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Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« on: May 30, 2007, 08:25:54 am »
While Venezuelan film makers struggle to produce their films. Hugo Chavez's new best friend gets 18 million to do his..

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/glover%20given%2018%20million%20to%20direct%20political%20epic_1031598

http://news.sawf.org/Entertainment/37529.aspx

http://www.haitiwebs.com/forums/music-entertaiment-news/44361-danny-glover-movie-trouble-haiti.html

I'm cool with Mr. Glover and I know he wants do to good but I wonder if he has walked through Caracas's street on his own so he could see the reality the Government wants to hide.. I think that's the problem with celebrities they get behind things they don't know anything about.. They should make a bigger effort to understand things before getting involved with them.. Obvisouly Mr. Glover hasn't or if he did he doesn't care.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2007, 09:07:27 am »
I've been sour on Glover since he became part of the whole Cynthia McKinney debacle a year or so ago...this doesn't really help matters, in my eyes.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 10:30:37 am »
Wait, are you saying Mr. Glover shouldn't take the money to make his dream film on Toussaint Louverture?  Do you think he should wait for some "clean" money to come along?  (I wonder how long he has been looking for funding.)

Besides, when did Hugo Chavez get promoted to the devil and how is making a film in Venezuela some kind of sin?  I don't understand your negative moral judgment of Mr. Glover here.  Am I missing something?
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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 02:44:07 pm »
He is a friend and ally of Ahmadinejad, and that right there is enough for me.  He's an anti-Semite who wants nothing good for American and has been accused of harboring terrorist groups like Hamas.


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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 02:46:25 pm »

I'd love to hear more about the streets of Caracas and the evil that Hugo Chavez is committing.  Please provide testimony in the first person, not in the form of links or other second- and third-hand references.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2007, 02:22:17 am »
He is a friend and ally of Ahmadinejad, and that right there is enough for me. 
Hadn't been aware of that, and it is disappointing that he seems to be using the 'enemy of my enemy' philosophy to make ties with someone a genuine Socialist should never countenance. I'm surprised I didn't hear about that last year. A quick google shows it mainly seems to be right-wing news-sites that took notice.
He's an anti-Semite who wants nothing good for American and has been accused of harboring terrorist groups like Hamas.
I assume you're referring to Ahmadinejad there, rather than Chavez.

The film sounds good, though. I get the disgruntlement of the Haitian and venezuelan people, but it's not succh a big deal. In Europe you get this all the time, with the British Film 4 company and the French Canal Plus, who constantly finance films in other languages, in other countries, etc.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 08:38:49 am »
Wait, are you saying Mr. Glover shouldn't take the money to make his dream film on Toussaint Louverture?  Do you think he should wait for some "clean" money to come along?  (I wonder how long he has been looking for funding.)

Besides, when did Hugo Chavez get promoted to the devil and how is making a film in Venezuela some kind of sin?  I don't understand your negative moral judgment of Mr. Glover here.  Am I missing something?

Exactly!  I wonder how many of the people criticizing Danny Glover offered to write a check?  18 million is considered low budget by Hollywood standards.  It wouldnt take much to match Chavez's offer. 

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2007, 11:00:12 am »
Wait, are you saying Mr. Glover shouldn't take the money to make his dream film on Toussaint Louverture?  Do you think he should wait for some "clean" money to come along?  (I wonder how long he has been looking for funding.)

Besides, when did Hugo Chavez get promoted to the devil and how is making a film in Venezuela some kind of sin?  I don't understand your negative moral judgment of Mr. Glover here.  Am I missing something?

Exactly!  I wonder how many of the people criticizing Danny Glover offered to write a check?  18 million is considered low budget by Hollywood standards.  It wouldnt take much to match Chavez's offer. 

18 Mil by Hollywood standards is chump change. Indy film level.

The filmmakers of Haiti and Venezuela wouldn't have gotten that kind of bank in any event. Danny Glover got it only because he's Danny Glover.You get a Liz Hurley or a Penelope Cruz to back your project and watch the money flow in.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2007, 12:31:38 pm »
Wait, are you saying Mr. Glover shouldn't take the money to make his dream film on Toussaint Louverture?  Do you think he should wait for some "clean" money to come along?  (I wonder how long he has been looking for funding.)

