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A Call To Consciousness:     THE VIBRANIUM STREAM


You've heard AM, FM, XM Now experience the future with VM. The acoustic couture of Kimoyo streaming is now offered to the outside world and some close neighboring star systems. No place on earth does aural enticements like the vibranium modulations found only in Wakanda. Listen, intuit and share. Live life without fear and help make our world a better place in these most trying times.






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MARVEL'S 616 EXPLORES MS. MARVEL, BLACK PANTHER IN FIRST LOOK AT DISNEY+ DOCUSERIES

Go behind-the-scenes of Marvel Comics in two first look clips from the upcoming Disney+ docuseries, Marvel's 616. The project was first announced last April; its title refers to Earth-616, the main reality in the Marvel Universe. The first video comes from Episode 2: "Higher, Further, Faster," which was directed by Community's Gillian Jacobs, and it explores the origins of Kamala Khan (aka Ms. Marvel).

The second clips hails from Episode 4: "Lost and Found," which was helmed by Paul Scheer and chronicles "the actor and comedian’s eye-opening and hilarious journey to discover the 'forgotten' characters of Marvel Comics."

This sneak peek begins with an interview with Reginald Hudlin, who wrote Black Panther comics during a time (2005-2018) when the Wakandan king was still considered a rather obscure hero. "I said, 'I'm gonna write the comic book equivalent of a Public Enemey record,'" Hudlin says. "A completely un-compromised, politically provocative book and that was the key to success."


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COMICSGATE - A brief history


COMICSGATE IS GAMERGATE'S NEXT HORRIBLE EVOLUTION
Supporters want to save comics. But their reasons do not make sense.


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Update, August 27, 2018: After a Year, Comic Pros Express Solidarity Against Comicsgate


Comic book publishers and creators have been under attack from bigots since Captain America punched Hitler in 1941. But now, bigots have organized under a new banner: Comicsgate. But what is Comicsgate? And how did it happen? Like Gamergate before it, the origins of this latest intolerant movement are ugly. On Friday, Comicsgate proponents on social media released a public blacklist of names for their followers to boycott. The names are organized under inflammatory titles like the “Pravda Press” and the “SJW Vipers” (“SJW,” for social justice warrior, a derogatory title for progressives). Those attacked are major figures in comics like Larry Hama, Mark Waid, Alex de Campi, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Matt Fraction, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and others. Nearly all of the people singled out are either women, people of color, or left-leaning.

The Comicsgate people claim the blacklist is meant for “educational purposes only,” according to the preamble. “You are advised not to engage in any harassment/doxing/Twitter trolling with these people. The list is meant for all concerned with the state of comics to see who the main contributors are to the declining quality.”

The statement continues:

“The players in #Comicsgate are not responsible for your actions if you DO NOT take the advice of the above statement. If you want to hurt these individuals, do it with your wallet. Don’t buy their products. Do not give the false reporter any clicks. Use archive.ie for any ‘reporter’ links.” But how did this start? And what do these people actually want? Because the hazy origins of Comicsgate are siphoned from the 2014 Gamergate movement and “alt-right” white nationalists, it is difficult to pinpoint a specific origin. Still, it likely all begins with milkshakes. Here’s a brief rundown of how Comicsgate got its bizarre hate game rolling.

In July 2017, several female Marvel staffers got together for milkshakes and a selfie, shared by editor Heather Antos (The Unbelievable Gwenpool) on her Twitter page. The women had gathered to celebrate the life of Flo Steinberg, an industry icon who had a key role in expanding Marvel and had passed away a few days earlier. For some reason, women enjoying milkshakes broke the dam on what would become Comicsgate.



Bafflingly, some people believed Antos’s selfie represented what was “wrong” with Marvel. Between calls of “fake geek girls,” putting down Antos and her colleagues for being “the creepiest collection of stereotypical SJWs anyone could possibly imagine,” and harassment levied at Antos through Twitter’s direct messaging (via The Mary Sue) this selfie weirdly set off sexists.

