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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2019, 06:47:17 pm »
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.

You have given the little Red hat more power than it should ever have.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2019, 07:47:27 pm »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.

THIS, is what they've done.

1.Zetgeist- Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell have awakened the consciousness of ADOS to the point that they are now DEMANDING actually tangible benefits from politicians. DACA, marriage equality, Don't Ask Don't Tell, all these reforms were reached by their advocates engaging in quid pro quo politics. Why shouldn't the ADOS electorate take the same stance in regard to their welfare.

2.Critical Mass- The issue of reparations as related to Slavery has NEVER been more prominent in the history of this country. Both Moore and Carnell are directly responsible for that. Reparations and its place in American political discourse is now permanent due to their efforts and vision.

3.Knowledge- The economic plight of Blacks in America is absolutely dire and in the face of this reality we are being told that it is otherwise. Antonio Moore worked on a report of modern Black wealth with Dr. Darity, a noted economist. The average Black household is worth less than a few thousand dollars when depreciable assets are removed. Who in the mainstream media is pointing that out?

4.Accomplishments- The ADOS movement is 2 years old and already they have been targeted for destruction by those wanting to keep The Black electorate dumb, docile, and dependent upon a Democratic party that has taken them for granted for decades. ADOS has sharpened the minds of The Black electorate and advanced a vision that seeks their interests first.

5. Poor Righteous Grifters- There was an ADOS conference this month, check the prices for the tickets and the T-shirt as compared to what Revolt is doing. Look at the salaries of those working for The NAACP, Urban League, and The Black Congressional Congress in relation to what THEY'VE accomplished.

P.S. Antonio Moore was invited to The Revolt conference and they RESCINDED the invite after his Sean Combs comments were discovered.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2019, 05:27:40 am »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.

THIS, is what they've done.

1.Zetgeist- Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell have awakened the consciousness of ADOS to the point that they are now DEMANDING actually tangible benefits from politicians. DACA, marriage equality, Don't Ask Don't Tell, all these reforms were reached by their advocates engaging in quid pro quo politics. Why shouldn't the ADOS electorate take the same stance in regard to their welfare.

2.Critical Mass- The issue of reparations as related to Slavery has NEVER been more prominent in the history of this country. Both Moore and Carnell are directly responsible for that. Reparations and its place in American political discourse is now permanent due to their efforts and vision.

3.Knowledge- The economic plight of Blacks in America is absolutely dire and in the face of this reality we are being told that it is otherwise. Antonio Moore worked on a report of modern Black wealth with Dr. Darity, a noted economist. The average Black household is worth less than a few thousand dollars when depreciable assets are removed. Who in the mainstream media is pointing that out?

4.Accomplishments- The ADOS movement is 2 years old and already they have been targeted for destruction by those wanting to keep The Black electorate dumb, docile, and dependent upon a Democratic party that has taken them for granted for decades. ADOS has sharpened the minds of The Black electorate and advanced a vision that seeks their interests first.

5. Poor Righteous Grifters- There was an ADOS conference this month, check the prices for the tickets and the T-shirt as compared to what Revolt is doing. Look at the salaries of those working for The NAACP, Urban League, and The Black Congressional Congress in relation to what THEY'VE accomplished.

P.S. Antonio Moore was invited to The Revolt conference and they RESCINDED the invite after his Sean Combs comments were discovered.

Exactly.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2019, 05:29:15 am »
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.

You have given the little Red hat more power than it should ever have.

The red hat has such power due to the lies and failures of the Democrats to live up to what they said they were going to do. And lest we forget that the Democrats were the original party of the Klan.


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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2019, 06:16:46 am »
Saw the film last night and really disliked several things- first there is no documented proof that Black slave catchers or bounty hunters dominated the hunt for Harriet yet this movie demonizes Black men as the main villain. This false narrative is problematic and reason enough not to see this film.

Second, like most Hollywood film this one has a Caucasian savior who is the slave owner.  This is another false narrative and dangerous.  No different than the insulting play about slaves wanting to romance their demonic slave owners who see them as people to exploit, dehumanize and destroy.

This movie lacks the ability to take us deep into Harriet and her physical struggles when she initially escaped her captives- would have been more gritty had we seen her outsmart animals in her 100 mile journey on foot.  And it could connect more to this true Black super hero. In a way it avoids showing any animals lurking for more romanticized modern narratives that make this biopic seem like propaganda.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2019, 10:26:47 am »
Appreciate the review. I've read other reviews that say similar.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2019, 10:51:52 am »
I see the advocates of "Cancel culture" are conveniently quiet about this of propagandist trash!

They ENDED Nate Parker's career for THE BIRTH OF A NATION and they do NOTHING about this!

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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2019, 03:43:08 pm »
I see the advocates of "Cancel culture" are conveniently quiet about this of propagandist trash!

They ENDED Nate Parker's career for THE BIRTH OF A NATION and they do NOTHING about this!

Yeah. Some of the same criticisms I saw aimed at Parker's film are overlooked with "Harriet".


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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2019, 05:59:22 pm »
I agree substantially with this:
http://www.blackgirlspeaks.me/2019/11/harriet-facts-fiction/

I struggle to understand the white savior objection. And I really struggle to understand the casting objection to Ms. Erivo. She got the gig. Either she rocks it or she doesn't. That has to do with her skills, not her parentage. I thought she did well.

All in all, I say see it. Seeing a vibrant Harriet Tubman, a contender for the black history Mt. Rushmore, as a dynamic young women doing the damn thing is a good look for me. It seems to me that she's often portrayed as a grim, monosyllabic one-note character based on mostly projections around the one famous photo or her later in life, I guess.
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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2019, 07:00:09 pm »
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2019, 07:50:34 pm »
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?


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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2019, 05:43:56 am »
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

Show me a Holocaust movie, much less a BIOPIC where there is the underpinnings of a love interest between a Nazi and a Jew. Show me a Holocaust movie where any member of The Nazi Party is portrayed as a savior for Jews. SCHINDLER'S LIST is an ACTUAL account of a real life event so that doesn't count.

I don't mean to be insulting but do you realize the irony of YOU defending this film when you were instrumental in the making of DJANGO UNCHAINED?

"Underpinnings of a love interest", "Nazi portrayed as a savior"
What are you talking about? That wasn't in the movie I saw. 

I have no problem whatsoever embracing both DU and Harriet.
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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2019, 05:48:29 am »
I have not seen the film but look forward to it.

I"m so sick of black people whining about not getting movies like this made and when they do, they attack them with a viciousness they never apply to any other films. 

I don't think most of the people attacking this film have seen it.  They read an attack by someone and then co-sign it without seeing it. 

Part of the reaction is our ambivalence with our relationship to the history of American slavery...and the typical disappointment people have with films about the subject. 

Meanwhile the Jewish community continues to make films about the Holocaust and support them every time.

There is a wide enough range of depictions of black life for black folks to take the chip off their shoulder and deal with our legacy. And the movies about slavery are so much better than ever. 

The ADOS argument is retarded beyond belief.  Malcolm X, WEB DuBois and every other great black intellectual giant has supported Pan Africanism. A bunch of non achieving jealous scrum bums making jealous complaints about Black Brits and/or Africans achieving in America is a dismissible punk move.

As for the movie itself, I don't talk about things I haven't seen.  But I know the producer and director, and they are people of great integrity.

In case it's not obvious, co-sign on every single point here.
(Ok, except I don't know the producer. But I have seen the movie.)
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