Besides, when did Hugo Chavez get promoted to the devil and how is making a film in Venezuela some kind of sin?  I don't understand your negative moral judgment of Mr. Glover here.  Am I missing something?


First of all I live in Venezuela.. I'm a first line witness of Chavez dictatorlike behavior... And yes I think, Mr. Glover should wait for "clean" money to come along.. You can't tell the story of a man who fought slavery and oppression with money from an oppressor..

If you're unaware Hugo Chavez signed an agreement of military cooperation with Iran.. And he has even denied the Holocaust.. If that isn't enough he recently took off the air the most important TV Chanel of the country just because they were reporting the corruption within Chavez government.. He has dedicated himself to create hate and division among the people of Venezuela..
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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2007, 12:50:15 pm »

I'd love to hear more about the streets of Caracas and the evil that Hugo Chavez is committing.  Please provide testimony in the first person, not in the form of links or other second- and third-hand references.


For the last 3 days thousand of college and high school students have been parading on the streets protesting Chavez decision of closing RCTV the most important TV Chanel in Venezuela.. The police has used tear gas and rubber bullets against them.. Over 90 of them are now in jail alongside people who just made the mistake of not running when the cops arrived.. Chavez spoke in national TV calling for his supporters to take the streets and use violence against the protesters.. He even said that he was willing to use the army if it was necessary.. But that’s just recently.. During the last years he has been unashamedly lying to the people.. Telling them that he paid the national debt with in reality he just paid one of the many the country has with the World Bank.. In fact the external and internal debts are bigger than ever before.. While many of our states including his birth state Barinas have problems with the electricity and the roads he’s giving free oil to Cuba and other nations.. He’s more interested in projecting his image internationally than solving the problems of his own country.. The farmers (campesinos) can’t work their lands because they don’t have the equipments and when they do they can transport their product because the roads are a mess, but rather than help them Chavez is more worried by the Bolivians and Argentineans..

I live in Venezuela.. It is me who has to withstand what’s going on in here.. People like Mr. Glover just make the things worse because he walks around telling people like you that in Venezuela everything is ok while in reality we’re under a dictatorship..
Chavez has nothing to offer to the cause other than manipulation..

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2007, 12:54:27 pm »
Check this out:





These are Chavez's boys shooting at the protestors
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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2007, 01:00:08 pm »
Wait, are you saying Mr. Glover shouldn't take the money to make his dream film on Toussaint Louverture?  Do you think he should wait for some "clean" money to come along?  (I wonder how long he has been looking for funding.)

Besides, when did Hugo Chavez get promoted to the devil and how is making a film in Venezuela some kind of sin?  I don't understand your negative moral judgment of Mr. Glover here.  Am I missing something?


First of all I live in Venezuela.. I'm a first line witness of Chavez dictatorlike behavior... And yes I think, Mr. Glover should wait for "clean" money to come along.. You can't tell the story of a man who fought slavery and oppression with money from an oppressor..
Well, I respectfully submit that Mr. Glover would likely be waiting for hell to freeze over a long time.  (And you almost never know really how clean money is but that's an aside.)  I understand you view Mr. Chavez as an oppressor but that's not exactly a finding of fact nor does your assertion follow, IMHO.  I see no reason Mr. Glover can't make his film.  Distribution might be a challenge, but again, that's beside the point.

If you're unaware Hugo Chavez signed an agreement of military cooperation with Iran.. And he has even denied the Holocaust.. If that isn't enough he recently took off the air the most important TV Chanel of the country just because they were reporting the corruption within Chavez government.. He has dedicated himself to create hate and division among the people of Venezuela..
Wasn't Mr. Chavez elected?  Again, I understand your frustration; we elected Mr. Bush twice (well, sort of).  When does his term end (Mr. Chavez, that is)?  In the meantime, he is the head of state.  That is to say, I still don't understand your moral judgment of Mr. Glover.  How is he wrong here?