To defend Antos, fans used the hashtag #MakeMineMilkshake, but it seems like #Comicsgate had begun. It just didn’t have a name, until later that year. At New York Comic Con in October 2017, a breakfast held by Marvel exclusively for comic book retailers went awry when a few retailers, peeved at declining sales, laid the blame on “black,” “homo,” and “freaking female” comics put out by Marvel. Since 2015, Marvel had a dramatically changed universe, in which the mantles of white, straight male characters like Thor and Wolverine were handed to women, and the Hulk had become an Asian teenager.

Of course, there were retailers who opposed this view, but the event added momentum to what would happen later in the fall and winter, and it showed that a vocal segment of comic consumers was eager to express their dissatisfaction and bigotry to Marvel’s face.

Two important names to know about Comicsgate, because its supporters rally behind them, are Richard C. Meyer and Ethan Van Sciver (#StandWithEVS). After the milkshake episode, Comicsgate began to crystallize through those two individuals on YouTube.

On YouTube, Meyer runs the Diversity and Comics channel, boasting over 57,000 subscribers. Contrary to the title, Meyer’s videos don’t explore the values of diversity and representation in comics. Rather, the videos — 12-40 minutes in length, usually — feature Meyers thumbing through random issues, poking fun at every page. His jokes are also generally offensive. In a review of Mariko Tamaki’s She-Hulk, he describes one character as “a bored, sullen, Y bitch” talking to an elderly woman, “her future lesbian self.”

(UPDATE: In a tweet, Richard C. Meyer said he was actually saying “whibish.” YouTube’s caption on the video read “Y bitch.” It’s what “whibish” means that remains a mystery.)

In December 2017, Bleeding Cool listed Meyer in an end-of-year countdown of influential people in comics, calling Meyer “the centre of alt-right comics hate speech” with “the ability to get comic creators who really should know better, to engage with him, even if they are screaming for blood.”

Online, Meyer aligned himself with Van Sciver, a freelance illustrator whose works include The Flash: Rebirth and Green Lantern by DC Comics. On Twitter, Van Sciver insists he supports diversity, but his personal politics — he’s publicly identified himself as Republican — lean to a Breitbart-flavored right. Earlier this year, Twitter unearthed Van Sciver’s sketchbook, titled My Struggle, autographed it with a Swastika signature. Van Sciver insists that My Struggle was just a joke.

But regardless of Van Sciver’s views, his actions have raised red flags. In 2017, Van Sciver told a Facebook follower to kill themselves (he later apologized). Then, in late January, Van Sciver engaged in a Twitter dispute with Darryl Ayo, a black independent comics creator. When Ayo, who had been the subject of a Comics and Diversity video refused an invitation by Van Sciver to appear on his show, Comicsgate supporters harassed him in droves.

Unlike most “-gate” scandals, there wasn’t one thing that kicked off Comicsgate, a name attached organically and has trended throughout 2017. Unlike its ancestor Gamergate, the demands by Comicsgate are unclear. Sure, Gamergate began when a guy got mad at his ex, but it at least pretended to aspire to something bigger in its call for “ethics in gamming journalism.” Comicsgate, meanwhile, seems to just want less diversity, both in characters and creators, in an attempt to save comics and keep the medium white, male, and familiar. That’s it.

Comic sales have slowed, that much is true, especially compared to the early nineties when the speculator boom was at its highest. But book sales have slowed across the board, along with prose literature, in the face of changing media. But the profile for comics have never been higher, as mainstream pop culture is actually excited for a movie featuring Thanos and the Infinity Stones. Not only are the demands made by Comicsgate offensive idea, they don’t make sense.

We’ve seen this before. It happened with video games and science-fiction literature. Despite the complicated origin story worthy of a supervillain, Comicsgate isn’t anything new. It’s little more than the latest irate gasp of fading white hegemony in geek culture.




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Re: Historical Explorations of the Black Panther *** COMICSGATE ***
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2020, 02:37:26 pm »
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Jae Lee Releases Statement on Tom King ComicsGate Accusation and Retraction
Jae Lee has responded to Tom King's recent ComicsGate accusation against the artist regarding DC hiring Lee to draw a variant cover for Rorschach #1.

