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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2008, 06:57:35 am »
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?

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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2008, 09:50:51 am »
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Six million and the Skrulls invaded with an army 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Wakanda? That means Skrulls invaded with an army of 12 to 16 million people?

Hmm, here is a a question, how does a nation divided by tribal differences stand strong?  I see Doom helping some of these tribes to rebel. 

As far as economy-a isolationist nation that won't share the cure for cancer, probably wouldn't sell just a limited and damgerous resource to make money.

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2008, 11:11:45 am »
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Six million and the Skrulls invaded with an army 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Wakanda? That means Skrulls invaded with an army of 12 to 16 million people?

Hmm, here is a a question, how does a nation divided by tribal differences stand strong?  I see Doom helping some of these tribes to rebel.

As far as economy-a isolationist nation that won't share the cure for cancer, probably wouldn't sell just a limited and damgerous resource to make money.

Yeah I thought of that. That's why I later amended what I wrote to this :

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Well, you're right about that. It's not like the outside world would have had any use for Vibrainum at all until the atomic age.

On further thought, there's a real simple explanation for the source of the Wakandans' weath.

Check out that goofy old map of Wakanda and notice that KING SOLOMON'S MINES are within a two days march of Wakanda.

They've (the Wakandans) been very likely rolling in gold (and/or diamonds) for centuries. This would also be the other reason for the constant aggresion from the outside world. They were seeking the mines.

They'd probably trade the gold thru proxies (servants of the king) to the outside world who would have no idea where the gold really came from. Occasionally somebody'd get greedy and Black Panther'd have smack up a fool, but otherwise the system's workable.

As far as Population goes: Even if the 6 million number is official, it still makes no sense. here's just one of the reasons why. The Wakandan/Skrull war was depicted as a short but bloody confrontation. A war involving millions on either side would have gong on as long as a major world war and wreaked havoc across the continent. Even if the combatants were only limited to primitive weaponry the blowback would be hellish.

As for the unity issue: the Wakandans are probably united only in their Xenophobia. The tribes may dislike each other but they HATE the outside world even worse.  It's the reason why T'Challa has so much trouble with insurrectionists like Achebe, Killmonger, Man-Ape and Solomon Prey. They are probably a good amount of Wankandans who are rooting for those guys.
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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2008, 07:11:27 pm »
If I remember correctly, the actual Wakandans number in the low thousands and worship the Panther God (mostly).

They rule a number of smaller tribes like the Hill and Marsh people who are anti-modernity. Those are the guys you see in the huts still rocking loincloths. I know there's also a tribe of Fisher-people too.

Killmonger's N'jdaka village  I guess would be the second largest city in Wakanda next to the capital itself.

The tribes don't get along at all which is the reason for the Dora Miliage. To appease the two biggest tribes with access to the king as a ceremonial wife/bodyguard. 

Population- I'd guess to be around 80,000 total, all tribes included (Ross has said that Wankanda was roughly the size of New Jersey, but I'd think its about the size of Newark actually.

Religion-We only know of two the State sponsored Black Panther cult and the outlawed White Gorilla cult. There was also a Lion God but that cult seems to have few adhereants.

Education and Health Care would be provided by the State, but you would have to travel to the Capital to receive university level education or hospitalization.

Economy-The Wakandans have made themselves rich by controlled trading in Vibrainium. Internally, the various tribes trade with each other and the Capital. Hill and Marshfolk for example, trading in herbs and fish respectively. I'd also have to say that Wakanda seems to run on some kind of enlightend version of Socialism.
 
Culture-Xenophobic. Only members of the Royal Family (T'challa, Shuri and that race car driver guy from the Black Musketeers) seem to have travelled abroad.  Other than Wankanda's international responsiblities (U.N. Ambassadors, SHEILD Agents) or scientific ones, the average Wakandan knows little of the outside world and cares even less.

In terms of population the marvel atlas says that wakanda has a population of 6,000,000.

Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?

Good point.

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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2008, 07:34:32 pm »
Y'know I've GOT the Marvel Atlas but I barely look at it. Damn tiny ass typeface. If there are THAT many Wakandans how'd they stay "hidden" for so long?

Good point.

Yes, it wouldn't have been very realistic for them to have been "hidden", which is why Hudlin's retcon of Wakanda's history makes more sense. People knew about them, but just left them alone, because they were so bad@$$ that they defeated everyone who ever tried to attack them. And that's how they were able to have time to develop their advanced technology over the centuries.

