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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2019, 08:08:04 pm »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 08:12:47 pm »
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2019, 08:44:59 am »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.

I agree with you once again. It's easy to go after them when you don't listen to them, or perhaps listen to what other people say about them. Moore had been invited to participate in the next Revolt summit, but they rescinded the invitation. They don't want to give any larger forums to either Carnell or Moore because they know how potent their ideas are and they want to ignore them or change the conversation, or provide their vague or weaker ideas about 'reparations' in an attempt to fool ADOS reparations advocates.

I think some in the "Resistance" love to pretend that they are more open-minded and tolerant than Trump supporters, but when it comes to ADOS, or other issues or people who don't fit within the narrow establishment Democratic Party agenda then out comes the name-calling and the distortion or exaggeration of people's stances, the questioning of their motives, the bullying, shaming, guilting, and insulting tactics, etc. It's throwing mud while pretending they have the cleanest hands in the room.
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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2019, 10:14:21 pm »
As for the MAGA hat I don't want to hear about any aspect of it as a substantive representation of political discourse any longer. It is too simple of a target at this point and functions as an excuse to end debate.
A MAGA hat and a klan hood are interchangeable to me.   I don't need to know more.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2019, 10:15:45 pm »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.

You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.

You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?

To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2019, 03:11:33 am »
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.



Agreed.

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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2019, 06:31:41 am »
ADOS is dangerous horsesh*t.  Yvette is MAGA and there is a photo of her wearing the hat.  Anti-Pan African?  So she's anti-Malcolm X?  Anti-WEB DuBois?  Get the f*ck otta here with that bullsh*t.  Never.


You can't be serious?

You are being extremely dismissive of a movement that has captured the zeitgeist of The Black community. I find your comments even more ironic given that I just watched Yvette Carnell's book club concerning Dr. King. Dr. King's assessment of what Black revolution needed to be more than 50 years ago now is exactly the same scenario that we are facing today.


You're so right about it capturing the zeitgeist of the Black community and it's shifted the political conversation. In 2016, the Breakfast Club was talking to Hillary Clinton about hot sauce, but now-thanks mostly to the efforts of ADOS-even they have to ask the candidates what do they specifically plan to do for black people. ADOS is why reparations became a hot topic on the presidential trail because even Mr. Socialist Bernie Sanders was openly opposed to reparations in 2016, but even he, and many of the rest of the candidates, now reluctantly give support to the idea of 'studying' (really burying) the issue, but that's better than the straight up no reparation advocates used to get. And ADOS advocacy prompted the Democrats' attempt to squelch the issue with the sham Congressional hearings about reparations this summer, but that didn't work. ADOS is forcing the Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrats, and some across the nation, to look at this issue afresh and to consider how we deal with the legacy of slavery in a tangible, really restorative way. That's not something we've seen before, and that's not because of the 'progressives' (White, Black, Brown, or otherwise), it's not because of the Democratic Party, other parts of the Democratic Party coalition, it's because of ADOS. Beyond reparations, I think ADOS is forcing the Democrats, among others, to contend with the racial inequality wealth gap in ways that specify race, and not sweep it under class (which is what Democrats generally like to do). ADOS has led to a greater political education and awakening within the Black community, so what's so wrong with that?


To another point I find a lot of ad hominem attacks against Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell and it is indicative to me that those critics have no substantive argument against the issue of reparations that ADOS advocates for. I would LOVE to see Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell invited on a national platform to debate the substantive issues surrounding reparations and the advancement of The Black community in America as a whole.
They don't get national forums because they don't actually do sh*t.  Who have they helped?  They just encourage black people not to vote.  And ask for money. They are grifters, like Candance Owens.


Number one, they are not discouraging people from voting. Since you won't take the time to explore their views since you apparently already know them, but if you had, you might discover that they are seeking to make Black voters and citizens more informed, and that is doing something. They are demanding accountability from the people who arrogantly think we should just vote for them just because, which is ironic because it's okay to demand that two people from You Tube 'do sh*t' but not demand the same of the Democratic Party, which has millions at their disposal. When it comes to the Democrats where is the anger or demands for accountability? When it comes to them, out come the excuses. Well they can't do much because Trump, or McConnell, or the Supreme Court, but still, we got to vote, vote, vote even though we aren't going to get much, or should expect to get much, and as Van Jones said on the Breakfast Club (paraphrasing here), we have to be the 'adults' and we have to 'sacrifice'. Black voters always get that condescending talk, but then are exhorted to come out in droves to vote for people, a party, that boldly tells us they won't do anything specific for us, or they won't do much, and what they do put forward has to help 'minorities' and other groups as much (but really more) than us. It's a defeating message that is sold to us every election and I for one am glad more people like Carnell and Moore are not having it anymore.