BY JIM JOHNSO




In the wake of writer Tom King's accusation and subsequent retraction of his statement about artist Jae Lee's alleged ComicsGate ties, Lee has issued his own statement on his Instagram account Sunday.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDG4CPUJtA7/?utm_source=ig_embed

Lee's thoughts on the matter were part of larger post Lee made in honor of his and wife June Chung's pet dog Loki, who passed away two weeks earlier. "We were going to take him to the beach and comfort each other by sharing our favorite stories about our little boy. Instead, a part of the internet I avoid like the plague came barging in."

Lee's reference is to Tom King's Saturday tweet, which condemned DC commissioning Lee for a variant cover of King and Jorge Fornés' upcoming Rorschach #1. King accused Lee of previously drawing covers for ComicsGate, the movement associated with campaigning against diversity in comics and often known as a hate group. King followed up with another tweet that evening, stating he spoke with Lee, saying Lee "didn’t know ComicsGate existed, and doesn’t support hate of any kind. We’re all good. Best possible outcome."

Lee's response adds, "June and I were robbed of a special day. So, no, we're not 'all good.'" The artist historically has not been active on social media, and generally only posts to promote his art, although he also recently shared pictures commemorating his late pet.

"This isn't the start of a conversation," Lee concluded. "This is the end. So please, don't drag me into a world I never wanted to be a part of, nor will I ever want to be a part of."


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Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2020, 03:04:51 pm »
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Black Panther Illustrates ComicsGate’s Motives, Reasonings

Charles Rodriguez



ComicsGate has been painted as an iconoclastic whole, namely one of angry white nerds that hate diversity. However, each member has their own reasonings. Nowhere is this more apparent than in their reactions to The Black Panther. By analyzing their reactions to Black Panther, one can get a greater insight into their motivations.[1]

Richard C. Meyer described Black Panther as “great, it was as good as the overblown descriptions.”[2] Overall, Richard Meyer felt it started slowly although it became more enjoyable in the second half[3] which was more action packed. His main concern going into the movie was that it would be too political and wouldn’t be enjoyable. However, halfway through he really began to enjoy the film for what it was claiming “there wasn’t any weird political diatribe.”[4] He liked the action as well as the main villain. Richard stated that Killmonger was the most interesting character.[5] Even though Richard is white, it’s apparent that he identified with the reasonings, background, and struggles of Killmonger.[6]

Not all were as enthusiastic. Captain Cummings, another CG YouTuber, stated that “it was an ok movie but not a great movie” although “he had a lot of fun.”[7] He liked the world building, magic, and technology. Unlike Richard, Captian Cummings preferred the beginning of the film.[8] Overall, his main complaint is that Black Panther was “too much of a formula film.”[9] He also was not [10] and that Marvel struggles with villains.[11] In the comics, he’s the main antagonist to Black Panther in the comics, but he was just a minor villain in the movie. Captain Cummings felt his death was “disheartening” since he wouldn’t get more screen-time. He also differed from Richard in that he thought Kill Monger was cheesy, although he liked him more at the end of the movie.[12]

Just Some Guy, a CG from Chicago, critiques fans for not buying the book while hyping the movie. He doesn’t discuss the film much in his video so much as his reaction to they hype. Just Some Guy was frustrated with how other African-Americans claim they want more diversity in media like comics, but aren’t willing to pay for it.[13], [14] That it was a success wasn’t a surprise to him. He stated that Black Panther’s success was to be expected[15] because Marvel Studios has the formula down.

