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Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« on: October 01, 2019, 05:38:59 pm »
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What do you all think?

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 05:36:01 am »
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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 11:30:29 am »
Yeah, posting YouTube links has been somewhat problematic.

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 09:51:50 am »
i dont remember FP Batman being beyond human....

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 06:20:04 am »
I had some issues with how this turned out. I am okay with Flashpoint Batman defeating Killmonger, however, the set up didn't make much sense, and Flashpoint Batman should've really been messed up after the fight was done. Killmonger should've taken Batman to his limits. He should barely be standing after a fight with him.

But from jump, it made no sense that Killmonger would be after Batman. Especially when they later show he has already become the Black Panther. Batman is too small fry for him.

I did think a lot of the costuming and some of the special effects were on point. In the discussion afterward I hadn't considered it a battle between magic (Amazonian sword) and science (Killmonger's tech) while watching it. Though it shows that they story took liberties here as well. We are to assume that Batman would know what kind of weapons and poisons would work on Killmonger. So you have to go with the Batman is always prepared logic, which then you have to accept that every Batman, in basically every reality, is prepared since  Flashpoint Batman is Thomas Wayne and not Bruce. And Flashpoint Batman uses guns. He doesn't seem as good as Bruce, from what I recall of the Flashpoint Batman story, which is not a lot to be honest, outside of him using guns, him owning a casino,
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the twist with Martha Wayne, and the letter he writes to the Earth-1 Bruce (which is later revisited in the Flash/Batman crossover "The Button")
. That being said, he's still Batman, so he's going to be pretty good regardless. And I have not read all of the stories with Flashpoint Batman so I could be missing something. Granted, I haven't read all the stories with Killmonger either.

During the discussion, it feels they brought Damion Poitier in to back up the results here, and while he accepted them, he wasn't fully on board with it and I was glad for that. I could just as easily seen this fight going to Killmonger. He's younger, faster, superhuman (due to the herb, but even before he ingested it he defeated T'Challa who had the herb), and even more ruthless than Flashpoint Batman and arguably just as smart, or smarter. Of course if you have this as a vote, the legion of Batman fans are not going to go with almost anyone defeating any Batman, until DC unveils their black Batman next year (if they go through with it). We'll see how much he gets owned in the comics and as well in online matchups.
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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2019, 06:58:08 am »
That wasn't Flashpoint Batman.  It wasn't mainstream Batman either.  It was a combination of both.  The prep and tech of the mainstream and the ruthlessness of Flashpoint's.

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2019, 07:03:09 am »
To them, it's Flashpoint Batman. But I think I get what you're saying. Perhaps they should've gone with Azrael-Batman vs. Killmonger. Though that costume might have to be too expensive to create, depending on which costume they used.

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2019, 05:11:30 am »
I swear, MCU is the only people that gets power levels right though

coimc book peak humans smash regular humans.

is Flashpoint BM comic book peak human?

What hapepns is, Batmans popularity >>>>>>>>>>>> all


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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 04:02:39 am »
I swear, MCU is the only people that gets power levels right though

coimc book peak humans smash regular humans.

is Flashpoint BM comic book peak human?

What hapepns is, Batmans popularity >>>>>>>>>>>> all

Flashpoint BM isn't even comic book peak human; he's old--past his prime. (Better shape than I am in, but he's probably 30 years older than Batman.)

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2019, 07:37:45 pm »
I don't have to even watch it to know that bats would win. Only Batman only loses to T'Challa himself is what I have seen on YouTube.

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2019, 09:22:15 am »
I don't have to even watch it to know that bats would win. Only Batman only loses to T'Challa himself is what I have seen on YouTube.

They just need to make Batman's actually peak human already and be done with it.

This "he is only human!" sh*t needs to end. He isn't

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2019, 04:38:07 am »
I don't have to even watch it to know that bats would win. Only Batman only loses to T'Challa himself is what I have seen on YouTube.

They just need to make Batman's actually peak human already and be done with it.

This "he is only human!" sh*t needs to end. He isn't

Do you mean "above" peak human? 

Yeah, he has to be above human strength, agility, healing and some invulnerability!

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2019, 05:33:45 am »
comic book peak human

so low level superhuman... ala BP, Cap, MCU Bucky, ect

Basically... below the Spider-People and above the "no powers" people

Batman should be in the "no powers" people but... he isn't lol. He does stuff consistently that is low level superhuman

really wish comics kept the tiers as well as the MCU. I love how the MCU shows the difference between "trained human" (widow, hawkeye) vs comic book peak human (tchalla, bucky, cap) vs spider man vs on up.

i'll be curious if they give shang chi powers and let him be the "one" human that is able to scale up because of his skill lvel

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Re: Super Power Beatdown: Flashpoint Batman vs. MCU Killmonger
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2019, 07:21:41 pm »
comic book peak human

so low level superhuman... ala BP, Cap, MCU Bucky, ect

Basically... below the Spider-People and above the "no powers" people

Batman should be in the "no powers" people but... he isn't lol. He does stuff consistently that is low level superhuman

really wish comics kept the tiers as well as the MCU. I love how the MCU shows the difference between "trained human" (widow, hawkeye) vs comic book peak human (tchalla, bucky, cap) vs spider man vs on up.

i'll be curious if they give shang chi powers and let him be the "one" human that is able to scale up because of his skill lvel

They did good till EG.. with Cap fighting Thanos and taking hits and not being out of commission or dead.. it was epic of course but still the line faltered a little