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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #390 on: February 25, 2018, 06:46:57 pm »
This guy articulated a lot of how i felt about the movie.  And why i give the side eye to certain people who would question Chadwick's performance.

https://www.cnet.com/news/black-panther-best-moments-i-cant-stop-thinking-about/

9 'Black Panther' moments I can't stop thinking about


Here are my favorite moments from "Black Panther" in the order they appear. There are at least 100 more moments that deserve to be on this list, but unfortunately the Time Stone is still tucked safely away in Kamar-Taj (last I checked), and I would rather prioritize seeing the movie another half dozen times right now.

1. Welcome to Wakanda


What happens: T'Challa, Okoye and Nakia fly into Wakanda.

Why it's on the list: This is the first time we see Wakanda in the film, and in the MCU. And it's worth the wait. As the sun rises on T'Challa and Nakia, powerful African vocals deliver Ludwig Göransson's incredible score. Okeye proudly tells T'Challa and Nakia, "We are home." The ship decloaks and flies over the Wakandan outskirts, revealing a deep majestic canyon and a taste of the film's amazing cinematography by Rachel Morrison, an Oscar nominee for "Mudbound." The ship then swoops through a valley where we see herds of animals rushing, almost as if welcoming the king back home. The herders themselves wave as the ship flies by. My favorite images from this scene, though, are the Border Tribesmen on horseback, racing along, signaling to the ship.

Drum beats reach a fever pitch, and T'Challa's line, "This never gets old," mirrors how I will likely feel about this scene even 20 years from now. Finally, the ship dives right into the hillside and climactically breaks through the holographic barrier to reveal Wakanda in all its glory as the horns come barreling into the score.

I shed manly tears experiencing these first shots of Wakanda. The scene did not disappoint.

2. The Challenge Day ceremony

What happens: The Dora Milaje, the four tribes and T'Challa's family festively dance and drain the river in preparation for T'Challa to arrive to his coronation.

Why it's on the list: This scene, an instant classic, is the reason to see a spectacle film. Once again, the music is key. It's festive at first and then builds to a majestic high (there's a lot of majesty in this score) as T'Challa exits the ship to the sound of everyone chanting his name. T'Challa takes a moment to truly appreciate what a big deal this is as he looks around at his fellow Wakandans swaying and bobbing in celebration of their soon-to-be new king. This scene could have easily been ruined by a voiceover preemptively explaining the lore of the challenge, but the filmmakers are smart enough to just let a scene be.
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I loved every aspect of this -- from the symbolic shot of the spaceship leaving the frame to the effects when his powers are stripped away as everyone rhythmically shrugs their shoulders (god, I love that detail). This is also when you first get to see Ruth E. Carter's incredibly vibrant, eclectic costumes penetrate the screen.

It feels like nothing I've ever seen before.

3. Shuri names her new invention

What happens: Shuri introduces new footwear to her brother.

Why it's on the list: This whole Shuri as "Q" James Bond scene is one of the most entertaining, but my favorite joke is Shuri's meta sneakers joke. No, not the "What are those?!!" one, although I quite enjoyed that one even before I knew it was a Vine reference. The other shoe joke about her new "sneakers."

What sold me was not just Letitia Wright's brilliant delivery, but Chadwick Boseman's reaction and then her response to his reaction. It's subtle and easy to miss. Watch both actors next time you see it. Their performances in this scene, and especially this moment, are brilliant.

4. Killmonger walks to the throne


What happens: Yes, literally just that.

Why it's on the list:  This is the best shot in the movie. Everything about it is incredibly expressive: the music, the crazy rotating camera angle, the acting (Michael B. Jordan's stylish swagger as he heads to the throne is noticeably different from the way the other Wakandans carry themselves), the sandals he's wearing. Wakanda has just been turned on its ear and this shot captures that perfectly.

5. M'Baku threatens Ross

What happens: Everett Ross, played by Martin Freeman, starts speaking, but gets cut off by Winston Duke's M'Baku.

Why it's on the list: Winston Duke's perfect comic timing is everything here. When Freeman starts talking, I cringed. I expected that tired cliche of the outsider explaining things to an antagonist in a way the main characters can't, getting them out of a bind. "Mr. M'Baku I'm not from around here, but if there's one thing I do know is that T'Challa..." UGH, no thanks!
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But when M'Baku and the rest of the Jabbari basically bark him into submission, I was beyond relieved. And then, M'Baku threatens to feed Ross to his children. The implications of that line evoked too many "African savage" stereotypes for me. A big African black man threatening to feed the feeble white man to his assumably cannibalistic children?