Just Some Guy’s secondary criticism was of Marvel Comics. Just Some Guy was frustrated with the incompetence of Marvel Comics in comparison to Marvel Studios. [16] Despite the success of The Black Panther movie, there was next to no promotion of the comic series. How could they sell a comic that people didn’t know exist? How can they buy them if they’re only old at niche comic shopsa? He was also annoyed that Marvel Comics didn’t focus on a single series, but rather they were already making two spin-offs. His belief is that without enough of a core audience all the series would be canceled.[17]

Others, such as That Umbrella guy, did not like it because of politics. That is understandable. Some people dislike the book Starship Troopers because of its politics just like others dislike Star Trek for the same reason. Many comic book fans are also turned off by political messages, so it isn’t surprising that they are suspicious of it creeping into films, even enjoyable ones. That Umbrella Guy shows how there are individuals that will dislike a film or comic because of its political message. Which is a-ok. No one should be forced to like or dislike a product.




He wasn’t the only one that felt that way.
 


Their reactions shine a light on their motives in ComicsGate. For Richard, super hero movies and comics are supposed to be like The Black Panther: Fun, action packed, and enjoyable. Currently, he does not believe super hero comics are that way. For Captain Cummings, super hero media is a way to have fun, socialize and explore. He likes the magic, the otherness, and the sense of discovery. Stick in the mud politics does not allow for escapism so is an obvious turn-off for him and others like him. Others are like Just Some Guy. They’re frustrated with Marvel Comic’s poor business decisions and with people not putting their money where their mouth is. Still others, like That Umbrella Guy are not fans of mixing politics with entertainment. ComicsGaters have their own reasons, backgrounds, and opinions. Some are not fond of fanwagons and ignorant hype.





Others just want fun films and could care less about the protagonist looking like them.





Many had fun and thought the film was great.





Other ComicsGaters had mixed feelings on aspects of the film.







ComicsGate is diverse and this is made apparent by The Black Panther. Consequently, so are their opinions on Black Panther. Some, like Richard, loved it. Others like Captain Cummings thought it was ok. Still others, like That Umbrella Guy did not like it.

If ComicsGate truly was about hating minorities no matter what, then it is odd that many would like and even love The Black Panther.[18] One would expect uniformity on that point if ComicsGate wanted to lynch every minority that crossed their path. Furthermore, if ComicsGate truly hated minorities one would wonder why many of its members are in fact minorities and like minority characters that aren’t stereotypes. Additionally, even those who disliked the film mention politics first and foremost and aren’t angered by the notion that a film can be about a black man or a super woman.

Why?

ComicsGate is about good comics. ComicsGate is not about white guys in basements complaining about dem damn wumenz and minorities. It’s about a healthy industry, one in which people can just have fun, socialize, and escape from the mundane present. It’s about not kowtowing to a comic clique that has the maturity of pre-teens, the fanaticism of Westboro, and the arrogance of Hollywood while lacking its wealth and splendor. That is the sentiment that unites those in ComicsGate, not race, gender, or even politics. What they want is good stories in film or in books. That’s the reason why ComicsGate generally praises The Black Panther and Wonder Woman even though they have political messages.

Lastly, comics were already diverse, unlike mainstream media: Storm, a Black woman, led the X-Men decades ago. To think that nerds -who embraced these diverse characters before anyone else- suddenly walk in goosestep is ludicrous. A better explanation is fan anger over the poor quality of Marvel Comics, the decline of the comic shop, and corruption of comic book gate keepers.


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Re: BLACK PANTHER - COMICSGATE AND ITS IMPACT
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2020, 08:39:28 pm »
But...Hollywood in general and the MCU behind the cameras sucked at diversity.

https://www.insider.com/anthony-mackie-criticizes-marvel-lack-of-diversity-2020-6

Idk much about ComicsGate. I DO clearly remember the tons of hate that CJP BP, RH BP, Miles Morales, etc etc got and IT WAS RACIST. I recall the LCBRD [ as I believe Salustrade or Sinjection coined the acronym ] repeatedly showed their vile racism on places like CBR before CBR was "allegedly" cleaned up...and I got the feeling from you more experienced board hopping HEF OG's that at least the first alleged "clean ups" weren't cleaning out the racists, but cleaning out the HEFfas and others who had the temerity to stand up and smack the hatas down. Sinjection Wars style [ where's Sinjection, anyway? ]

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