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Surviving R. Kelly
« on: January 06, 2019, 06:58:06 pm »
Just watched all six episodes. 

Horrific that he is not in jail yet.

I hope this show finally make that happen.

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2019, 08:35:59 pm »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 07:05:34 am »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.
But the lives of the victims comes first. R. Kelly is a monster.  Did you see the show?  If not, please do.

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Interview with Dream Hampton on R. Kelly
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 07:36:24 am »
Interview with Dream Hampton on R. Kelly
https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/television/2019/01/03/detroiter-produces-documentary-surviving-r-kelly/2462975002/

Starting Thursday, the Lifetime network will devote six hours and three consecutive nights to "Surviving R. Kelly," a powerful, disturbing chronicle of the long-running allegations that the music superstar has sexually and physically abused women and young girls.

Containing more than 50 interviews and covering a time span from 1970 to today, the cable-TV documentary is among the most comprehensive looks ever at the scandal surrounding the man once nicknamed the king of R & B.

It's a story that deserves a docu-series, according to Detroit author, activist and filmmaker Dream Hampton, executive producer of "Surviving R. Kelly."

"I felt like it was time to deal with him, for lack of a better word," says Hampton.

Viewers will learn more about everything from Kelly's troubled childhood in Chicago to his early success to his secretive relationship with Aaliyah, the late singer-actress from Detroit who was 15 when she wed Kelly, then 27.


Most of all, they will hear accounts from those described by Lifetime as survivors and people from R. Kelly’s inner circle who "are now finally ready to share their full story and shed light on the secret life the public has never seen."

The interview subjects include Kelly's ex-wife, Andrea Kelly; ex-girlfriend Kitti Jones, and brothers Carey and Bruce Kelly.

Already, the documentary has made headlines. An early-December screening in New York City was canceled as a result of anonymous phone threats. In a current People magazine story timed to the docu-series, eight women speak out about the alleged abuse that Kelly inflicted on them or their loved ones.

Specifically, Time’s Up is seeking action from RCA Records, R. Kelly’s label; Spotify and Apple Music, which stream Kelly’s catalog; and Ticketmaster, which has sold tickets to his concerts. It also is calling for the cancellation of a May 11 concert in Greensboro, N.C.

"Surviving R. Kelly" is part of Lifetime’s pledge to give a voice to women who have been unheard until now and to spread awareness about issues like the abuse and harassment of women.

Hampton spoke to the Free Press about the docu-series and the courage of the women who have stepped forward to share their stories. Here's the conversation, edited for length and clarity.

QUESTION: There are appearances in the documentary by famous people like singer John Legend. Was it a difficult process to get celebrities involved or were people ready to step up?

ANSWER: When it comes to celebrities, It was incredibly difficult to get people who had collaborated (artistically) with Kelly to come forward. We asked Lady Gaga. We asked Erykah Badu. We asked Celine Dion. We asked Jay-Z. We asked Dave Chappelle. (They're) people who have been critical of him. That makes John Legend even more of a hero for me.

Q: There's been much written about the R. Kelly allegations, but do you think a documentary like this could be the biggest step so far in terms of public awareness?

A: The New York Times did a piece that we're in a post-text world. Even though Jim DeRogatis has done the heavy lifting of being on this story for the past 15, 20 years probably, at this point, I think seeing it is going to be (important). That's just where we are. No one's reading, and they're not getting to articles. If you have Facebook, people just argue about the title of an article in the comments section. As a storyteller, it's really important to me to make sure we get the most eyes on (the docu-series) as possible. It really is an incredibly important story We have to see what gender violence looks like, what sexual and mental abuse look like, in order to avoid it and know the signs.

Q: Can you talk about the women who've come forward for this docu-series? What do they mean to it?

They're everything, these women. We call them survivors. They're so brave.  Their stories are important, and they have every right to share them. Many of them have said they (want) to prevent someone else from falling into (such situations). There are no big paychecks for these women. We can't pay them to be in a documentary. There are no endorsement deals. This kind of exposure doesn't lead to some great something. I admire them so much and have all the respect in the world for them.

Q: What would you tell viewers about why they should watch all six hours?

I suggest that women in particular watch it with other women. I can't promise you that there's not something triggering in every episode because there absolutely is. But you're also going to see a real resolve, not just in women who are telling their stories, but in parents who are trying to get their kids back. It's quite a journey. I hope that people do stick with it.
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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 12:42:57 pm »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.





VLADTV posted an interview series featuring Nick Cannon that reveals some intriguing comparisons in show business.


Nick Cannon: Steven Tyler Had 16 Year Old Girlfriend That Her Mother Signed Over to Him


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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 07:19:49 pm »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.
But the lives of the victims comes first. R. Kelly is a monster.  Did you see the show?  If not, please do.


