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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2017, 03:16:40 pm »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 04:23:06 pm »
But really though...how in the world could Zemo. Em Effin ZEMO. Get the one hand choke of domination on THE WINTER SOLDIER? Not acceptable, unless he got some kind of massive h2h or power upgrade or something. I haven't read the series [ gonna get the whole thing in TPB prolly or whatever ], so Idk how that is in any way explicable. Anybody help your S to the I out on that one?


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My concern is? Zemo has neeeever been presented as a viable threat to post-CJP BP. Now, I'm thinking that Marvel...almost as a way to counter the surefire megamonster that the BP movie juggernaut is... will have Zemo be portrayed as being able to continuously get the drop on BP, or be a genuine personal threat to BP all by himself. I'm not worried about Bucky, because his proximity to Steve will allow him to basically White Privilege his way to victory over Zemo. This "loss" won't stick to him.

But BP? Especially with the bytchazzness of TNC...STILL...WRITING...T'Challa's solo? BP is now officially T'Chumpa the Bland Panther in the floppies. And that T'Chumpitude will continue, as long as TNC is employed by Marvel.

I would settle for Spencer being given BP duties. Or Waid. I have been thinking about it, and Idk if CJP would agree to write T'Challa for Marvel again. Anyone have any recent CJP thoughts regarding writing BP again? Last I read about it, he was not amused by the thought. He'd like to write a Milestone Marvel BP...not the "anal shaftings R Us" Marvel Editorial oversight version of BP that screwed him out of BP aaaand The Crew. But that info? Was years old, from a interview years gone.

Considering how Marvel is hemorrhaging readers? And. Considering how CJP is killin it with Deathstroke [ despite subpar art, yet again ]...and given the surefire surge in interest in TChalla with the BP movie about to launch, and its [ hopefully ] magnified appeal via we in the Afrikan community buying merch and embracing BP into our Culture of Ultimate Infinite Cool [ maybe even getting celebs to rock the BP brand, like that time that Michael Jackson rocked the CJP BP logo...but this time spanning sports stars, music stars, YT, FB, Twitter, and IG influencers, etc ]? Who else besides me thinks that CJP will or at least should get that call to write BP again, if TNC BP stays bellow 25k sales?

Honestly I would ley proedt do his thing for now, and if later he want's to try again let him.  Now Hudlin or Redjack? With A List artist and full support? Hell ya! Though they may be busy especially Redjack with the BP animation

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 05:13:49 pm »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

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I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 06:19:55 pm »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

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I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

What impressive h2h feats? You mean...the Thunderbolts stuff? I read someairs that Zemo outsmarted and whooped upon Steve Cap as a T-Bolt.  But? None of that holds air with a h2h versus The Winter Soldier [ who is a elite h2h badazz ; and would mean triple nothing to T'Challa [ who already outprepped Zemo Jr. before he even got ganxta ]. TChalla is the man who is the literal illest of the line of the literal illest warriors, greatest supergeniuses, etc on Earth. T'Challa would massacre Zemo. Both Zemos. At the same time.  T'Challa on his death bed is too much for these fools.
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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2017, 06:28:34 pm »
WS is just human in comics right? Not peak human like mcu?

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2017, 06:58:56 pm »
WS is just human in comics right? Not peak human like mcu?

He's a KGB-trained assassin with a robot arm, so he's at LEAST as dangerous as Black Widow (actually, probably more so, since he was one of her teachers)

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2017, 04:52:07 am »
WS is just human in comics right? Not peak human like mcu?

He's a KGB-trained assassin with a robot arm, so he's at LEAST as dangerous as Black Widow (actually, probably more so, since he was one of her teachers)

Ok thats what I assumed.

Assumed he was one of the most dangerous non powered humans in the comics.

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2017, 05:19:26 am »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

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I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

We got to see his skill through the Thunderbolts run.  He's not a match for BP, but he can be a formidable opponent.  But I prefer him as quasi-villian/hero than a straight up villain.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 05:25:10 am »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

Son

I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

What impressive h2h feats? You mean...the Thunderbolts stuff? I read someairs that Zemo outsmarted and whooped upon Steve Cap as a T-Bolt.  But? None of that holds air with a h2h versus The Winter Soldier [ who is a elite h2h badazz ; and would mean triple nothing to T'Challa [ who already outprepped Zemo Jr. before he even got ganxta ]. TChalla is the man who is the literal illest of the line of the literal illest warriors, greatest supergeniuses, etc on Earth. T'Challa would massacre Zemo. Both Zemos. At the same time.  T'Challa on his death bed is too much for these fools.

The question is not is he a threat for BP  but is he a cannon fodder villain or a serious villain.  That Zemo is a serious player.  Written correctly, he's can be just below Doom.

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2017, 07:10:03 am »
Which is what we need to see T'Challa taken on more of, Serious villains, serious threats. Doom level or higher ( or slightly lower can work too) but there needs to be actual threats. I don't need some Z lister trying to be brought up to become an A/B tier threat and using T'Challa as the spring board. Do that isht somewhere else. He has been established as standing with the big dogs so treat him as such

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2017, 07:12:22 am »
I would like to see Zemo at semi Doom status. His own European province with a castle that uses his Baron status. A mini arc to up his h2h and weapons skills. Delve in to his Nazi ties and maybe make him an occult believer.