But Ryan Coogler is a genius and I should have trusted him. He deftly subverted my expectation, and what followed was my favorite joke and delivery in the entire movie. It brings the house down every time I've seen it. Vegetarians, indeed.

6. T'Challa vs. Killmonger 1

What happens: T'Challa and Killmonger fight for the throne of Wakanda.

Why it's on the list: This is an incredible fight, though the first time I watched it, I wasn't really feeling it. It didn't hit me like a Winter Soldier kind of fight, which I guess is what I was expecting? But every time after that, it got better and better. I realized it tells a very specific story. The way the fight builds, T'Challa has a couple of chances to end it early, but instead shows mercy. As Erik gets the upper hand and you slowly realize T'Challa's not going to win, it's heartbreaking. The almost deafening score punctuates this.
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The knee to the head, the punch to the gut. Killmonger's taunting question: "Is this your king?!" Nakia getting the Queen Mother and Shuri away. If you've watched this scene and you thought the fight was boring, watch it again and pay attention to the small details. Incredible.

This tweet perfectly mirrors my feelings on it:

7. Killmonger's vision


What happens: Erik Killmonger goes through the coronation ritual to become the new Black Panther.

Why it's on the list: This is, full stop, the best scene in the movie, from the way it's shot, again to the music, to the editing and writing choices. Namely the choice to use the kid version of Killmonger to talk to his dad. Erik has never gotten over the pain of losing his father. He's still that kid who found his father killed by the king of Wakanda all those years ago.

Full disclosure: I've never seen an episode of "This is Us," but I'm now a huge Sterling K. Brown fan because of this movie, and mostly because of this scene. He kills it here and Michael B. Jordan is impressive, but it's child actor Seth Carr who makes this scene. His delivery of "People die ... that's just the way it is around here" is perfect. And as a guy who grew up on the west side of Chicago in the '80s and '90s, is something that's incredibly relatable for me.

8. The Dora Milaje trap Killmonger

What happens: Three members of the Dora Milaje trap Killmonger to attempt to remove his suit.

Why it's on the list: This moment speaks directly to me. One of the things I love in superhero comics is seeing highly skilled but otherwise regular humans believably keeping up with (and sometimes even beating) superpowered individuals. (See a depowered Storm defeating Cyclops for leadership of the X-Men in "Uncanny X-Men #201.")
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In this scene, Killmonger has the powers of the Black Panther and one of his suits, yet three Dora (who don't have superpowers, just powerful weapons and know how to work as a group) are able to trap him with their spears and nearly take him out. He ultimately uses the powers of the suit to break free, but this sequence made the Dora even cooler than they already were.

I also have to believe writers Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole are also wrestling fans, as this is textbook "looking good in defeat," where a character comes close to beating another, stronger character, but is ultimately defeated, yet still having earned the fans' respect.

9. The final scene

What happens: T'Challa and Shuri visit Oakland.

Why it's on the list:  T'Challa, forever changed by Erik Killmonger, comes to Oakland to start to slowly, thoughtfully help struggling black and poor people out in the world.

This scene impacted me in a way I didn't expect. It speaks to the 14-year-old version of me who wrote my own stories about cool sci-fi stuff happening in my neighborhood. In my stories, the main protagonist, the guy with the coolest weapon and fighting ability, was always black, because I frankly didn't see that enough in movies. Seeing this dramatized in a movie was like seeing a dream literally come true. It was an extremely emotionally complex moment. As the credits rolled, so did my tears.
How many leaders you said you needed then left ‘em for dead?
Is it Moses, is it Huey Newton or Detroit Red?
Is it Martin Luther, JFK, shooter you assassin
Is it Jackie, is it Jesse, oh I know, it’s King T'Challa, oh!

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #391 on: February 25, 2018, 06:50:16 pm »
For example, Shuri was fantastic but it was the back and forth with her brother that amplified the scene.

"What are THOSE??" And then cut to BP gleefully showing his open toed shoes that caused the crowd to erupt.  Or him kicking the suit the 1st time and  Shuri's reaction to him kicking her stuff.  Or him kicking it the second time, and his "delete that footage" line that had the crowd roaring in laughter.

To try to separate the back n forth dynamic between the two and downplay Chadwick's presence there comes across as very suspicious to me.
How many leaders you said you needed then left ‘em for dead?
Is it Moses, is it Huey Newton or Detroit Red?
Is it Martin Luther, JFK, shooter you assassin
Is it Jackie, is it Jesse, oh I know, it’s King T'Challa, oh!