The victims lives matter but so does context.

When you present allegations of abuse and pedophilia absent of the larger context of this degenerate behavior being the norm in the entertainment industry, you are tacitly creating a dynamic where Black men become the face of this pathology.

You have people like Judd Apatow and Lena Dunham who EXPLICITLY stated that they were intent on destroying Bill Cosby's legacy before a conviction took place. Meanwhile, Apatow and Dunham have been silent about Harvey Weinstein, Leslie Moonves, and Woody Allen. In fact, charges are currently being dropped against Weinstein I haven't seen this reported in mainstream media at all and even more the protest movements embodied by #MeToo have been silent as well.

Your friend Nelson George talked about "The Barbershop" and made it seem as though Black men tolerate pedophilia in the Black community during the series. This is even more troubling knowing that George is smart enough to know the context in which this is being cast given his knowledge of American pop culture.

Dream Hampton has stated that "It was time to deal with him" now that R Kelly has been "Dealt with" I am very interested to see who the subject of the next docuseries about sexual abusers will be. Here is a hint, it WON'T be made about Weinstein, Moonves, Allen, Epstein etc. and it WON'T be produced by Dream Hampton.

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 07:24:54 pm »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.





VLADTV posted an interview series featuring Nick Cannon that reveals some intriguing comparisons in show business.


Nick Cannon: Steven Tyler Had 16 Year Old Girlfriend That Her Mother Signed Over to Him


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Dream Hampton and the #MeToo movement have called for R Kelly to be removed from major online music platforms.

Fine.

Now the following artists must be added to the list off the top of my head.

1.Led Zeppelin
2.The Who
3.Elvis Presley
4.Aerosmith
5.The Rolling Stones

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of these individuals exploits during the height of their popularity puts them squarely in the crosshairs.

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 08:33:23 pm »
1.Led Zeppelin
2.The Who
3.Elvis Presley
4.Aerosmith
5.The Rolling Stones



That list should actually be 10 times longer than that; and add incest as a bonus.


...and don't get me started on the adult entertainment industry, either. Especially during the golden age of 'porn'.


Now...   who's the 'monster'?  ???

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2019, 03:56:01 am »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.


VLADTV posted an interview series featuring Nick Cannon that reveals some intriguing comparisons in show business.


Nick Cannon: Steven Tyler Had 16 Year Old Girlfriend That Her Mother Signed Over to Him


Would You Like To See More?


Dream Hampton and the #MeToo movement have called for R Kelly to be removed from major online music platforms.

Fine.

Now the following artists must be added to the list off the top of my head.

1.Led Zeppelin
2.The Who
3.Elvis Presley
4.Aerosmith
5.The Rolling Stones

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of these individuals exploits during the height of their popularity puts them squarely in the crosshairs.


Add David Bowie to this list as well. I remember an article came out shortly after his passing where a former groupie alleged she had relations with Bowie, and another rocker, when she was underage. Media darling Drake is also in some hot water right now.

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/13/the_dark_side_of_david_bowie_as_the_mourning_goes_on_we_cant_ignore_his_history_with_underaged_groupies_in_70s/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david-bowie-and-rock-n-rolls-statutory-rape-problem

http://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/drake-kisses-caresses-17-old-153625626.html

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2019, 04:55:28 am »
I don't know if people want to hold all of the iconic music acts of the past to this standard. In particular R&B as Black men once again become the focal point of moral outrage when it is a systemic problem in a White male controlled industry.
But the lives of the victims comes first. R. Kelly is a monster.  Did you see the show?  If not, please do.



The victims lives matter but so does context.

When you present allegations of abuse and pedophilia absent of the larger context of this degenerate behavior being the norm in the entertainment industry, you are tacitly creating a dynamic where Black men become the face of this pathology.

You have people like Judd Apatow and Lena Dunham who EXPLICITLY stated that they were intent on destroying Bill Cosby's legacy before a conviction took place. Meanwhile, Apatow and Dunham have been silent about Harvey Weinstein, Leslie Moonves, and Woody Allen. In fact, charges are currently being dropped against Weinstein I haven't seen this reported in mainstream media at all and even more the protest movements embodied by #MeToo have been silent as well.

Your friend Nelson George talked about "The Barbershop" and made it seem as though Black men tolerate pedophilia in the Black community during the series. This is even more troubling knowing that George is smart enough to know the context in which this is being cast given his knowledge of American pop culture.

Dream Hampton has stated that "It was time to deal with him" now that R Kelly has been "Dealt with" I am very interested to see who the subject of the next docuseries about sexual abusers will be. Here is a hint, it WON'T be made about Weinstein, Moonves, Allen, Epstein etc. and it WON'T be produced by Dream Hampton.


