just not being sold and the films that break through are considered unicorns instead of proof that international audiences like these films and stars and want to see more of them. It's odd that Hollywood hasn't followed white music execs and just marketed the movies like they promote black music, which retains mostly white control anyway.

I have to wonder if there isn't just racial animus there. Hollywood doesn't really want more black stars. They want to keep the number minimal. Even in music they are finally producing 'good' white rappers and are continuing to promote white R&B singers or non-black R&B singers over black singers and instead of having to go through the process of rebuilding white stars in black music forms, Hollywood just is preventing that from even becoming a 'problem' in the first place. Someone like Henson, with the top show on television and a Oscar-nominated film like Hidden Colors, and someone who fronted her own 50 plus million film with No Good Deed (how many white actresses can do that today?) she is still treated shoddily. Henson also had the successful Think Like a Man films. So if she was white Hollywood would be promoting the hell out of her and if a white Proud Mary stumbled they move on. Mother!'s failure didn't dent Jennifer Lawrence at all. They've moved and now she's going to be in the action film Red Sparrow that will get the promotion. Hollywood is behind her, behind Brie Larson, Rebecca Ferguson, Alicia Vikander, and generate new white actresses every year it seems while ignoring black actresses who have experience and are as good or better. At best, Hollywood might promote a biracial actress like Zendaya or multiracial actress like Zoe Kravitz. Lupita basically got nothing after winning a freaking Oscar.

I feel black folks are going to have to continue-because I'm sure some are already doing this-create alternative marketing and distribution outside the Hollywood system. Perhaps this is what a good businessman/marketer like Tyler Perry should focus on next.
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Re: Proud Mary
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