When ish hit the fan, is you still a fan?

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #392 on: February 25, 2018, 06:57:10 pm »
And my personal favorite scene of the movie was Challenge day, particularly the scene where the studio music is cut and all you hear are the Wakandans chanting his name as the camera focuses behind him as he walks out of his ship to center stage, full tribal paint on.  That moment was chillin, and Chadwick's stage presence was powerful and regal
How many leaders you said you needed then left ‘em for dead?
Is it Moses, is it Huey Newton or Detroit Red?
Is it Martin Luther, JFK, shooter you assassin
Is it Jackie, is it Jesse, oh I know, it’s King T'Challa, oh!

When ish hit the fan, is you still a fan?

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #393 on: February 25, 2018, 07:02:39 pm »
M'Baku's appearance in that scene was also powerful and "fight or fright" inducing, but the way they cut to T'Challa and his stone cold predator glare at the Jabari tribe's interruption... again the stage presence was gawdly. 

Again i give the side eye to people who question this.

T'Challa was much more layered, nuanced, and thought provoking than say Bruce Wayne in the Dark Knight movie... who was a complete after thought to Heath Ledger.
How many leaders you said you needed then left ‘em for dead?
Is it Moses, is it Huey Newton or Detroit Red?
Is it Martin Luther, JFK, shooter you assassin
Is it Jackie, is it Jesse, oh I know, it’s King T'Challa, oh!

When ish hit the fan, is you still a fan?

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #394 on: February 25, 2018, 07:14:31 pm »
Wonder what Cinemasins (Everything Wrong With), Honest Trailers and How it should have Ended are going to do with Black Panther?!?

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #395 on: February 25, 2018, 07:15:20 pm »
You are dead on the money MM.  Loved the film!

Was Killmonger's girlfriend supposed to be Tilda Johnson, Deadly Nightshade in the film, anyone?
Would seem like a serious waste of a character if so?

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« Reply #396 on: February 25, 2018, 07:21:48 pm »
10 minutes.. that's when Bp Starts. I know it's good sl but I'm still nervous!  But I'm ready to be blown away

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« Reply #397 on: February 25, 2018, 07:41:09 pm »
You are dead on the money MM.  Loved the film!

Was Killmonger's girlfriend supposed to be Tilda Johnson, Deadly Nightshade in the film, anyone?
Would seem like a serious waste of a character if so?

Peace,

Mont


I think that was the original plan. The actress put out on social media that she was Johnson, but had to pull that back. And they changed her name for the film. Nightshade will be in Luke Cage Season 2.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Linda

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Gabrielle_Dennis

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Tilda_Johnson
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« Reply #398 on: February 25, 2018, 10:48:00 pm »
Wow. Saw Black Panther... That was amazing. I gotta say, my only regret is that I read spoiler's, but cotdamn that was the best Marvel Movie ever. It felt like it had so much more substance to it then other super hero movies, the scenery was beautiful, I didn't cry in the first part but dammit did my heart soar and feel pride for my heritage, my favorite scenes were on warrior falls for Sure, those were also probably the best choreographed fights in all of the marvel movies . They felt gritty and raw, not advanced tech, no superpower shenanigans, steel on steel combat..

The weight behind the words, and the scenes were do powerful. I truly felt bad for Erik. I kind of wish he didn't die. It had to be done of course but I felt for the dude but that scene with the sunset with him and Tchallas Actually got me teared up a bit, it was a very powerful scene and very symbolic considering that he gave Erik a proper burial and to me was him correcting his father's sins  with his brother.. Tchalla.. my Man... Powerful, I know Okoye Nakia and Shuri were scene stealers but Tchalla commanded every scene. That, is how you show Tchalla vulnerable, T'chadwick nailed his role that dude can bring the house down, real weight behind the tears and you can feel his pain in both encounters and sympathize with him (same with Eriks scene with his father). Honestly I don't get how people thought Tchalla looked bad with his fight with Erik. He was distraught, Shuri yelled at him to snap out of it to, because you could tell he wasn't strolling with that same confidence he was with M'Baku (BTW I want this M'Baku in the comics please!) But I still think he did well for a guy who just had his image of his father crushed.

My only complaint? The movie felt too short. And by that I mean that I didn't want it to end. There was less action in the movie then other Marvel films (or maybe not because the first movies aren't super action heavy ad the sequels) but I felt the action mattered and felt more complementary then required. I was so engrossed by the heavy themes I didn't need a ton of over the top action and explosions. It was a serious movie with action both super hero type and political with a powerful message about current climates in Black communities. The ending was so inspiring.