But we haven't seen enough of Hudlin's take on Wakanda's everyday culture and lifestyle to know how much of the rest of that old history from the Atlas still applies. We don't know if those various tribal rivalries still exists, though we @ least know that Man-Ape's tribe is still around and, apparently, has some anger towards T'Challa. Nor do we know if there is still a city named after Killmonger, which was depicted as full of Western businesses like Starbucks and McDonalds, but it seems unlikely if this version of Wakanda has been so isolationist. It was mentioned during the wedding storyline that this was the first time they even had to build hotels, to take care of all the guests from the rest of the world.
So there's still alot to be explored in this book. Hopefully Hudlin will examine this in future storylines.
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2008, 11:10:27 am »
I was looking again at Marvel.com's history of BP,and Lordy have they done a good job--better than I expected, and honestly I didn't expect much of them--of integrating RH BP with PRIEST BP. Apparently Hunter is still part of RH BP,and so is the entire PRIEST cast and crew. RH simply hasn't featured them to date in his BP, although to me the appearance of RH BP in the PRIEST ERA BP abbot and the Kimoyo Card in RH BP CW foreshadowed and underwrote these changes. Then the Wakandan Hatut Zeraze in YOST's Storm mini simply underscored the fact that RH BP is fully aligned with PRIEST BP.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2013, 02:56:51 pm »
just bumping cuz it is amazing this thread was still on the first page of the folder... :-)
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« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2013, 05:18:38 pm »

How has Wakanda changed since Priest revitalized it?

It seems like a much more complicated place over the last 5-6 years.
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« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2014, 02:05:08 pm »
I will get into this later this week...
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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2014, 06:33:26 am »
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.

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« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2014, 07:46:48 am »
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.

Yeah, this is just one more of the (many) reasons why I figure the less of Wakanda we actually see the better.

There isn't any way around the old "They let thier fellow Africans starve and worse" charge.
Since "Why should we help people who've tried to take our #$%^ by force?" doesn't really work for most.

Just let Wakanda be Black Panther's personal Atlantis that he returns to only infrequently.

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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2014, 08:19:40 am »
Yikes, Hickman opened a can of worms after this recent issue of New Avengers.  It was something I had always suspected to be true about Wakanda's relationship with other countries, but seeing it in that light, and seeing what the story was justifying, was pretty shocking.

???????? what's the revelation?
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« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2014, 04:58:09 pm »
I think that there is a perfectly good reason for Wakanda's actions visavis the rest of Africa...in fact? Several good reasons.

And I think that RH made a very good argument for almost all of them during his tenure.

Fact is? A lot of us are starting way too late in Wakanda's history and bringing up questions as if the previous history wasn't of the first importance regarding understanding what is happening in Wakanda and why it's happening in Wakanda the way it's happening in Wakanda.

Wakanda has been undefeated for 10,000 years. That literally takes us back to the Upper Paleothic period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_millennium_BC

Wakanda has been at the forefront of civilized development in the MU even back then, and was/is unquestionably the pinnacle civilization in every regard, insofar as humans are concerned.

Why is that important? Because it puts Wakanda in the sights of a wide variety of Marvel beings that were interested in Earth for various reasons at that time:

All of the legendary Gods from all the pantheons [ Egyptian/African being paramount, because no other human civilization worthy of the name was in existence in 8000 BC ].

The Kree...who were on a station located in Uranus due to the ramifications of the Kree-Skrull Wars. The Kree were drawn to Earth due to curiosity regarding the actions of The Celestials the genetic potential invested in its populace by The Celestials. They initiated the process...millions of years ago...that would result in The Inhumans. And as time would show? The Kree kept an eye on humanity ever since...

There are The Inhumans themselves, and both their treatment of The Unspoken..the first great king of The Inhumans who Black Bolt in his youthful rashness overthrew...and their creation of The Slave Engine, which The Unspoken decided to never use. Even against the encroaching hordes of humanity; a distinctly like humane but highly unpopular secret decision of The Unspoken's reign which ignited the successful revolt and coup of Black Bolt. [ We know that The Wakandans would be watching this with great interest and suspicion ].

And a lot more...


...so what would stop the crafty Wakandans from playing the long game of building themselves up to defeat each and every one of these extrahuman definite/probable/possible threats, and deciding that humanity's best chance lay in themselves? Not much. And that would be very characteristic of The Wakandans.

The Original Sin of Wakanda might be that she surreptitiously from behind the scenes encouraged the tech growth and warfare skills of humanity only to see it spike to the point that humanity might be able to fight off these extraterrestrial powers...and wreak havoc upon itself. That might also add some serious layers to Wakanda's unwillingness to go further than it already has when the slave trade and other things like The Bubonic Plague came about.
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« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2014, 04:36:14 pm »

What would T'Challa do in response to #ICantBreathe?
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