They are not like Candace Owens at all. Candace Owens is more of a programmed black conservative troll, and that's not Carnell or Moore. They bring far more intellectual honesty and curiosity to their ideas, and it's not fair, though very easy, to try to sweep them all under the same rug. Rev. Kevin Cosby, who rides with Carnell and Moore is the president of Simmons College, an HBCU, so does that pass the who has ADOS helped question? And for me, as I've said before, both Carnell and Moore have made me more informed so I can tell you they have helped me. Their role in shifting the political discussion in our community has made more of us informed and it's forced the Democrats to have to consider reparations in ways they haven't before. How is that not 'doing sh*t'? Tell me how the approved Black media voices have offered anything new ideas in the last 50 years? Even Cory Booker's "Baby Bonds" idea was concocted from the same pro-reparations intellectual waters as the ADOS movement. Darrick Hamilton, a proponent of Baby Bonds, did an economic report with Antonio Moore, as did Dr. William Darity.

You accuse both Carnell and Moore of being grifters, where's the proof of that? I can't recall Moore ever asking for donations. He was talking about their latest ADOS conference (which both Dr. Cornell West and presidential candidate Marianne Williamson attended; bigger gets than even the Revolt Summit so far), ticket prices and how they would raise them in the future, but he made certain to say not to an astronomical level. Carnell does ask more for donations, like many other You Tubers, and I don't see it as being excessive. They are giving people the content they desire so why not get compensated for it? It's not like they have promised something they have not delivered or straight up tell you they won't do for you, like the Democrats.

When you ask what have Moore and Carnell done, what have Angela Rye, Van Jones, April Ryan, Roland Martin, Don Lemon, Joy-Ann Reid, Jonathan Capehart, Eugene Robinson, or any of these people who also talk politics on mainstream media have done? If you go with the First Step Act for Jones, well, who was the president who signed that legislation? All of the people I named got bigger forums (or had in the case of Martin) and more financial backing than either Carnell or Moore, who are going against the grain. Even Candace Owens has more backing, getting to be on Fox News frequently, but yet, I don't see the same frustration with liberal talking heads as there is for Moore and Carnell.

http://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/does-homeownership-really-drive-the-black-white-wealth-gap/558410/

http://kirwaninstitute.osu.edu/24593-2/

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17999558/cory-booker-baby-bonds

http://www.wunc.org/post/will-america-ever-close-its-racial-wealth-gap

http://thenextsystem.org/for-reparations

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/how-barack-obama-failed-black-americans/511358/

http://www.huffpost.com/entry/slaverys-shadow-how-forbe_b_5505319?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9zZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANXeSfcSggCL4QCNDLL7OyD3djTMhebKJ655ynogZhF6EPuyyUkKiCydeDe-e0HZCxPjX8gWzJtz8ecfToIMMqFS07Y_ZoFk0R_hGMO-pC4VwqMGg1RWIiUQeam7DMny957GoHQQir2IUwaGB2AdgPWAtUE3PS3KvqV2HMFI6Zql

http://today.duke.edu/2014/05/wealthinequity


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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2019, 12:55:31 pm »
Believe 100% that reparations are due to ADOS and long overdue as an honest subject for us given the promised but never paid 40 acres and a mule from slavery here.  No one is perfect in their presentation or discourse on reparations but perhaps all can agree slavery completely destroyed Black people economically, decimated our languages, we were murdered, we collectively lost our identity, we were kidnapped, we were raped and even worse. 

At the very least we are owed raparations which is monetary, land, tax free, formal apology and more.  Many of us donít understand the ramifications of chattel slavery but Dr. Claude Anderson can articulate this subject matter better than most.
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Re: Harriet Tubman Biopic Draws Controversy with Lead Actress Not ADOS
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2019, 08:04:08 am »
http://variety.com/2019/film/features/harriet-tubman-cynthia-erivo-kasi-lemmons-biopic-1203385680/

http://shadowandact.com/exclusive-watch-cynthia-erivo-address-controversy-surrounding-harriet-role-in-oprah-interview

http://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/harriet-kasi-lemmons-interview-1202183808/

http://shadowandact.com/harriet-director-kasi-lemmons-responds-to-backlash-over-cynthia-erivos-tubman-casting-i-understand-it/

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-fact-check-accurate-movie-160009625.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harriet-writer-talks-bringing-tubmans-story-hollywood-20-years-1251273

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movie-harriet-tells-different-story-120106013.html

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html

http://www.bustle.com/p/marie-buchanon-wasnt-a-real-person-but-janelle-monaes-harriet-role-serves-a-greater-purpose-19225393/amp

Some reviews:
http://www.yahoo.com/news/harriet-slave-land-thrill-ride-215136782.html

http://shadowandact.com/harriet-movie-review

http://www.rogerebert.com/festivals-and-awards/tiff-2019-harriet-wasp-network-guns-akimbo

http://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/harriet-review-cynthia-erivo-1203330489/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/harriet-tiff-2019-1238827

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2019-10-30/harriet-cynthia-erivo-review

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/10/29/harriet-review-a-real-life-hero-gets-a-solid-superhero-origin-story/#7fcb0eda6e81

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harriet-review-american-heroine-gets-163057874.html

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cast-harriet-tubman-movie-open-162000013.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFDOPZFcKw
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