Speaking of Lena Dunham...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lena-dunham-my-apology-aurora-perrineau-1165614

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/06/lena-dunhams-latest-apology-isnt-going-over-too-well/?utm_term=.f91f4df9e309

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/stevens/ct-life-stevens-thursday-how-not-to-apologize-lena-dunham-1206-story.html

About the next person to be 'dealt with', I agree. Louis C.K., Allison Mack, Asia Argento, James Franco, Kevin Spacey, Charlie Rose, Matt Lauer, Tom Brokaw, Michael Weatherly, Jeremy Piven, Sly Stallone, Steven Seagal, Dr. Luke, Johnny Depp (for domestic violence allegations), etc., etc., etc., will not be getting documentaries. (With Mack they could even angle it to take the focus off her and put it on the male cult leader, but the media hasn't even done that.). And their books, movies, or what have you will not be pulled from the shelves or banned.

One can argue that Kelly has been doing this for a long time (compared to some of the others mentioned, arguably), but I have to also say that Kelly has been arrested, he has been put on trial, and he was acquitted (Very few white entertainers have been arrested and/or put on trial; many are allowed to slink away, or even get jobs later on, if they face any punishment or public exposure at all). People (including women) steadily bought his music, went to his concerts, played his music on mainstream radio (interesting that Tom Joyner is 'muting' Kelly now, but I don't think he did years ago; where he was very vocal early on about not playing Chris Brown's music for a period), supported his "Trapped in the Closet" musical soap opera, after his marriage to Aaliyah and even after his trial and acquittal. Lots of people worked with Kelly, in many ways Kelly's music defined '90s R&B and the decade or two after, so the idea that he is such an abomination, despite alleged abominable acts (which should be condemned and prosecuted if true), when I look at this from the context of the musical industry and the overall society (of which the black community is a part) that birthed R. Kelly and allowed him to allegedly predate (though unlike his many of his white counterparts, he has been under scrutiny for almost 20 years in a way that they have not), I can't get with the piling on. It's unbalanced (in terms of Kelly isn't given a fair hearing; he's called a monster and constantly smeared in the media and on social media; similar to how Bill Cosby was and still is; it's assumed that Kelly is guilty, and we go from that presumption, without looking at both sides and judging them on equal footing), driven by emotion, hurt, bitterness, likely some financial incentive (Lifetime has gotten big ratings because of this), a lynch mob mentality (it's exciting to watch a star be taken down, to be part of a group, to condemn someone, to have that 'power' to cast out), and mass boredom (Kelly's music isn't as good as it once was so he can't counter with that, and further, he's admittedly more financially vulnerable which makes it harder for him to hit back at the media, pay defenders, or to silence/buy off accusers), and animated by the constant anti-black male agenda that wants to make R. Kelly the poster boy and face of straight black men to rationalize harsher societal treatment.

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2019, 05:37:57 am »
sidebar: hopefully kevin spacey gets convicted.
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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2019, 01:07:23 pm »
"T - Minus... 5...4...3...2..."
Tuesday, 8th January 2019
R. Kelly Being Investigated by Georgia District Attorney for Possible Criminal Charges

by Gary Trock


The Masked Singer

R. Kelly is currently in the crosshairs of law enforcement as an investigation is being conducted into his alleged sexual misconduct with young girls, and one of the main women involved is now wanted for questioning about her relationship with the singer.

Sources directly connected to the situation tell The Blast the Fulton County District Attorney has been actively investigating R. Kelly and a mansion he previously owned in Johns Creek, GA.

We’re told alleged victim Asante McGee has interviewed with officials and provided her eyewitness account into her time spent with R. Kelly at the Georgia mansion.

We’re told, since the airing of “Surviving R. Kelly,” alleged sex slave Joycelyn Savage has been contacted by the Fulton County D.A. and ordered to come in for questioning related to her time with the singer.

During “Surviving R. Kelly,” the Johns Creek home was featured when McGee walked through the property and discussed seeing women held against their will.

Our sources say the Savage family has been cooperating fully with the investigation.

Our sources say one of the charges on the table for the “Ignition” singer is false imprisonment, and the D.A. has already spoken with at least one other alleged victim as they build a case.

23-year-old Joycelyn Savage has maintained that she’s with Kelly of her own free will, however, her parents and friends believe she has been brainwashed by the R&B singer.

The Blast broke the story, Kelly’s manager is also under investigation for allegedly harassing and threatening the parents of Savage.

Reps for R. Kelly were unable to be reached for comment.





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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2019, 10:16:50 am »
VLADTV having a discussion with Lord Jamar of Brand Nubian always seem relevant even if recorded 4 years ago.


Lord Jamar Says Charlie Sheen Would Be a Monster If He Was Black

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Re: Surviving R. Kelly
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