Let me add that I don't mean to dismiss the issues at work in Venezuela or to deny your first-hand experience there, Francisco.  I don't doubt what you say.  I wonder what you feel is the responsibility of an artist such as Mr. Glover regarding the internal politics of your country.  I imagine Mr. Chavez has his supporters as well as his detractors. 
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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2007, 01:45:08 pm »


Of course he was elected by the people but so was Hitler and so was Saddam (this guy even the 100% of votes)..
The fact is that he is using the ignorance of the people to create resentment and confrontation between the Venezuelans..
Mr. Glover is an activist for the civil rights movement and a well known human right's defender.. Him taking money from Chavez is a slap in the face of everything he has stood for.. He is like those white students from Europe who come here to see everything from the comfort of their hotel rooms and speech halls.. They never walk to the streets and talk to the average people.. They only interact with Chavez as kissers. Then they go back to Europe claiming that in Venezuela everything is cool and Chavez is a real revolutionary..

The picture above is that of Venezuela students protesting.. They aren't rich spoiled boys like Chavez and his lackeys are saying.. They are normal kids whose parents make a great sacrifice so they can go to school..

Chavez won the election by extreme manipulations of the system.. Just for you to have an idea of how extremely biased the election was in favor of Chavez, it is enough to say that the president of the National Electoral Counsil (the organism in charge of prepping the elections) is now the vice-president of Venezuela (designed by Chavez himself).. What do you think of that?





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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2007, 01:48:56 am »
If you're unaware Hugo Chavez signed an agreement of military cooperation with Iran.. And he has even denied the Holocaust..
Can you post a link? Not that I'm doubting your sincerity, but I just didn't come across that when I was looking for information about his link with Iran, and I'd like more details (quotes would be ideal).
If that isn't enough he recently took off the air the most important TV Chanel of the country just because they were reporting the corruption within Chavez government.. He has dedicated himself to create hate and division among the people of Venezuela..
I know about the TV station (hadn't he said in his election campaign that one of the things he'd do was shut it down?), and it's never right to silence opposing voices, but what is the hate and division he's spreading?
Chavez won the election by extreme manipulations of the system.. Just for you to have an idea of how extremely biased the election was in favor of Chavez, it is enough to say that the president of the National Electoral Counsil (the organism in charge of prepping the elections) is now the vice-president of Venezuela (designed by Chavez himself).. What do you think of that?
Is that each of the 2 or 3 elections that he's won? The last one was overseen by international observers, and they declared it fair, although the implication of nepotism / back-scratching is a blotch. UK journalists in Venezuela have said that it seems there is a huge divide in support for Chavez, with a overwhwelming working class / poverty-level support, and huge upper and middle-class opposition.

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Re: Danny Glover makes a pact with the devil for 18$ million
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2007, 04:02:25 am »

First of all I live in Venezuela.. I'm a first line witness of Chavez dictatorlike behavior... And yes I think, Mr. Glover should wait for "clean" money to come along.. You can't tell the story of a man who fought slavery and oppression with money from an oppressor..

If you're unaware Hugo Chavez signed an agreement of military cooperation with Iran.. And he has even denied the Holocaust.. If that isn't enough he recently took off the air the most important TV Chanel of the country just because they were reporting the corruption within Chavez government.. He has dedicated himself to create hate and division among the people of Venezuela..

I'm so glad to have someone in the country talking about these issues.  Thank you for bringing them to the board.

Where in Venezuela do you live, and what is your occupation?  The socio-economic issues appear (from the outside) to dictate alot of the political opinions among those in the country.

There was a fascinating debate on DemocracyNow last night about the recent student protests in Caracas.  Were you a part of the protests?  Did the protestors throw bricks at the police?  How many were arrested in the riot suppression?  Has Chavez suspended habeus corpus and the right to a fair trial for political dissidents?

Why was this particular tv channel the most important?  Has he replaced it with a state run station?  Are there no other news outlets -- if there are, are only the private stations that support his government allowed to continue?

What is the deal with the 2002 military uprising?  Why is the term "coup" controversial?

Finally, on "clean" money, one might wait multiple generations trying to find such a thing.
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