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2017, 07:13:10 am »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

Son

I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

What impressive h2h feats? You mean...the Thunderbolts stuff? I read someairs that Zemo outsmarted and whooped upon Steve Cap as a T-Bolt.  But? None of that holds air with a h2h versus The Winter Soldier [ who is a elite h2h badazz ; and would mean triple nothing to T'Challa [ who already outprepped Zemo Jr. before he even got ganxta ]. TChalla is the man who is the literal illest of the line of the literal illest warriors, greatest supergeniuses, etc on Earth. T'Challa would massacre Zemo. Both Zemos. At the same time.  T'Challa on his death bed is too much for these fools.

The question is not is he a threat for BP  but is he a cannon fodder villain or a serious villain.  That Zemo is a serious player.  Written correctly, he's can be just below Doom.

Yeah, im not really getting the Zemo hate personally.


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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2017, 07:21:53 am »

Yeah, im not really getting the Zemo hate personally.

Maybe because he is usually a gateway villian to Red Skull. Like the mini boss battle before you get to the big boss. lol

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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2017, 07:56:33 am »
WS is just human in comics right? Not peak human like mcu?

He's a KGB-trained assassin with a robot arm, so he's at LEAST as dangerous as Black Widow (actually, probably more so, since he was one of her teachers)

Idk that WS was one of BW's teachers...however, timeline-wise? That makes PERFECT SENSE. Kudos to the writer who thought that up.
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Re: Secret Empire #9 BP SPOILERS... Spencer didn't lie
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2017, 08:42:45 am »
Which Zemo is it?  The father or the son?  If it's the son; he has an impressive resume in H2H combat.  His father, less so.

Son

I thought zemo had legit h2h feats as well but im not a zemo buff

What impressive h2h feats? You mean...the Thunderbolts stuff? I read someairs that Zemo outsmarted and whooped upon Steve Cap as a T-Bolt.  But? None of that holds air with a h2h versus The Winter Soldier [ who is a elite h2h badazz ; and would mean triple nothing to T'Challa [ who already outprepped Zemo Jr. before he even got ganxta ]. TChalla is the man who is the literal illest of the line of the literal illest warriors, greatest supergeniuses, etc on Earth. T'Challa would massacre Zemo. Both Zemos. At the same time.  T'Challa on his death bed is too much for these fools.

The question is not is he a threat for BP  but is he a cannon fodder villain or a serious villain.  That Zemo is a serious player.  Written correctly, he's can be just below Doom.

Yeah, im not really getting the Zemo hate personally.

The very fact that a nearly 40 year comic reading vet like me has questions about the illness of Zemo...IF Zemo is supposed to be a strongly entrenched A/B level criminal threat...is the problem. Zemo should have been established as a general MU threat a long time ago, not really a Cap-specific world level threat. Zemo has the potential [ criminally ] to lead a hybrid Masters of Evil/AIM organization, distinguishing itself from Hydra in the sense that it isn't so much a terrorist organization per se, but rather a supercriminal organization dwarfing that which we saw in Mark Millar's breakout classic, "WANTED"


Yeah, im not really getting the Zemo hate personally.

Maybe because he is usually a gateway villian to Red Skull. Like the mini boss battle before you get to the big boss. lol


This up here^^^. That's the general flavor I got from Zemo AND Faustus. Neither of them should have been even remotely a threat to T'Challa OR Wakanda. Faustus is a superpowered supercriminal Freud+Nazi mind-whammy specialist.  Zemo is essentially depicted as a mostly B-level supercriminal at best [ although I read that his depiction in Thunderbolts should be his new default depiction in general, and that it was supposedly/potentially as game changing for Zemo as CJP's rendition of T'Challa was and is ]. Even with Steevil rockin Hydra, T'Challa should have not even needed to give his personal attention to these two. Neither should Shuri. If this were me writing them? These two should have been stomped into oblivion...actually killed...by D'Ciggs [ the character that it seems that I newly created but whom I actually didn't; this brutha is yet another character created in the past as a throwaway character despite being literally T'Challa's brother, then essentially ignored thereafter ] and his KSH [ Kifalme Shujaa Heshima, Royal Heroes/Warriors of Honor ]. They would have strip mined their "worthless tech" and repurposed the raw material. Not because Wakanda needed it per se, but primarily to deny Steevil more material from which to cause static.

You know who else would have been in on this? T'SHAN.

 Yall remember T'Shan? Son of S'yan the Swift? Got possessed by The Cannibal? Fell into a coma? Well. Wakanda awakened him pretty quickly. Used his public swoon under guise of battling The Cannibal to set him up as an undercover operative, providing strategic report to specific groups and operations worldwide that benefits Wakanda.

He would have provided material assistance to The Champions. He would have been Ororo's cut out to Wakanda. He would have been the guy keepin in contact with Blade. He would have been the guy keeping an eye on a whole range of stuff...all from the deepest of shadows. He would have been the guy nobody would have seen coming, who could have sabotaged Kubik back on Pleasant Hill, and allowed Wakanda to flip the switch on Kubik at the precise moment...not necessarily saving Steevil, but definitely saving Wakanda and opening up avenues of final victory for Cap-Sam, Steve, Agent 13, WS, BW, etc. T'Shan should be back in the game, in a real way...as he deserves to be. There's lots of unexplored material there.

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