I could go on and on but it's late. 20/10 for me though.


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« Reply #399 on: February 26, 2018, 01:38:51 am »
Glad you enjoyed the movie Brother Ezyo. Agree with a lot that you said, especially the fight scenes. I honestly loved the choreography, especially during both Warrior Falls battles, and the battle in the Nigerian (I think it was Sambisa) forest. T'Challa's fighting style was so fluid and he was literally flipping and rolling around, yet kicking ass and send guys flying with punches. WITH PUNCHES! I haven't even seen Cap do that. There's also the beautiful cartwheel kick T'Challa delivers to M'Baku's face when he stabbed T'Challa with his battle staff. That got a very loud "OHHHHH" during my showing.

And I have to agree with you and Mortal Man both. Like, it's easy to say Okoye and Nakia stole the scenes because they're probably the most three dimensional supporting women in superhero movies today, and it's easy to say Shuri stole the scenes because she had the funny one-liners. But T'Challa seriously held his own and really got to show his acting chops. I had no idea the guy had great comedic timing as evidenced by the "Delete that footage!" line and also when he was talking about his sandals, or reacting to Shuri calling those new shoes "sneakers". None of those scenes would have been as great if Chadwick couldn't pull off those scenes properly.

Back to the first Warrior Falls battle, I loved how T'Challa just made M'Baku keep quiet while he was talking smack about T'Challa and Wakanda. I mean M'Baku had to be my favourite supporting character, but T'Challa remaining regal as ever yet still showing emotions throughout made this movie for me. Even when T'Challa got on his knees in front spirit T'Chaka, overcome with emotion, he still came across as a king. I can't think of any other young black actor who could have pulled that off, except for maybe John Kani's son Atandwa Kani, who showed that same kind of presence during his scenes (and bears an uncanny resemblance to Chadwick).

There's a lot to miss in this film. I just now noticed that when T'Challa comes back to Wakanda after rescuing Nakia and faces M'Baku at Warrior Falls, the sun is rising to symbolize his rise to the throne. But when facing and loosing to Killmonger, the sun is setting to symbolize him loosing the throne. Little things like that are what make me love this movie, and what Coogler and Robert Cole wrote in their script.

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #400 on: February 26, 2018, 04:46:04 am »
I really hope that Luke Cage gets to visit in part 2.  We'll see.

villains for next time?  Moses Magnum, Achebe?

I would also like to see Mephisto, and a sequence that incorporates the climax to how T'Challa defeated him in Priest's first arc.
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« Reply #401 on: February 26, 2018, 04:49:25 am »
Wonder what Cinemasins (Everything Wrong With), Honest Trailers and How it should have Ended are going to do with Black Panther?!?

How it Should have Ended?

Ending #1: right after T'chaka kills his brother. "Zuri, go pick up the boy, lets go home" The End

Ending #2: Killmonger "I want my blood right, to fight for the throne!" T'challa: "no, take him to prison" the end

Ending #3: "Ross take out the leaving planes!" Ross: or I can just shoot killmonger? ross shoots killmonger dead, tchalla tells planes to come home. the end

That seems like their type of humor.

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« Reply #402 on: February 26, 2018, 05:03:30 am »


My only complaint? The movie felt too short. And by that I mean that I didn't want it to end.


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The movie really did fly by. and this was the longest MCU movie yet (IW will be longer).

I remember when T'challa appeared from the shot down plane and I was like "wait, we are at the third act? already?"

The movie never felt long. Entirely gripping from the opening sand story scene.

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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #403 on: February 26, 2018, 05:06:47 am »
I hope (probably in vain) for an extended cut on the DVD, but I hope lots of deleted scenes are included with the dvd.
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Re: Black Panther Movie SPOILER THREAD
« Reply #404 on: February 26, 2018, 05:15:59 am »
Wonder what Cinemasins (Everything Wrong With), Honest Trailers and How it should have Ended are going to do with Black Panther?!?

How it Should have Ended?

Ending #1: right after T'chaka kills his brother. "Zuri, go pick up the boy, lets go home" The End

Ending #2: Killmonger "I want my blood right, to fight for the throne!" T'challa: "no, take him to prison" the end

Ending #3: "Ross take out the leaving planes!" Ross: or I can just shoot killmonger? ross shoots killmonger dead, tchalla tells planes to come home. the end

That seems like their type of humor.

 I definitely could see that a version of that first one.